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Miserlou -> RE: Are Things Getting Better? (1/7/2012 9:43:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: Miserlou i'm a registered republican and i certainly don't hope things aren't getting better. i would never wish hardship or suffering on anybody just to gain an electoral advantage. that is despicable. RINO! [image]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SGW3Kd3G3-o/TECuWwNTooI/AAAAAAAABSg/JIwmWK-avk4/s1600/bodysnatchers1.jpg[/image] [;)] oh dear god. i laughed. thank you that was hilarious!!!

Musicmystery -> RE: Are Things Getting Better? (1/7/2012 9:53:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Miserlou quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: So you are assuming Republicans put political advantage over the good of the country and the people, Hill? It would be a fair statement to make about the leadership. and the leadership (which i prefer to call professional politicians) are not "republicans" any more than the dnc are "democrats". parties are mass movements, and the ones at the forefront in the news are simply those with the funds and ego to put themselves in the spotlight. the real republicans and democrats are the people in your office or at the lunch counter, or even in the welfare lines. its important to remember that. Those leaders, however, are the ones setting what passes for policy these days, and thus, putting a party in charge means putting those leaders into power. I'd love to see concrete evidence of your position in the form of those mass republicans throwing out their leaders if they misrepresent the party's intentions. Until then, those leaders are, de facto, the party.

TheHeretic -> RE: Are Things Getting Better? (1/7/2012 10:33:47 AM)
No tangent, Muse. I'm sure you've heard of the recent accounting gimmick to ensure the official inflation numbers stay nice and low for a little while, but I think you are also plenty smart enough to understand the inevitable consequence of simply printing up money. Now we can decry partisanship all day long, and do our level best to just ignore the whore's for their party who will shriek that the Patriot Act under Bush was Christmas for fascism, and then comment that what Obama just signed shouldn't bother anyone with nothing to hide. We are in a conflict of competing visions to promote prosperity, not a battle of good and evil between those who want to save us, and those who want to push granny off the cliff.

Sanity -> RE: Are Things Getting Better? (1/7/2012 11:22:27 AM)
Speaking of inflation, the number one driving force behind inflation is high energy costs, and Obama has stated publicly that he is in favor of extremely high energy costs Where is he at with that Canadian pipeline decision anyway. You know the one, he doesnt want to decide on it until after the election, but those evil Republicans have forced him act presidential, and make a decision like if he was a big boy

Musicmystery -> RE: Are Things Getting Better? (1/7/2012 11:41:59 AM)
quote: Speaking of inflation, the number one driving force behind inflation is high energy costs Mark your calendars, all. Sanity and I agree on something. But get used to it, folks. High fuel is here to stay, and will get worse--despite campaign rhetoric from any party.

mnottertail -> RE: Are Things Getting Better? (1/7/2012 11:44:17 AM)
hell mark em and paint them and shine them. insofar as that bit goes, you and Sanity and I all agree. (and we aint the onliest)

Sanity -> RE: Are Things Getting Better? (1/7/2012 12:15:45 PM)
Its disingenuous to an extreme for you to demand an exact quote in the words of your choosing [:D] And unfortunately for you I am not here to play silly obfuscatory games... [:)] Suffice it to say that Obama is is quoted in an interview favoring higher energy costs so that "green energy" will seem more affordable To that end he is holding up the above mentioned Canadian pipeline etc, holding up many other oil prospects, and standing in the way of coal fuels, etc etc etc I am merely stating the obvious here, deny it all you will, I will not concern myself with your insincere and hollow arguments

popeye1250 -> RE: Are Things Getting Better? (1/7/2012 12:21:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Speaking of inflation, the number one driving force behind inflation is high energy costs, and Obama has stated publicly that he is in favor of extremely high energy costs Where is he at with that Canadian pipeline decision anyway. You know the one, he doesnt want to decide on it until after the election, but those evil Republicans have forced him act presidential, and make a decision like if he was a big boy Inflation? They're surely not talking about "real inflation!" There's a few sites that give the figures for "real inflation" not what govt. tries to tell us is inflation. They factor in things like food, gasoline, clothing, insurance, you know, things that people use all the time. Government on the other hand has a....."basket" of things that they count but many of them aren't things you use everyday. I think it was 2006 or there abouts that the govt. told us that inflation was 2.4 % yet real inflation was 8.6% or something like that. I was thinking what is the govt. counting, wax candles and shoe laces? And, 200,000 "jobs?" What about the 20 million or so people who've timed out on unemployment or just stopped looking for work? If the govt. has to "tell" you that things are getting better they're not. Did they mention perhaps how many of the 200,000 jobs are high paying manufacturing jobs? Are any of them? Sanity, the left always does that, they'll quote you on two sentences out of four paragraphs to make their quote out of context with what you were saying.

Musicmystery -> RE: Are Things Getting Better? (1/7/2012 12:26:23 PM)
So use the GDP deflator, which includes everything, as your measure. The CPI "basket" does isolate what we buy everyday, including the things you mentioned. That's its purpose.

popeye1250 -> RE: Are Things Getting Better? (1/7/2012 12:47:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery So use the GDP deflator, which includes everything, as your measure. The CPI "basket" does isolate what we buy everyday, including the things you mentioned. That's its purpose. Music, if you want to trust "the govt" no-one's stopping you. Can you imagine the EPA doing a surprise inspection on your property? "Whoa, whoa, according to our charts that orchard is 20% bigger than it should be!" "Cut down those trees or you'll be heavily fined for affecting the water table!"

Musicmystery -> RE: Are Things Getting Better? (1/7/2012 1:30:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: popeye1250 quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery So use the GDP deflator, which includes everything, as your measure. The CPI "basket" does isolate what we buy everyday, including the things you mentioned. That's its purpose. Music, if you want to trust "the govt" no-one's stopping you. Can you imagine the EPA doing a surprise inspection on your property? "Whoa, whoa, according to our charts that orchard is 20% bigger than it should be!" "Cut down those trees or you'll be heavily fined for affecting the water table!" That's exactly my point--you don't have to. But you're twisting it both ways. And you're trusting whatever Internet site comes along. Smart. By the way, the State Forest Ranger was here, at my request, for free before I planted trees. Got a lot of excellent advice. I also got trees at incredibly low cost. I'm good.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Are Things Getting Better? (1/7/2012 1:49:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Its disingenuous to an extreme for you to demand an exact quote in the words of your choosing [:D] And unfortunately for you I am not here to play silly obfuscatory games... [:)] Suffice it to say that Obama is is quoted in an interview favoring higher energy costs so that "green energy" will seem more affordable To that end he is holding up the above mentioned Canadian pipeline etc, holding up many other oil prospects, and standing in the way of coal fuels, etc etc etc I am merely stating the obvious here, deny it all you will, I will not concern myself with your insincere and hollow arguments Would you mind for once in your life trying to not derail and actually comment about the fucking TOPIC?

tazzygirl -> RE: Are Things Getting Better? (1/7/2012 2:03:52 PM)
Speaking of inflation, the number one driving force behind inflation is high energy costs, and Obama has stated publicly that he is in favor of extremely high energy costs pops, how did what was posted by Master Ron... http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3986799 ... get "taken out of context?

tazzygirl -> RE: Are Things Getting Better? (1/7/2012 2:10:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Speaking of inflation, the number one driving force behind inflation is high energy costs, and Obama has stated publicly that he is in favor of extremely high energy costs Where is he at with that Canadian pipeline decision anyway. You know the one, he doesnt want to decide on it until after the election, but those evil Republicans have forced him act presidential, and make a decision like if he was a big boy "This administration's policies have been designed to drive up the cost of energy in the name of reducing pollution, in the name of making very expensive alternative fuels more economically competitive," Barbour said. http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/147087-white-house-dismisses-gov-barbour-claim-that-obama-wants-high-gas-prices Mr. Barbour cited 2008 comments from Steven Chu, now President Obama’s energy secretary, that a gradual increase in gasoline taxes could coax consumers into dumping their gas guzzlers and finding homes closer to where they work. Mr. Chu, then a Nobel Prize-winning professor, argued that higher costs per gallon could force investments in alternative fuels and spur cleaner energy sources. Mr. Obama has distanced himself from those comments, but his critics have seized on them as yet another example of Mr. Obama’s attempts to impose a European approach on the United States. Mr. Barbour said Mr. Obama’s energy team wouldn’t be happy until gas prices reached $9 a gallon. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/mar/2/barbour-obama-favors-higher-gas-prices/ Wasnt Obama who said it.

thishereboi -> RE: Are Things Getting Better? (1/7/2012 2:10:52 PM)
It did. Thanks.

Lucylastic -> RE: Are Things Getting Better? (1/7/2012 3:34:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Its disingenuous to an extreme for you to demand an exact quote in the words of your choosing [:D] And unfortunately for you I am not here to play silly obfuscatory games... [:)] Suffice it to say that Obama is is quoted in an interview favoring higher energy costs so that "green energy" will seem more affordable To that end he is holding up the above mentioned Canadian pipeline etc, holding up many other oil prospects, and standing in the way of coal fuels, etc etc etc I am merely stating the obvious here, deny it all you will, I will not concern myself with your insincere and hollow arguments its obvious that as you have not provided any proof of your statements, they cannot be considered factual, and as such is just your opinion."

MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Are Things Getting Better? (1/7/2012 4:52:48 PM)
"I'm pedging to cut the deficit we inherited IN HALF by the end of my first term in office." -- Prez O'Deficit http://nation.foxnews.com/president-obama/2011/04/14/obama-pledged-cut-deficit-half-2009-instead-he-tripled-it [sm=rofl.gif]

MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Are Things Getting Better? (1/7/2012 5:00:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Obama is quoted in an interview favoring higher energy costs so that "green energy" will seem more affordable "Under MY PLAN... of a Cap and Trade System... electricity rates would necessarily SKYROCKET." Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlTxGHn4sH4

Lucylastic -> RE: Are Things Getting Better? (1/7/2012 5:03:35 PM)
If you're measuring the deficit, Pawlenty’s right that Obama hasn't yet fulfilled his promise -- at least according to the current projections for the end of his four-year term. The annual deficit was $1.4 trillion when he took office in 2009. In CBO's most recent projections from April, the deficit is projected to be $1.16 trillion in fiscal year 2012 and $901 billion in 2013. So he's got to cut a lot more from the budget in the next two years to achieve the goal. But it was incorrect for Pawlenty to say the deficit will more than double. In fact, it is on track to go down, although possibly not as much as Obama promised. And even if Pawlenty meant "debt," the facts don't support his claim. The publicly held debt is projected to continue growing -- from the $7.5 trillion in fiscal year 2009 to $12.66 trillion in 2013, which is less than double. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jun/24/tim-pawlenty/pawlenty-says-obama-going-break-promise-deficit-an/

Lucylastic -> RE: Are Things Getting Better? (1/7/2012 5:11:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Obama is quoted in an interview favoring higher energy costs so that "green energy" will seem more affordable "Under MY PLAN... of a Cap and Trade System... electricity rates would necessarily SKYROCKET." Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlTxGHn4sH4 said in 2008 before he was president quote: "Under MY PLAN... of a Cap and Trade System... electricity rates would necessarily SKYROCKET."

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