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MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Are Things Getting Better? (1/7/2012 5:23:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Obama is quoted in an interview favoring higher energy costs so that "green energy" will seem more affordable




"Under MY PLAN... of a Cap and Trade System... electricity rates would necessarily SKYROCKET."

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlTxGHn4sH4



said in 2008 before he was president



Yeah?!!  And?!!  So phukin' what?!!  He's perfectly fine with electricity rates "SKYROCKETING"?!!  He's a scum-bag for not caring what type of financial burden "skyrocketing" electricity rates would place on people just for the purpose of his "green" goals.  Gotta love his idiotic thinking of wanting people to buy ELECTRIC cars, while also (under HIS plan) causing electricity rates to "SKYROCKET" -- what a complete phukin' asshole, he is!!!  [8|]




tazzygirl -> RE: Are Things Getting Better? (1/7/2012 5:38:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity

Obama is quoted in an interview favoring higher energy costs so that "green energy" will seem more affordable




"Under MY PLAN... of a Cap and Trade System... electricity rates would necessarily SKYROCKET."

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlTxGHn4sH4



said in 2008 before he was president
quote:

"Under MY PLAN... of a Cap and Trade System... electricity rates would necessarily SKYROCKET."




Oh jesus, this again?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/jun/11/mike-pence/pence-claims-obama-said-energy-costs-will-skyrocke/

On March 24, 2009, we gave the claim a Pants on Fire ruling because the GOP's calculation was badly flawed and because the GOP used the figure even though the author of the MIT study had told them it was wrong. And in an April 1 letter to House Republicans, authors of the MIT study said that the report was being misinterpreted; by their count, estimates hover closer to $340 per family.

........

Despite those potential cost cuts, there's still little disagreement that consumers will pay for cap-and-trade, whether it's $3,100 (Republican claims disputed by MIT) a year or $340 (OBO claim). Because that hasn't changed since Obama first said that utility rates would "necessarily skyrocket," and because Pence got Obama's words just right, we give Pence a True.

I still see nothing about favoring higher costs.



Lucylastic -> RE: Are Things Getting Better? (1/7/2012 5:39:54 PM)

did you actually read why it was going to skyrocket????
when you get the facts, then come back and state your case
but
Calm down first



Lucylastic -> RE: Are Things Getting Better? (1/7/2012 5:44:54 PM)

Thats the problem with not understanding the background of the statement.



MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Are Things Getting Better? (1/7/2012 6:06:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL:

On March 24, 2009, we gave the claim a Pants on Fire ruling because the GOP's calculation



[sm=rofl.gif]LOL... "the GOP's calculation"?!!  Dipshit O'Failure states it's HIS PLAN, yet somehow the "GOP" is responsible for HIS PLAN and HIS CALCULATIONS?!! [sm=rofl.gif] LOL... LOL... LOL... FUCKING STOP IT... MY SIDES ARE STARTING TO HURT FROM LAUGHING SO HARD!!! 

And again, he's perfectly fine with placing the financial burden "skyrocketing" electricity rates on people just for the purpose of his "green" goals.  Gotta love his idiotic thinking of wanting people to buy ELECTRIC CARS, while also (under HIS plan) causing ELECTRICITY RATES to "SKYROCKET" -- what a complete phukin' asshole, he is!!!  [8|]


"O'Failure: Under MY PLAN... of a Cap and Trade System... electricity rates would necessarily SKYROCKET."

Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlTxGHn4sH4





tazzygirl -> RE: Are Things Getting Better? (1/7/2012 6:08:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Thats the problem with not understanding the background of the statement.



It happens a lot with certain posters.



Lucylastic -> RE: Are Things Getting Better? (1/7/2012 6:15:05 PM)

absolutely:)



MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Are Things Getting Better? (1/7/2012 7:33:04 PM)

 
Yeah... with those on the Left.  I take the idiot O'Failure at his word -- whether it's to "fundamentally transform America", or that HIS PLAN would cause electricity rates to SKYROCKET -- and especially when HE has explained WHY the rates would "SKYROCKET".  It's because of HIS PLAN... HIS ACTIONS... HIS REGULATIONS... and ALL OF HIS DOING -- i.e., "capping greenhouse gases":

"Regardless of what I say about coal -- whether coal is good or bad -- because I'm capping greenhouse gases, coal power plants... natural gas... whetever the plants were... whatever the industry was, they would have to... uhhh... retrofit their operations.  That will cost money... they will pass that money along to consumers."

Sourc:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlTxGHn4sH4

[8|] 




tazzygirl -> RE: Are Things Getting Better? (1/7/2012 8:08:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

did you actually read why it was going to skyrocket????
when you get the facts, then come back and state your case
but
Calm down first


Ya know, Lucy, isnt it interesting how Christie pulled out of the NE initiative after...

Several states, including New Jersey, have raided RGGI proceeds recently to fill budget gaps. Christie took $65.2 million from the state’s Global Warming Solutions Fund to balance the current budget. This morning, he condemned RGGI as nothing more than a tax.

He didnt seem to mind that "tax" when he used it to balance the budget.



Lucylastic -> RE: Are Things Getting Better? (1/7/2012 8:14:50 PM)

OH theres a crook and liar if I ever saw one, let alone hear and read about him, he will do well in Washington.
Corrupt, more of the same. what a surprise. Of course he is much loved by some. god help us.



Sanity -> RE: Are Things Getting Better? (1/8/2012 7:30:32 AM)


Yet his disciples denied knowledge of their savior, on questioning... [;)]

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ORIGINAL: MasterSlaveLA


Yeah... with those on the Left.  I take the idiot O'Failure at his word -- whether it's to "fundamentally transform America", or that HIS PLAN would cause electricity rates to SKYROCKET -- and especially when HE has explained WHY the rates would "SKYROCKET".  It's because of HIS PLAN... HIS ACTIONS... HIS REGULATIONS... and ALL OF HIS DOING -- i.e., "capping greenhouse gases":

"Regardless of what I say about coal -- whether coal is good or bad -- because I'm capping greenhouse gases, coal power plants... natural gas... whetever the plants were... whatever the industry was, they would have to... uhhh... retrofit their operations.  That will cost money... they will pass that money along to consumers."

Sourc:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlTxGHn4sH4

[8|] 





Owner59 -> RE: Are Things Getting Better? (1/8/2012 8:12:32 AM)

So with the long record of republican failure on the economy.....perhaps you cons can list for us the republican`s economic accomplishments, over the last two-three years?



mnottertail -> RE: Are Things Getting Better? (1/8/2012 8:47:06 AM)

Other than massive borrowing and spending you mean, or you want that in the list as well?



Owner59 -> RE: Are Things Getting Better? (1/8/2012 9:02:44 AM)

The people of America...the normal ones believe the president is working in good faith and has the country`s welfare in mind as he acts.

Not sure they feel the same about republicans after their actions last year.

Folks know who is putting country before politics and who isn`t.



Sanity -> RE: Are Things Getting Better? (1/8/2012 9:18:25 AM)


FR-

The Obama administration has only  its own welfare in mind as it spins its lies about the current state of the economy, with a lot of help from the typical liars in far left media

Heres the bottom line re Decembers hiring reports, from an article that explains the lies and spin very clearly

quote:


The raw numbers show that the job market, in the context of the high unemployment rate and labor underutilization, is at best sluggishly improving. It is definitely not in a "surge," or "gaining steam."


Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2012/01/07/why-yesterdays-jobs-numbers-dont-signify-gaining-steam-or-surge#ixzz1it5Chfvp



Lucylastic -> RE: Are Things Getting Better? (1/8/2012 9:20:48 AM)

Newsbusters ???
SNORT
written by a guy who works at the "redneck shop"
Very inspiring
NOT



mnottertail -> RE: Are Things Getting Better? (1/8/2012 9:21:26 AM)

I see that the rabid right is out there in full force spreading their lies using the far right media, newsbusters,, faux, breitbart, limbaugh and other Geobbles trained propagandists.

LOL, this is so much fun and so thoughtless, why --- you dont need to know anything to do this.............



MrRodgers -> RE: Are Things Getting Better? (1/8/2012 9:49:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

I'd hate to mention Obama and Reagan together but this sentence is telling.


But the president's re-election chances may hinge more on the direction of the unemployment rate. It was 7.2 percent when Ronald Reagan beat Walter Mondale in 1984, but it had fallen from 10.8 percent two years before the election.

Not exactly. At this point in time in Reagan's first term unmeployment was 8.5 or 6 %. Thus, unemployment has fallen at this point in time to just about the same, 10+ to about 8.6...under Obama. Obama inherited a much worse situation, where 2 million jobs were lost in just the last qtr of calender 2008 and another 150,000 in Jan. 09 before he was even inaugurated.

It is ALL people, ALL a matter of perspective as I have written here countless times that at this point in 1983 the 'talk' was who would Reagan route in an election almost a year away. There was NO talk of ANY dem beating Reagan at any time...ever. The media today is a branch of the corporate agenda. It has been very successful especially of late.

Now the propaganda is ('employment down,' 'leading from behind', 'Obama's made it worse') either an outright lie or meaningless drivel, which is most of today's right wing talking points.

To 'hate mentioning Reagan and Obama in the same sentence' is to bring prejudice and thus a lack of objectivity.

Oh and yes, things are...getting better despite the lies and continued vitriol from the right.



MrRodgers -> RE: Are Things Getting Better? (1/8/2012 9:59:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


FR-

The Obama administration has only  its own welfare in mind as it spins its lies about the current state of the economy, with a lot of help from the typical liars in far left media

Heres the bottom line re Decembers hiring reports, from an article that explains the lies and spin very clearly

quote:


The raw numbers show that the job market, in the context of the high unemployment rate and labor underutilization, is at best sluggishly improving. It is definitely not in a "surge," or "gaining steam."


Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2012/01/07/why-yesterdays-jobs-numbers-dont-signify-gaining-steam-or-surge#ixzz1it5Chfvp


Yea, I know it's getting pretty bad when the left refuses to recognize that the numbers only really mean what they say when they are good numbers...during a repub admin.

I mean come on people we can't rely upon the same numbers when we are talking about a dark-skinned, Kenyan, anti-colonialist in the white house...now can we ?



Sanity -> RE: Are Things Getting Better? (1/8/2012 10:14:42 AM)


Obfuscate, call the numbers racist... bitterly attack the messenger, thats all fine [:D]

But everyone with half a mind can see that when the regular Christmas hiring is spun into the economy "surging" or called "gaining steam"

Or called "better political news" according to the AP...

This White House finally begins to become a little more transparent [;)]



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