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tazzygirl -> US missile sale (12/30/2011 11:01:04 PM)
The United States has reached a deal to sell $3.48 billion worth of missiles and related technology to its close Mideast ally, the United Arab Emirates. Wary of Iran, the U.S. has been building up missile defenses of its allies, including a $1.7 billion deal to upgrade Saudi Arabia's Patriot missiles and the sale of 209 Patriot missiles to Kuwait, valued at about $900 million. Question... how much of this money will actually end up in the US coffers?

erieangel -> RE: US missile sale (12/31/2011 2:20:03 AM)
Just a wild guess, but I think most of it goes into the coffers of the military contractors who build the missiles.

Termyn8or -> RE: US missile sale (12/31/2011 3:37:45 AM)
Well it wouldn't be THAT money. That is "different" money. They way it works is simple, the taxpayers pay the contractors, Arabia "pays" the US government and the money just goes away. They spend every dollar they can print, what do you think they will do with proceeds from the actual sale of our leading export ? It's not so much that the money would disappear into thin air, it's just that they would spend it on something - officially that is. The money was actually spent years ago. But they would spenf it again, probably on something more useful, like defense against a popular uprising - in the US. T^T

DarkSteven -> RE: US missile sale (12/31/2011 4:04:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or Well it wouldn't be THAT money. That is "different" money. They way it works is simple, the taxpayers pay the contractors, Arabia "pays" the US government and the money just goes away. They spend every dollar they can print, what do you think they will do with proceeds from the actual sale of our leading export ? It's not so much that the money would disappear into thin air, it's just that they would spend it on something - officially that is. The money was actually spent years ago. But they would spenf it again, probably on something more useful, like defense against a popular uprising - in the US. T^T Um, no. It was a SALE, not a giveaway. quote: ORIGINAL: erieangel Just a wild guess, but I think most of it goes into the coffers of the military contractors who build the missiles. I would expect all of it to go there, minus any kickbacks to the ruling family. Ignoring the military and political effects and treating this as a pure economic issue, it's nothing more than an export. Americans do work and money is pumped into the national economy. It goes directly to the defense contractor that builds the missiles, and it is spent on Employee and contractor salaries Raw materials used on the missiles Increase in company value or else dividends (i.e., the stockholders benefit)

Termyn8or -> RE: US missile sale (12/31/2011 4:27:40 AM)
"Um, no. It was a SALE, not a giveaway" Sure it was. It's just that the benefits are mostly going to the golden hammer people. For the peons of the country, about a hundred people get a few forty hour weeks and the shareholders get about two bucks. And the royals need those kickbacks for bribes, errrr lobbyists. T^T

tazzygirl -> RE: US missile sale (12/31/2011 8:32:25 AM)
Yeah, you answered the way I feared you would.. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/lockheed-martin-profit-up-19-as-tax-rate-falls-2011-01-27

Owner59 -> RE: US missile sale (12/31/2011 9:13:39 AM)
Fighter jets too. It must be nice having fighter jet money.[8\|]

ashjor911 -> RE: US missile sale (12/31/2011 12:34:49 PM)
this deal was made after 29.4 Biloin dollar deal with KSA for 84 new F-15 SA & repairing 70 owned by KSA

TheHeretic -> RE: US missile sale (12/31/2011 1:02:58 PM)
So we are keeping Americans who make things employed. This is a problem? I doubt we'll be selling many Chevy Volts over there, y'know?

mnottertail -> RE: US missile sale (12/31/2011 2:21:56 PM)
I do hope we aint passing out Vegas brochures to these assholes.

tazzygirl -> RE: US missile sale (12/31/2011 2:51:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic So we are keeping Americans who make things employed. This is a problem? I doubt we'll be selling many Chevy Volts over there, y'know? As soon as I see jobs added, I will be thrilled Rich. At this point, the company just got one hell of a Christmas bonus with a reduction in taxes and a nice, shiny pot of gold in these deals.

TheHeretic -> RE: US missile sale (12/31/2011 3:05:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl As soon as I see jobs added, I will be thrilled Rich. At this point, the company just got one hell of a Christmas bonus with a reduction in taxes and a nice, shiny pot of gold in these deals. It will work out better than than what I was just reading in my local paper. It seems that one of our huge local solar projects, with $3 billion in government funding for the company, just laid off half the workforce yesterday afternoon. This one could make Solyndra look like small potatoes.

Musicmystery -> RE: US missile sale (12/31/2011 3:08:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic So we are keeping Americans who make things employed. This is a problem? I doubt we'll be selling many Chevy Volts over there, y'know? It's a problem, just nothing new. We're the largest arms dealer in the world, and have been for decades.

TheHeretic -> RE: US missile sale (12/31/2011 3:19:12 PM)
Why do you see it as a problem, Muse? High dollar shit, our own designs and technologies, and manufacturing that cannot be outsourced, or shipped off to China, and that's before we get to the upgrades and service contracts. You'll excuse me if I don't give a rat's ass about the peacenik sensibilities that get ruffled by the very notion of guns.

Sanity -> RE: US missile sale (12/31/2011 3:22:23 PM)
Did you think the slogan "change you can believe in" meant that Obama would be the biggest arms dealer in the world Do you think thats why the Nobel committee preemptively gifted him with the "peace prize" Or do you think (more likely) that he was a totally naive fuck on the campaign trail, and that he only became a huge fucking neocon pig (or whatever they call him among the hippy communes) when his eyes were opened by seeing the inside story behind current world events quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic So we are keeping Americans who make things employed. This is a problem? I doubt we'll be selling many Chevy Volts over there, y'know? It's a problem, just nothing new. We're the largest arms dealer in the world, and have been for decades.

Owner59 -> RE: US missile sale (12/31/2011 3:27:15 PM)
Didn`t you know? We were talking regime change. What kind of change did you think we meant? I guess this is the 1st time you heard that the US was the world`s biggest seller of arms.......not surprising.

Musicmystery -> RE: US missile sale (12/31/2011 3:29:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Why do you see it as a problem, Muse? High dollar shit, our own designs and technologies, and manufacturing that cannot be outsourced, or shipped off to China, and that's before we get to the upgrades and service contracts. You'll excuse me if I don't give a rat's ass about the peacenik sensibilities that get ruffled by the very notion of guns. I think it's not as simple as that.

DarkSteven -> RE: US missile sale (12/31/2011 3:33:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic So we are keeping Americans who make things employed. This is a problem? Rich, I just wanted to add a clarification for everyone's sake. This is money flowing INTO the US economy. Had the exact same purchase been made by the US DoD, we would have had to pay for it. Essentially, this is like a stimulus that does NOT add to our debt.

Sanity -> RE: US missile sale (12/31/2011 3:33:48 PM)
Obamas arms deals to the Mexican drug lords alone (under operation "Fast & Furious) has to have increased our standing in that trade considerably quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Didn`t you know? We were talking regime change. What kind of change did you think we meant? I guess this is the 1st time you heard that the US was the world`s biggest seller of arms.......not surprising.

Owner59 -> RE: US missile sale (12/31/2011 3:35:12 PM)
Sure sure sure.......[sm=cactus.gif]

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