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seababy -> Submissive personality traits - rescue me from my lack of life skills? (1/2/2012 10:36:20 PM)



What triggered this post -

1. I noticed a Dominant posted on another thread the comment that someone's actions indicated that they were submissive in nature followed by a sentence stating that they had no good sense/conscience at all. Overall my interpretation was "your life is in disorder which is a dead give away submissive trait."
( I may have my interpretation incorrect on this comment as there was a typo in the sentence that made the meaning slightly unclear.)

2. My previous experience when I was looking for a Dom; The few that showed interest spoke to me as if I was a special needs child.
This was despite the fact that I had a successfull well paid career, was fit, and had an ordered healthy life with loving relationships with family and friends. Some I spoke to had dead end jobs or were unemployed, unfit, and seemed socially isolated. Despite this they had no feelings of disconnect in their confidence to competently take over directing my life as they saw fit.


  • So how many Dominants think that a person who identifies as submissive is a submissive because they lack something essential needed to be considered a healthy functional adult?
  • Is my experience relatively isolated?
  • Is there a higher percentage of people lacking lifeskills who identify as submissives compared to the general population that lack life skills?
  • Is there just as many Doms without lifeskills and the only difference being that a submissive may be alot more likely to admnit it than a dominant personality type?
  • Is this all bollocks and I just managed to interact with the spectacularly clueless? (I must admit I went about looking in just the right way to attract HNGs. I've learnt since then.)

Subs/switches in particular, I would be really interested in your own view/experiences.


Cheers Sea


















littlewonder -> RE: Submissive personality traits - rescue me from my lack of life skills? (1/2/2012 10:41:51 PM)

I'm a submissive personality...it just simply means I'm the type who does not like to lead in anything at all in life, I don't like confrontation at all, I'm always the one who is the wallflower in the crowd and the one who sits back while everyone else does the talking or doing.

I do what I have to do in life though because I have to to survive. I am in no way special needs and believe it or not my life is in very good order, actually better than most people I know. I have no real worries or stresses in life, bills are paid, a loving man in my life, a daughter doing well in life, a place that I love living. What else could I possibly ask for?

I think those people who think submissive equals stupid or slow or whatever are the type who really has no clue about much of anything at all.





slaverachel2Him -> RE: Submissive personality traits - rescue me from my lack of life skills? (1/2/2012 11:22:14 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: littlewonder

I'm a submissive personality...it just simply means I'm the type who does not like to lead in anything at all in life, I don't like confrontation at all, I'm always the one who is the wallflower in the crowd and the one who sits back while everyone else does the talking or doing.

I do what I have to do in life though because I have to to survive. I am in no way special needs and believe it or not my life is in very good order, actually better than most people I know. I have no real worries or stresses in life, bills are paid, a loving man in my life, a daughter doing well in life, a place that I love living. What else could I possibly ask for?

I think those people who think submissive equals stupid or slow or whatever are the type who really has no clue about much of anything at all.



i agree with that. As long as i work, i keep my verbals lubed but when i am off work for a while it takes a long time to get back up to speed with conversation etc. i used to think i had to be the CEO or something and would almost get there, and then i'd sabotage it by "losing interest". i was raised to think submissive was bad- assertive/aggressive was good. So i would study and strive and achieve- then walk away at the pinnacle. i modeled myself on the aggressive people around me to learn how they did it and then do it. Then exit. People would be WTF? i would be relieved. i could never figure out WHY until i realized i was naturally submissive and i was going against my orientation. Once i saw that- no more problems.

As an intelligent person, if something happened to your husband you would probably adjust and develop a facsimile dominant front to survive- but you would also probably feel "off" while in that skin and welcome the op to throw it off.

People are often judged on verbals skill in the US and most of Western Europe. This is not true in all cultures, but it is in ours. It really reflects little to nothing about the real intelligence of anyone. Actually keeps you from foot in mouth disease! LOL

i know doctors who are slaves, MANY lawyers who are slaves both make and female, nurses, several mensa members, a couple of university professors- no being a submissive is not a slow or stupid thing. For some- it is crazy like a fox. For me- hotter than hell. LOL i know one lady who became her husband's slave to prove she was stronger than Him and believe me He is incredibly sadistic. She is incredibly resilient. Her point is He couldn't take what He dishes out- and He dishes out heavy duty stuff like the "Wooden Pony" electrified with more i won't go into but it includes water sports with it.




Snort -> RE: Submissive personality traits - rescue me from my lack of life skills? (1/2/2012 11:26:22 PM)

Ok, I'm not a sub or a female, and I'll probably get crucified for this, but...

Back when I was much more interested in the community (back when the lifestyle wasn't quite as cool as it is today), I remember being surprised by the number of people who broke the stereotype:

- Many sub men had high power jobs, had their lives together, and were looking for release.
- Sub women were often highly competent, just preferring a supporting role or a bedroom role.
- Some Doms were actually kinda likely to seek power to make up for a lack of it in life. It was role play for the ego...
- Dommes... Well, a lot were subs or vanillas who were accommodating a partner or who discovered they could make a living as a domme. Not fakes by any means, but...

I think my experience with lots of real people back then is still echoed in CM's perpetual "fake" threads complaining about, well, everyone, even if you discount the scammers.

My conclusion: yes, there are men who look at women as a subspecies to be used and eventually discarded. And there are women who are attracted to misogynists. Yet there are also those who use BDSM to delve into deeper understanding and (oh noes!) love and commitment. And everything in between.

So, yeah, your post doesn't surprise me.




thursdays -> RE: Submissive personality traits - rescue me from my lack of life skills? (1/2/2012 11:53:06 PM)

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crazyml -> RE: Submissive personality traits - rescue me from my lack of life skills? (1/2/2012 11:58:53 PM)

  • So how many Dominants think that a person who identifies as submissive is a submissive because they lack something essential needed to be considered a healthy functional adult?


I've seen plenty of Dominants that take this view. I don't think they're a majority, but I'm sure that BDSM attracts a little more than its fair share of Dominants that view a submissive as something "less". My personal view is that if a person is the kind of "Dominant" that takes this view then then the "problem" is more likely to be theirs.

  • Is my experience relatively isolated?

    As someone who identifies as dominant, I can't speak from direct personal experience, but I doubt that your experience is relatively isolated.

  • Is there a higher percentage of people lacking lifeskills who identify as submissives compared to the general population that lack life skills?


I doubt it, but I'm not sure. I have definitely encountered submissives that seem to be driven to identify as submissive as a result of some lack of life skills or self-confidence. But I've also certainly encountered a goodly number of Dominants that also appear to have serious self-worth issues.

The number of times I'll read some shit written by a "big dawg alpha dom" and think to myself - "Oh bless you poppet, did your big sister make you wear panties when you were young? Were you bullied by the cheerleaders at school?"

  • Is there just as many Doms without lifeskills and the only difference being that a submissive may be alot more likely to admnit it than a dominant personality type?

    I reckon this is pretty much it.

  • Is this all bollocks and I just managed to interact with the spectacularly clueless? (I must admit I went about looking in just the right way to attract HNGs. I've learnt since then.)



I don't think it's bollocks, but sites like this really are awash with the spectacularly clueless.




MariaB -> RE: Submissive personality traits - rescue me from my lack of life skills? (1/3/2012 1:15:59 AM)

So how many Dominants think that a person who identifies as submissive is a submissive because they lack something essential needed to be considered a healthy functional adult?

I think this lifestyle can attract the co-dependent types but there are just as many co-dependent dominants as there are submissives. If you are broke, jobless and have no place to stay then this lifestyle is an option that may just get you out of a sticky mess. I also think people like the above will do well on sites like this because some dominants and submissives are desperate and some dominants would like nothing more than to interact with a vulnerable person.



Is there a higher percentage of people lacking lifeskills who identify as submissives compared to the general population that lack life skills?

I think there is a high percentage of people who are addicted to sites like this because they lack life skills but I don't believe there is an abundance of submissives that lack life skills. Most of the submissives I know have it together and are anything but needy people. I'm not going to go down the 'I know barristers and surgeons who are submissive' route because that starts to insinuate high flyers with a need to lose control. I consider someone who works as a full time cleaner is just as together as a high court judge. This isn't about academic intelligence.
I have to say that I know more bi polar dominants than submissives and that I know more employed submissives than I do dominants





kitkat105 -> RE: Submissive personality traits - rescue me from my lack of life skills? (1/3/2012 1:28:58 AM)

I think it goes both ways, like all people in life. There are unstable/disordered/erratic/etc Doms and subs, just like there are balanced/successful/independent ones. I think some people's perception of what makes a Dom or a sub too can be clouded by bias, previous experience, stereotypes and interwebz.

An example that comes to mind are the "insta-Doms" on here that because you won't webcam or go on lunch hour sex romps with them, you must be a man!!11!1!





Casteele -> RE: Submissive personality traits - rescue me from my lack of life skills? (1/3/2012 1:54:46 AM)

Asking "how many", "what percentage", et cetera, is asking for a collective answer, which would require a study and/or someone speaking for all. Instead, I'm just going to give my own individual perspectives..

quote:

ORIGINAL: seababy

So how many Dominants think that a person who identifies as submissive is a submissive because they lack something essential needed to be considered a healthy functional adult?

I have met a few submissives whom I think are more submissive due to personality disorders than because it's something truly in their heart/soul. But the majority I have met are mostly well-adjusted people, and quite a few actually hold ranking positions in their professional life. (And I am limiting my observations here to those I've met IRL. Some things are much more difficult to judge in all text here online..)

quote:


Is my experience relatively isolated?

I don't think it would be surprising if it was fairly common. Plenty of people tend to make quick judgments based on preconceived notions.

quote:


Is there a higher percentage of people lacking lifeskills who identify as submissives compared to the general population that lack life skills?

My guess would be that if someone were to tabulate, there might be a higher percentage of non-vanilla people lacking life skills. But I think the question (and answer) is misleading.. I suspect that a good many people whom lack life skills are _drawn_ to alternative lifestyles, BDSM, and kink more because those groups tend to be more accepting in general.

quote:


Is there just as many Doms without lifeskills and the only difference being that a submissive may be alot more likely to admnit it than a dominant personality type?

I don't think that being dom or sub has a significant effect, so my answer is the same as for subs, above.

quote:


Is this all bollocks and I just managed to interact with the spectacularly clueless? (I must admit I went about looking in just the right way to attract HNGs. I've learnt since then.)


Not sure what parts of your post you are referring to with "this all."




stellauk -> RE: Submissive personality traits - rescue me from my lack of life skills? (1/3/2012 2:17:46 AM)

I know we all make judgments especially when looking to bring new people into our lives but I also feel that we also need to be able to challenge our own assumptions.

I get exactly what the OP is talking about, and also come across this concept that someone who is submissive is somehow lesser, weaker, more stupid, or more open to exploitation or being used. I find a giveaway is when you have dominants talking about 'the lifestyle' as if it's a sort of game with predefined rules or some sort of kinky alternative to religion and wonder if they feel that simply by assuming the role of dominant they gain some mythical entitlement to a set of privileges over others.

But then again I feel the need to differentiate between life skills and life circumstances. There isn't always a direct relationship between the two. Some of the biggest arseholes I've come across here and met at munches and events have been models of almost perfect social acceptability (professional, good looking, with money) while there are others who have been unemployed, or struggling to cope with an illness or other issues who are pretty much together as to who they are, be it dominant or submissive.

One can get too attached to the labels, and some people do, and this is why I find in some cases they either end up with the wrong person or miss out on the right person.

Each and every one of us is an individual, we all walk our own individual path through life, and if you're looking for a relationship which is long term, I cannot understand anyone who wants to get into the D/s without having a good understanding or knowledge of the individual behind the label of dominant or submissive.

But then again, if you don't take time and make the effort to find the Dominant (or submissive) you need and want, you end up with the one who you deserve.





seababy -> RE: Submissive personality traits - rescue me from my lack of life skills? (1/3/2012 3:45:10 AM)

Stella I love your posts. 




Kana -> RE: Submissive personality traits - rescue me from my lack of life skills? (1/3/2012 5:49:10 AM)

  • So how many Dominants think that a person who identifies as submissive is a submissive because they lack something essential needed to be considered a healthy functional adult? 
  • Not this one. Submission does not mean broken, it doesn't mean she's all fucked up, it certainly doesn't mean she is incapable or incompetent-it merely means she doesn't like control in her personal life. Cripes, look at all the ER nurses who are subs. They make life altering decisions on a daily basis and often run their rooms in a manner that would make Idi Amin jealous, but then come home and want to crawl.
  • Is my experience relatively isolated? 
  • Nah, lots of wingnut HNG's tend to think along these lines. They just haven't met a real sub yet. The real ones (I'm looking at you forum gals) tend to disabuse these idiots of their ridiculousness pretty quickly (Nothing is less domly than standing in the center of a ring of jeering subs, sobbing, trying to protect your domly self while they poke at you with sharp sticks and verbally take large pieces of flesh)
  • Is there a higher percentage of people lacking lifeskills who identify as submissives compared to the general population that lack life skills?
  • I've met more than a few, but I don't think it has anything to do with submission as a whole. I've also met incredibly successful women who have been doctors, CFO's, lawyers, super organizers. I do think there are a percentage of folks drawn to the lifestyle because they don't want/can't manage their life, but no more so than any other subculture. Grins. Besides, I'm those folks worst nightmare. Sub to me and I will force you to be responsible.
  • Is there just as many Doms without lifeskills and the only difference being that a submissive may be alot more likely to admnit it than a dominant personality type? 
          At least
  • Is this all bollocks and I just managed to interact with the spectacularly clueless? (I must admit I went about looking in just the right way to attract HNGs. I've learnt since then.)
  • Ding ding-We have a winner




kalikshama -> RE: Submissive personality traits - rescue me from my lack of life skills? (1/3/2012 6:10:33 AM)

My coworkers who know I'm on collarme assume I'm a Domme.

quote:

Is this all bollocks and I just managed to interact with the spectacularly clueless? (I must admit I went about looking in just the right way to attract HNGs. I've learnt since then.)


Do share what you've learned - maybe we can add on.

I've learned that if a potential Dom's profile is blank or all kink and he does not have a profile on a vanilla date site, I'm going to find him too one dimensional for me.

If he wants nude pictures right away [:'(]




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Submissive personality traits - rescue me from my lack of life skills? (1/3/2012 6:56:06 AM)

Yeah, pretty much bollocks, Seababy.  I also think that the stereotype of the high powered male who wants to kneel at home is largely fantasy.  (Who DOESN'T want to come home from the stresses of work to relax, honestly?)

The scene attracts a lot of fantasists and a lot of dysfunctional people who want to abrogate their responsibilities, or take on responsibilities that they are not capable of.  Whatever. 

There are no rules, execpt those that we make for ourselves.  We're all feeling our way around, even those of us who have been at this for awhile.  Every new relationship is a new beginning, and the framework gets tweaked to suit.




PeonForHer -> RE: Submissive personality traits - rescue me from my lack of life skills? (1/3/2012 7:20:12 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

Yeah, pretty much bollocks, Seababy. 


My feeling too.

I think a lot of these beliefs about BDSM 'submissive types' and 'dominant types' are the result of the fact that no-one has any real clue what makes a person one way or the other. As is always the case, lack of real knowledge creates a vacuum which is filled by prejudice, quack psychology or philosophy, rehashed mysticism or even religion.




OsideGirl -> RE: Submissive personality traits - rescue me from my lack of life skills? (1/3/2012 7:37:58 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: seababy


  • So how many Dominants think that a person who identifies as submissive is a submissive because they lack something essential needed to be considered a healthy functional adult?
I certainly was approached by a lot of guys that had that thought path. They'd go on and on about how they were going to make me a better person, make me find my potential, etc. When asked how they would do that and what were their qualifications.....I was deemed "un-submissive".


quote:

  • Is my experience relatively isolated?
Nope, but it's not the entirety of my experience.


quote:

  • Is there a higher percentage of people lacking lifeskills who identify as submissives compared to the general population that lack life skills?
I actually do think there are simply because some behaviors that aren't all that acceptable in the vanilla world get accepted and rewarded by some in the BDSM D/s community. And I mean that on both sides of the kneel.

quote:

  • Is there just as many Doms without lifeskills and the only difference being that a submissive may be alot more likely to admnit it than a dominant personality type?
I actually don't think either side admits it. They hide it under other labels.

quote:

  • Is this all bollocks and I just managed to interact with the spectacularly clueless? (I must admit I went about looking in just the right way to attract HNGs. I've learnt since then.)
Nope, I just think the issue people just played the odds. Sooner or later someone's got to say "yes", right?




Missokyst -> RE: Submissive personality traits - rescue me from my lack of life skills? (1/3/2012 9:08:51 AM)

FR
Wow... what everyone up there said!
I will also comment that I have met more than a few submissives who share that view of being "a lessor person", or otherwise not capable of running their lives sucessfully. And all too many dominants who seem to want to make their partner reach their potential... usually meaning giving a spectacular BJ no matter what circumstance or time of day. Or who must control someone because they have relatively little control of their own lives.

It's pretty much like regular people stuff.




LadyHibiscus -> RE: Submissive personality traits - rescue me from my lack of life skills? (1/3/2012 9:09:57 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Missokyst

FR
Wow... what everyone up there said!
I will also comment that I have met more than a few submissives who share that view of being "a lessor person", or otherwise not capable of running their lives sucessfully. And all too many dominants who seem to want to make their partner reach their potential... usually meaning giving a spectacular BJ no matter what circumstance or time of day. Or who must control someone because they have relatively little control of their own lives.

It's pretty much like regular people stuff.


Exactly.




Epytropos -> RE: Submissive personality traits - rescue me from my lack of life skills? (1/3/2012 9:17:27 AM)

I don't fall into the in particular (as perhaps you can tell from my extensive life skills[;)]), but this is an interesting topic so I thought I'd sacrifice some of my considerable celebrity and take a series of unpopular stands on it. After all, what is life without good enemies, right?

Firstly let me make the disclaimer that I do not subscribe to the notion of so-called life skills. If we take the most "successful" (and I place that in quotations since I am using it in the traditional sense, which I do not subscribe to either) people, what will we find in common among them?

Will we find the ability to cope with pressure? I suspect we will not. Turing was prone to panic attacks, Gaius Octavius could charitably have been described as whiny and cowardly, and Churchill turned to drink when there was so much as a garbage strike.

How about people skills? You know you were thinking it. Kafka couldn't even interact with people he didn't know, Einstein survived socialization solely because he didn't believe in free will, and of course, returning to the time of that most famous of Triumvirates, Ptolemy XIV refused abjectly to speak to anyone if he could help it. We'll call that one off, then.

Financial planning? Trump has been bankrupt 14(?) times. Thomas Jefferson spent 120k on wine in a single term despite already being deep in debt. I could do this all day.

In short, life skills, as a concept, are bullshit.

That said, even with that being aptly demonstrated as only I can, we can nonetheless follow a parallel line of inquiry and ask ourselves this: Are subs inherently a personality type well-suited to deal with the world without a dom in their life? To this I can only answer 'no.' There are exceptions, as with everything, but it has been my experience that most subs function in the absence of a dominant principally through the building of walls and the support of friends and family and so forth. They are functional, but not in the same way a nilla is functional, rather more strained, as if a facsimile.

Similarly, it has been my experience that doms (and I don't mean just me, though I notice it in myself to be sure) in the absence of a submissive personality develop a kind of listless antagonism. Often there is a savior complex involved as well, though I've lost that in recent years, a need to help and support everyone. It is perhaps a more functional mindset, a more sustainable one, but no less false.

Does this mean that unattached subs (or doms for that matter) are going to necessarily have lives in shambles? Of course not. Does it mean that all subs drowning for want of rescue? Not really. Does it mean that there is going to be a correlation between fucked up lives and unattached practitioners? Quite likely

So, at the risk of falling in with the "spectacularly clueless" as I so often seem to when putting forward a carefully-considered positions, I would say that yes, there definitely is that component. A submissive is inherently someone for whom control is anathema, and it has been my experience that there are very few situations in which you will find a person who is fantastic at that which they do not and will not practice. It isn't an insult, it isn't a value judgment, a discussion of worth, it's simply an observation. As a rule, reality is rarely pleasant.

On a lighter note, I initially read your name as seanbaby and thought I had gained surprising and rather strange insight into an author. Mais, non.

ETA: This wasn't to OsideGirl in particular, I just loaded and wandered away and when I got back there were people between quick reply and I (if that makes sense).




seababy -> RE: Submissive personality traits - rescue me from my lack of life skills? (1/3/2012 9:21:46 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama

My coworkers who know I'm on collarme assume I'm a Domme.

quote:

Is this all bollocks and I just managed to interact with the spectacularly clueless? (I must admit I went about looking in just the right way to attract HNGs. I've learnt since then.)


Do share what you've learned - maybe we can add on.

I've learned that if a potential Dom's profile is blank or all kink and he does not have a profile on a vanilla date site, I'm going to find him too one dimensional for me.

If he wants nude pictures right away [:'(]


Most of what I have learnt has come from reading the forums here and mistakes I've made along the way.

For your own amusement as to my initial cluelessness I provide the following example of my complete newbness not so many years ago-

Blinding self-revelation, I'm kinky. I decide to find a bdsm interest group near where I live. I bring this up in a online bdsm chatroom which so far has been my only conatct with other kinky folk. One guy who took me under his online wing  gave me excerpts from castlerealm to read. Apparently you just can't turn up by yourself-


3. SUBMISSIVE'S ATTENDANCE AT FORMAL SOCIAL GATHERINGS.An unescorted submissive is not welcome in most formal social gatherings. If it is necessary for her/him to attend without trainer/dominant, then a protector will be appointed to oversee them during the function. A protector is one who looks after the charge in the absence of trainer or owner. A lone submissive showing up at a formal affair is pretty much like the neighbor's kids or dog showing up at your backyard cookout. It's not usually a welcome event.When a protector has been appointed, the submissive is to show them the same respect as trainer/dominant would receive. The protector is held responsible for the submissive's well-being and safety and also made accountable for any improper behavior from the submissive. It will be this protector that any other dominant must address concerning any wrong-doing on the submissive's part. Tthey are also required to report to the trainer/dominant on the charge's failures/successes.A submissive is permitted to attend informal events without a protector if the trainer has granted this privilege. The standard usually expects the submissive to be in the company of other submissives rather than attend alone.

So here I am thinking well I would like to find a kinky event in my own city, maybe a munch. But I would have to go by myself and as a
single unescorted submissive I'm not going to be welcome. So now I'm screwed, luckily this same Dominant has offered to take care of my lack of education and continued to feed me vital information such as there are many female submissives but very few dominants. So if you have a dominant interested in you your very very lucky. I shouldn't think that I can find a Domme who likes women because then my chances are even slimmer.















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