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RE: Distracted Driving or Distracted Policymaking? - 12/26/2011 3:09:10 PM   
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RE: Distracted Driving or Distracted Policymaking? - 12/26/2011 3:20:56 PM   
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Rightists are unable to drive, not having enough fact and backround to pass the driving test.

Well, so-called righties wank with both hands so they'll still be able to do that while driving provided of course someone slapped a pic and forged a license to get them on the road in the first place.

This could however 'chill' their self-heat so may they have to live life...juuust a little hornier.

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RE: Distracted Driving or Distracted Policymaking? - 12/26/2011 3:26:12 PM   
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I most certainly didnt misunderstand, I went to the SOURCE Of your opinion piece
and fount the opinion piece and your opinion to be misleading and wrong, so I ponited it out for everyone so they could actually understand what was decided by the NTSB not third hand bad information


That's his MO, search the net for anything he tries to twist into his partisan or anti-govt. swill.

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RE: Distracted Driving or Distracted Policymaking? - 12/26/2011 3:28:28 PM   
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RE: Distracted Driving or Distracted Policymaking? - 12/26/2011 4:05:06 PM   
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The Popular Mechanics article wasnt at all misleading Lucy, sorry. Had they intended to mislead you they wouldnt have included the link that you used to get to the report that you copied and pasted

And the reason I used the "another step towards" wording was because it was abundantly clear that there isnt as of yet a bureaucratic dictate against chewing gum while driving, at last to posters of average intelligence

The point is that there are fat assed bureaucrats in Washington being paid to think tank their way into controlling your life

Well, not your life, youre not a citizen are you

Thing is, these dictates start out as "suggestions" then they work their way into blackmailed demands, with the feds withholding taxpayer monies (which was taken from the states to begin with) if said bureaucratic demands arent met

They did it with speed limits, for example, and there are countless other examples

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I most certainly didnt misunderstand, I went to the SOURCE Of your opinion piece
and fount the opinion piece and your opinion to be misleading and wrong, so I ponited it out for everyone so they could actually understand what was decided by the NTSB not third hand bad information



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RE: Distracted Driving or Distracted Policymaking? - 12/26/2011 4:06:59 PM   
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Try to keep it focused on the topic please

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I most certainly didnt misunderstand, I went to the SOURCE Of your opinion piece
and fount the opinion piece and your opinion to be misleading and wrong, so I ponited it out for everyone so they could actually understand what was decided by the NTSB not third hand bad information


That's his MO, search the net for anything he tries to twist into his partisan or anti-govt. swill.


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RE: Distracted Driving or Distracted Policymaking? - 12/26/2011 4:11:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		What is the topic?   Everybody is ignoring the drivers training and the rules they agreed to abide by to get a drivers license?

Yeah, fuck em. 

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RE: Distracted Driving or Distracted Policymaking? - 12/26/2011 4:12:45 PM   
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Sanity said
Its my opinion that Washington should be given the least amount of money and power possible.

I find you excessively generous to those who never heard nor understood the term fiduciary responsibility


and I find you ridiculously generous to those trustees charged with protecting constitutional rights


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RE: Distracted Driving or Distracted Policymaking? - 12/26/2011 4:14:56 PM   
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What is the topic?   Everybody is ignoring the drivers training and the rules they agreed to abide by to get a drivers license?

Yeah, fuck em. 


like it or not "driver" is a professional occupation AS DEFINED IN FEDERAL LAW.  travel is a right requires no license and of anything requires MORE responsibility on the road.

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RE: Distracted Driving or Distracted Policymaking? - 12/26/2011 4:17:24 PM   
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RE: Distracted Driving or Distracted Policymaking? - 12/26/2011 4:18:59 PM   
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Here is one for you kiddies.

contract law, if the state is a controlling party to your driving privilege then they are party to anything you do wrong on the road.

and of course its cases like this that brew corruption in the courts, cant give up that revenue


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RE: Distracted Driving or Distracted Policymaking? - 12/26/2011 4:20:46 PM   
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Yeah, argue canuck law when that comes up.  Not here on this topic.


forget it with that bullshit.  I just read a rather large and interesting law review regarding substantive and procedural common law in the federal courts.  Peeps are starting to wake up and claim their rights.


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RE: Distracted Driving or Distracted Policymaking? - 12/26/2011 4:24:56 PM   
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Its my opinion that Washington should be given the least amount of money and power possible




start with the states, after all THEY are the federal gubafia and you have NO sya so in that they do now do ya?  But then thats SOP in a self governing free society.

Hell your power to govern by vote doesnt even make it out of the county when it comes to taxes!  Look up section 8 of the articles of confederation, 1-8,9 and 16 in the con, you have no vote with regard to taxes and its no different with maybe exception to 1 or 2 states than it was in jolly old angland.




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RE: Distracted Driving or Distracted Policymaking? - 12/26/2011 4:27:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, whatever......it aint like you can post it and it will be anything to do with anything.

And show me the fuckin law from say, Cornell or or the .gov. it ain't on the books.  Don't show an opinion slice from some civil war ruling that really hasn't anything to do with the question at its core and isnt law but an arrival at an opinion.   And the contract thing is also wrong. no vicarious liability, because those actions are fucking prohibited by the state as conditions of licensure,  not encouraged or demanded.

Read some more. 

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RE: Distracted Driving or Distracted Policymaking? - 12/26/2011 4:32:52 PM   
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Yeah, whatever......it aint like you can post it and it will be anything to do with anything.

And show me the fuckin law from say, Cornell or or the .gov. it ain't on the books.  Don't show an opinion slice from some civil war ruling that really hasn't anything to do with the question at its core and isnt law but an arrival at an opinion.   And the contract thing is also wrong. no vicarious liability, because those actions are fucking prohibited by the state as conditions of licensure,  not encouraged or demanded.

Read some more. 


look up by-law----that is what any state is.

then compare it any other for profit corporation.

everything has an origin, you cant understand what is happening now if you have no clue how it came to be.

Over time I posted several supreme court cases that have never been over ruled supporting my positions.  Should consider saving them because I do not continually post them because you do not bother to read them.




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RE: Distracted Driving or Distracted Policymaking? - 12/26/2011 4:35:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		By-laws are not the topic.  Corporations infesting government and the converse are not the topic.  Old supreme court decisions having not a fucking thing to do with state issued drivers licenses (since they had no interstates or cars or ipods in the civil war) are by definition not the topic.


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RE: Distracted Driving or Distracted Policymaking? - 12/26/2011 4:43:54 PM   
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Espousing controls is a step, not the end product. The feds consistently impose various demands on the states, this example here is just one small point in the overall debate


First, this is no demand, it is a ...

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RECOMMENDATIONS

As a result of its investigation of this accident, the National Transportation Safety Board makes the following recommendations.


Second... its best to go to the web site...

In 1967, Congress consolidated all transportation agencies into a new U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) and established the NTSB as an independent agency placed within the DOT for administrative purposes. In creating the NTSB, Congress envisioned that a single organization with a clearly defined mission could more effectively promote a higher level of safety in the transportation system than the individual modal agencies working separately. Since 1967, the NTSB has investigated accidents in the aviation, highway, marine, pipeline, and railroad modes, as well as accidents related to the transportation of hazardous materials.

In 1974, Congress reestablished the NTSB as a completely separate entity, outside the DOT, reasoning that "...No federal agency can properly perform such (investigatory) functions unless it is totally separate and independent from any other ... agency of the United States." Because the DOT has broad operational and regulatory responsibilities that affect the safety, adequacy, and efficiency of the transportation system, and transportation accidents may suggest deficiencies in that system, the NTSB's independence was deemed necessary for proper oversight. The NTSB, which has no authority to regulate, fund, or be directly involved in the operation of any mode of transportation, conducts investigations and makes recommendations from an objective viewpoint.

To date, the NTSB has issued over 13,000 safety recommendations to more than 2,500 recipients. Because the NTSB has no formal authority to regulate the transportation industry, our effectiveness depends on our reputation for conducting thorough, accurate, and independent investigations and for producing timely, well-considered recommendations to enhance transportation safety.

http://www.ntsb.gov/about/history.html

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Bureaucrats working for the federal government are taking another step towards controlling every aspect of our lives by moving towards a nationwide ban on "distracted driving" based on one particular accident


What steps? Recommendations which they are charged to make? Recommendations which they cannot enforce? They cant even force the federal government transportation system to do anything...

ALL they can do is recommend.


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RE: Distracted Driving or Distracted Policymaking? - 12/26/2011 4:54:31 PM   
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By-laws are not the topic.  Corporations infesting government and the converse are not the topic.  Old supreme court decisions having not a fucking thing to do with state issued drivers licenses (since they had no interstates or cars or ipods in the civil war) are by definition not the topic.



they had alcohol cocaine morphine et al and loose women


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RE: Distracted Driving or Distracted Policymaking? - 12/26/2011 4:56:25 PM   
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< Message edited by Lucylastic -- 12/26/2011 4:59:42 PM >

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RE: Distracted Driving or Distracted Policymaking? - 12/26/2011 4:58:24 PM   
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