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popeye1250 -> Should a presidential candidate be required to be a military veteran? (1/10/2012 1:09:37 AM)

I was reading another thread about Ron Paul and Newt Gingrich and I was thinking that if presidential candidates were required to be military veterans maybe , just maybe we could by-pass the "deutch bag" factor.
What type of "honor" does someone like Newt Gingrich or Bill Clinton bring to the table never having served in uniform?
And, (I love this!) they're always throwing around the word, "leader" or "leadership" all the time!
Is being a little league coach considered "leadership?"
They don't realize that being president is a management job.
If you want real, fully involved, harsh leadership experience then join the military. That's where leaders come from.
Leaders are afraid too but they do their jobs sometimes under extreme conditions.
If you wanted to go into politics why wouldn't you want that experience behind you?
Wouldn't you trust a Master Seargeant in that job before someone like Bill Clinton or Barak Obama, Newt Gingrich et al?
What say you?



imdmb -> RE: Should a presidential candidate be required to be a military veteran? (1/10/2012 2:13:05 AM)

first off, Clinton not only brought us out of debt, we had a SURPLUS

we were financially BETTER then we had been in pretty much ever

the fact that george w. blew through ALL that cash doesn't mean that Bill didn't do his job, it means george screwed up big time

but anyways, the problem with having a militairy requirement is that it would actualy REQUIRE a war, so in order for us to have a president thousands of people have to die?

no... i don't think that's right...



Politesub53 -> RE: Should a presidential candidate be required to be a military veteran? (1/10/2012 4:01:17 AM)

Think Hitler. One fucked up ex military man if ever I saw one.

Are we really suggesting GWB is more honourable than Obama Pops ?

To sum up the notion that a military man is somehow more (Or indeed less) honourable than anyone else..... Its just absurd.



tweakabelle -> RE: Should a presidential candidate be required to be a military veteran? (1/10/2012 5:16:32 AM)

To some extent, I had a vaguely similar reaction to pops. I wondered: 'what's the big deal about military heroes?

I tried to recall who the last President who was also a military hero was. I could be quite wrong but I couldn't think of anyone since Kennedy and Eisenhower*. It occurred to me that it might just be the case that you guys have had more draft dodgers, deferees and ineligibles than heroes as Presidents recently.

Kennedy initiated the slide into Vietnam. Since then you guys have only been directly involved in one major conflict - Iraq. So, if keeping the peace is the measure of a good successful President, you're better off with draft dodgers, deferees and ineligibles.

Just a thought ............

* Carter was a submarine commander IIRC, but where you locate him in the list of successful Presidents is up to you



Moonhead -> RE: Should a presidential candidate be required to be a military veteran? (1/10/2012 5:33:05 AM)

Heroism is an amorphous definition, but Bush prime was one of the youngest fighter pilots in the pacific theatre during the second world war, so it was probably him.

(That said, there's been a few conflicts between French Indochina and the latest dust ups in Iraq and Afghanistan. There was the first Gulf War and the UN intervention in the former Yugoslavia, for a start, even if all of that business in central america during the '80s doesn't count...)



tazzygirl -> RE: Should a presidential candidate be required to be a military veteran? (1/10/2012 5:40:03 AM)

By requiring military service many of our presidents never would have been in office.

Polk, Cleveland, Adams, Taft, Wilson....

FDR couldnt because he couldnt pass the physical.. he had contracted measles.

Making it a reqirement means many eligible men who physically cannot serve in the military would be barred from the Office.



Raiikun -> RE: Should a presidential candidate be required to be a military veteran? (1/10/2012 5:44:05 AM)


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ORIGINAL: imdmb

first off, Clinton not only brought us out of debt, we had a SURPLUS



You might want to check your facts there...according to the National Treasury website, the National Debt still increased every year that Clinton was president. There was no real "extra cash" for Bush to blow through.

That said, I'd still take Clinton when it came to fiscal responsibility over anyone else that's been president for some time.



Musicmystery -> RE: Should a presidential candidate be required to be a military veteran? (1/10/2012 5:52:42 AM)

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You might want to check your facts there...according to the National Treasury website, the National Debt still increased every year that Clinton was president.


You need to check yours.

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/faqs/Markets/Pages/national-debt.aspx

Click on "Federal Debt: Answers to Frequently Asked Questions - An Update"

See Figure 8 on page 27.



Hillwilliam -> RE: Should a presidential candidate be required to be a military veteran? (1/10/2012 5:55:54 AM)

What about someone who uses Senator Daddy's influence to stay stateside with a nice cushy position in the guard? It was VERY common for people on both sides of the aisle to shelter their kids that way during the 60's and early 70's.



Sanity -> RE: Should a presidential candidate be required to be a military veteran? (1/10/2012 5:56:10 AM)


The House controls the purse strings, and wasnt Newt Gingrich holding the gavel around that time? [:D]

Regardless, Clinton was a draft dodger, so any demand now on the part of leftists that a Conservative candidate have a military background is disingenuous, at the very best

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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You might want to check your facts there...according to the National Treasury website, the National Debt still increased every year that Clinton was president.


You need to check yours.

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/faqs/Markets/Pages/national-debt.aspx

Click on "Federal Debt: Answers to Frequently Asked Questions - An Update"

See Figure 8 on page 27.



Musicmystery -> RE: Should a presidential candidate be required to be a military veteran? (1/10/2012 5:58:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


The House controls the purse strings, and wasnt Newt Gingrich holding the gavel around that time? [:D]

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

quote:

You might want to check your facts there...according to the National Treasury website, the National Debt still increased every year that Clinton was president.


You need to check yours.

http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/faqs/Markets/Pages/national-debt.aspx

Click on "Federal Debt: Answers to Frequently Asked Questions - An Update"

See Figure 8 on page 27.


What is it with the relentless partisan paranoia?

Yes, Newt and Bill worked effectively together. Last time a divided house and White House have done that.

The question raised was the data from the National Treasury website. That's what the answer addressed.



tazzygirl -> RE: Should a presidential candidate be required to be a military veteran? (1/10/2012 6:01:07 AM)

Raiikun and I had this discussion before. He and willbe kept insisting it was due to the trust funds. They insisted those funds were part of the Unified budget... they havent been since 1990.



Musicmystery -> RE: Should a presidential candidate be required to be a military veteran? (1/10/2012 6:04:27 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Raiikun and I had this discussion before. He and willbe kept insisting it was due to the trust funds. They insisted those funds were part of the Unified budget... they havent been since 1990.

Not entering that debate. Simply noting that the source he cited doesn't say what he claims.



Moonhead -> RE: Should a presidential candidate be required to be a military veteran? (1/10/2012 6:05:44 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Regardless, Clinton was a draft dodger, so any demand now on the part of leftists that a Conservative candidate have a military background is disingenuous, at the very best

Like the sudden u turn the neocons did about the innate superiority of the military man when they were running the traitor Sorebutt against the Kenyan, rather than a draft dodger against Kerry, you mean?



Owner59 -> RE: Should a presidential candidate be required to be a military veteran? (1/10/2012 6:37:33 AM)

bush was supposedly a "military man".....and that major fuckup caused 45 hundred GIs to lose their lives.Pretty much killed the idea that being a veteran insures a good commander.


The concept is that a "military man" would have more insight,empathy,knowledge and perhaps more success if they were in the military.President Obama has proven that one wrong.



Sanity -> RE: Should a presidential candidate be required to be a military veteran? (1/10/2012 7:31:10 AM)


Your post makes no sense because they dont make war heroes like John McCain any more, I recall how leftists howled interminably that a great war hero like he wasnt the nominee over Bush in 2000

Though he never had an issue with Bushs service, and the leftist cacophony about Bushs service record was wholly manufactured by the likes of Dan Rather

quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity
Regardless, Clinton was a draft dodger, so any demand now on the part of leftists that a Conservative candidate have a military background is disingenuous, at the very best

Like the sudden u turn the neocons did about the innate superiority of the military man when they were running the traitor Sorebutt against the Kenyan, rather than a draft dodger against Kerry, you mean?



OsideGirl -> RE: Should a presidential candidate be required to be a military veteran? (1/10/2012 7:39:02 AM)


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250


What type of "honor" does someone like Newt Gingrich or Bill Clinton bring to the table never having served in uniform?
Abraham Lincoln never served in uniform......



Musicmystery -> RE: Should a presidential candidate be required to be a military veteran? (1/10/2012 7:42:18 AM)

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I recall how leftists howled interminably that a great war hero like he wasnt the nominee


Do you.



Lucylastic -> RE: Should a presidential candidate be required to be a military veteran? (1/10/2012 7:47:16 AM)

FR.
The concept that a military man cant be a douche bag is the biggest problem with that thought.
That a military man is the only type who can lead a country is ridiculous beyond compare.
We have innumerable numbers to point that fact out to be total crap.
Of course your definiton of douche bag may be different.



Musicmystery -> RE: Should a presidential candidate be required to be a military veteran? (1/10/2012 7:51:10 AM)

Maybe we should have only Generals, like in totalitarian states...or at least Colonels....




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