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RE: Why does she have to pay for this? - 1/11/2012 8:49:41 AM   
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Did this happen at a studio, or does she work out of her house?

And, what everyone else said about get this woman professional help, and run like hell!

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RE: Why does she have to pay for this? - 1/11/2012 8:51:35 AM   
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Sam, it is amazing how your story keeps evolving to make excuses for this woman's bad behaviour. She needs mental help, period. She also shouldn't be a pro if she cannot deal with her shit any better than this.

Seriously, if you really want to serve her well. Get her the help she needs instead of sitting here on a computer, creating drama and defending her, making excuses for her. Doing this is not serving her, in fact it is a disservice. Get her help STAT.

Personally, I would like to see you run like hell........but your little head is ruling.


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RE: Why does she have to pay for this? - 1/11/2012 8:55:39 AM   
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RE: Why does she have to pay for this? - 1/11/2012 8:57:33 AM   
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Did this happen at a studio, or does she work out of her house?

And, what everyone else said about get this woman professional help, and run like hell!

She has her own private space and while I admit she has problems I'm not abandoning her.

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RE: Why does she have to pay for this? - 1/11/2012 8:58:19 AM   
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I guess her "groper" should be glad she wasn't carrying a gun.  Please, keep her off the subway, who knows how many times she would go off in a rage about someone fondling her. 




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RE: Why does she have to pay for this? - 1/11/2012 8:59:00 AM   
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Did this happen at a studio, or does she work out of her house?

And, what everyone else said about get this woman professional help, and run like hell!

She has her own private space and while I admit she has problems I'm not abandoning her.



Bonus points for that, Sam. But I hope you can see that she is NOT RIGHT and needs to get herself straightened out.

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RE: Why does she have to pay for this? - 1/11/2012 9:04:37 AM   
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While I still say there's something fishy (he was restrained and came after her), I repeat that she's not safe and should not be doing Pro Domme work. 


Given her reaction I would suggest that I wouldn't want her delivering pizza to my house, selling shoes at Nordstrom (especially not Louboutin with those pesky steel shanks), answering customer service calls where she can access the home address of customers, greeting people at Wal-Mart, sandwich specialist at Jimmy John's, hotel maid who brings up extra towels...



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RE: Why does she have to pay for this? - 1/11/2012 9:09:43 AM   
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eerr...sorry but your new girlfriend should have been the one in jail and she REALLY...I can't stress this enough...she should REALLLY not be a pro-domme and what's going to happen when she gets upset with you for something?

I'd be running, not walking away from this situation. She sounds dangerous as shit.

Like I said in your other post about her...good luck with that. I don't see this as lasting at all.

Your girlfriend needs some serious therapy and I would suggest you seek one too if you're choosing her as your girlfriend and/or Mistress.



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RE: Why does she have to pay for this? - 1/11/2012 9:14:10 AM   
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Thanks I will be honest I probably should have explained it in more detail though this wasn't some innocent feeling up he did according to her he pretty much attacked her because he had her against a wall she head butted him and started punching him in the face repeatedly until he lost consciousness now at that point she was really pissed off so she slammed her spiked heel into his hand. Anybody still think she over reacted?


And then what happened? Did she call the cops or did he?


She did and she was completely terrified(even though he was restrained she was found hiding in a closet like scarred child) from what I understand I suspect something like this has happened to her before.


The legal aspects are not something I am going to get into. I am not a lawyer, nor the court she will be dealing with. I would think that there could be more than a civil case for both of them though. What I do want to address is this:

I am speaking from a place of having been where I am sure she has been. As a sexual assault victim. There was a time that if you came up behind me and touched me, surprised me... you would get hurt. I would take you down and could take you down. However... even in that state, you must be in control. You have to take control of the situation, stop the danger and then back off. There was a time when I knew that if someone went to far and this guy did... that I could go into what I call a blackout rage and go to far. I made sure I didn't and made sure I wasn't ever in a position to go there.

If you have been through anything that would take you to a place of such violence in protecting yourself... your choice or where you go, what you do, etc. is very important. You must have healing and even then, you could be taken back in a moment if you have ptsd over it. Talking from a place where I had issues to a place where I know with 98% that I would not go to that place where I was before, as I have been there and know... but still give a 2% chance I could, I would not be working with men that common sense would tell you... could get out of line.

She is unhealed and in a high risk catagory and set the stage for what happened basically.

When I was taught to fight... taught to take someone down and to protect myself... I also lived in some pretty tough areas. We called it street. You take someone down... once down... you get to safety. You do not continue. Basically kicking someone when they were down wasn't a fair fight unless you were fighting for your life... which she wasn't... but she responded as if she was.

She needs help and her being a dominant and a pro... is the wrong place for her to be. Now, she will have to address her issues. Part of what happens when you over react... is it scares you. When she hid she may not have even been afraid of him... why be afraid of a man down? She was afraid of herself and what she had done. Unless she gets the help she needs... and she needs it... especially if being victim at some point and then chosing her work as she has, I suspect she had some anger and denial and now... there isn't anything she can deny.

Do not make the mistake of feeling sorry for her and standing by her as more than a friend. Enabling her, excusing her and the like will not do either of you any good. There is no excuse for what she did. Yes, it is understandable... but there is no excuse. While sympathy from the court might be okay to some degree... that sympathy coming from you... would be a very bad choice unless you wish to walk decades of this trauma.

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RE: Why does she have to pay for this? - 1/11/2012 9:25:56 AM   
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Thanks I will be honest I probably should have explained it in more detail though this wasn't some innocent feeling up he did according to her he pretty much attacked her because he had her against a wall she head butted him and started punching him in the face repeatedly until he lost consciousness now at that point she was really pissed off so she slammed her spiked heel into his hand. Anybody still think she over reacted?


And then what happened? Did she call the cops or did he?


She did and she was completely terrified(even though he was restrained she was found hiding in a closet like scarred child) from what I understand I suspect something like this has happened to her before.


The legal aspects are not something I am going to get into. I am not a lawyer, nor the court she will be dealing with. I would think that there could be more than a civil case for both of them though. What I do want to address is this:

I am speaking from a place of having been where I am sure she has been. As a sexual assault victim. There was a time that if you came up behind me and touched me, surprised me... you would get hurt. I would take you down and could take you down. However... even in that state, you must be in control. You have to take control of the situation, stop the danger and then back off. There was a time when I knew that if someone went to far and this guy did... that I could go into what I call a blackout rage and go to far. I made sure I didn't and made sure I wasn't ever in a position to go there.

If you have been through anything that would take you to a place of such violence in protecting yourself... your choice or where you go, what you do, etc. is very important. You must have healing and even then, you could be taken back in a moment if you have ptsd over it. Talking from a place where I had issues to a place where I know with 98% that I would not go to that place where I was before, as I have been there and know... but still give a 2% chance I could, I would not be working with men that common sense would tell you... could get out of line.

She is unhealed and in a high risk catagory and set the stage for what happened basically.

When I was taught to fight... taught to take someone down and to protect myself... I also lived in some pretty tough areas. We called it street. You take someone down... once down... you get to safety. You do not continue. Basically kicking someone when they were down wasn't a fair fight unless you were fighting for your life... which she wasn't... but she responded as if she was.

She needs help and her being a dominant and a pro... is the wrong place for her to be. Now, she will have to address her issues. Part of what happens when you over react... is it scares you. When she hid she may not have even been afraid of him... why be afraid of a man down? She was afraid of herself and what she had done. Unless she gets the help she needs... and she needs it... especially if being victim at some point and then chosing her work as she has, I suspect she had some anger and denial and now... there isn't anything she can deny.

Do not make the mistake of feeling sorry for her and standing by her as more than a friend. Enabling her, excusing her and the like will not do either of you any good. There is no excuse for what she did. Yes, it is understandable... but there is no excuse. While sympathy from the court might be okay to some degree... that sympathy coming from you... would be a very bad choice unless you wish to walk decades of this trauma.

Your right I guess I just was so focused on protecting her from him I didn't realize that I should really be protecting her from her. But how do I convince her to get help?

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RE: Why does she have to pay for this? - 1/11/2012 9:28:06 AM   
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eerr...sorry but your new girlfriend should have been the one in jail and she REALLY...I can't stress this enough...she should REALLLY not be a pro-domme and what's going to happen when she gets upset with you for something?

I'd be running, not walking away from this situation. She sounds dangerous as shit.

Like I said in your other post about her...good luck with that. I don't see this as lasting at all.

Your girlfriend needs some serious therapy and I would suggest you seek one too if you're choosing her as your girlfriend and/or Mistress.




Pretty much this. If you let a client get that out of hand in the first place, you are shit at your job. Further, the only way the scenario outlined makes sense is if she was weaker but had significant martial arts training or the protection of almighty God. We're talking about a situation in which one person is strong enough to throw another up against a wall, but still gets knocked out cold by the same person without having any chance to fight back? Not impossible, but highly unlikely. Further, if she did knock him out and then break his hand, intentionally, maliciously, and with no regard to safety, she should be in jail. Not just out of the business (though definitely that; absolutely 100% gone from any BDSM play with anyone under any circumstances), in prison until such time as she is deemed fit to reenter society.

You describe her as being enraged, pissed off, etc. There's a more precise word for that: We call it out of fucking control. Do you know who is not, under any circumstances whatsoever, allowed to be out of control? People who claim to be dominants. We are responsible for the safety of human beings, often in situations where they are abjectly helpless. If you can't control your anger, you shouldn't put yourself in that situation. If you can imagine any circumstance in a BDSM setting where you would lose control of yourself and act violently and irrationally, you should not be a dominant. Period. Even if we assume her actions were acceptable in a vanilla setting (which they weren't by any stretch of the imagination) she is still not fit to hold a whip.

I'm not one prone to statements of abject certainty, preferring to let people go their own way, but there are certain absolutes which should be obvious to all rational people. I'm also not one to cry assault with mutual combat, but even excepting the implications as regards to BDSM if you have someone unconscious and you're taking active steps to do permanent damage to them, you deserve to be in jail. That's not honorable combat, that's childish violence. The fact that she is only being sued is a testament to how fucked up our legal system is.

If you really want to be involved with that sort of person, that's your call; I support people's right to make terrible decisions as we all do, but if I see you back here in a month crying over your missing fingers, you had it coming.

Also, while we're on the subject, the phrase "pretty much" is never, ever appended to the beginning of things that happened. It's appended to the beginning of things which people want to pretend happened to justify their crazy time. I have no idea why you would make a post that involved her repeatedly beating someone, then described her attack on his unconscious form in rather descriptive terms, and then act as if you've proven your point irrevocably. I have to wonder if you get off on the idea, in which case you really, really have it coming.

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RE: Why does she have to pay for this? - 1/11/2012 9:39:26 AM   
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She may still try to go into denial as that seems where she was to start with or she wouldn't have made the choices she has made.  You are still trying to protect her. Right now you cannot do anything for her as you are not prepared with understanding what really needs to happen. I would suggest talking to a rape crisis center, googling and doing research so you understand better... but... and I want to make this very clear... YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO ASSIST HER IN THIS AND COULD DO FURTHER DAMAGE TO HER AND TO YOUR OWN LIFE.

If she doesn't go for help on her own and now... you can count my words... this will not go easy for either of you and you will be involved and effected. If she goes for help, you can be a supportive friend once you understand a bit... which you do not. Even in that, I am not sure I would recommend it.

You and others can say I don't know the situation... but after years of working on my own issues and helping in rape and other crisis situations... I can tell you... you have no idea what you are trying to involve yourself in. It is commendable that you would wish to... but if you do... you are not being smart and I would wonder why you felt the need to support someone that hasn't sought help before this and may not now unless she is forced. Get informed and get gone. Let professionals deal with her, they are who she needs.


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RE: Why does she have to pay for this? - 1/11/2012 9:44:26 AM   
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I gotta ask Sam-are you a rescuer?
Are you one of those white knight guys who falls for damaged chicks?

Now I'm not judging here. We are all damaged in some way, shape or form, and most of us have tripwires in our heads, especially folks with harsh pasts and traumas. That doesn't excuse
what she did, but at least makes her response understandable.

I actually have a smidgen of sympathy.
Not for her actions, but her overall. She may be a nice lady, hell, she could be a princess, but it sounds like she has trust issues, emotional walls, suffers an inability to openly express herself, to reach out to others (i.e. you) emotionally, to show need and vulnerability (Note that most of these are pretty common post trauma issues) all of which makes her damaged, but doesn't mean she's a bad person at all. It just means she needs healing.

But she shouldn't be a pro domme. No fucking way.
She's putting herself at risk. She's putting her clients at risk. Hell, this is hurting you emotionally so you are at risk.
And I hope to hades that you have the sense to know that you cannot heal her, she as to do it for herself.
Cuz otherwise you are gonna get maimed.


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RE: Why does she have to pay for this? - 1/11/2012 9:53:49 AM   
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Kana speaks the truth. After Hugh left me, I literally didn't play for a YEAR, I was worried that some poor guy was going to trip my trigger and get flattened. Trauma is bad, and denying its effects doesn't work.



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RE: Why does she have to pay for this? - 1/11/2012 9:57:41 AM   
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No she restrained him after knocking him out and breaking his hand but still went and hid.


Wow, this story just keeps getting better.

So she overpowers him and knocks him out with a barrage of punches.  Stomps on his hand with her heels and breaks it (while he's still unconsious).  Proceeds to tie him up.  Then runs and hides in the closet from the man who is unconscious and tied up?  Yeah, that makes total sense. 

C'mon Sam, admit it.  You're pulling our legs, aren't you? 

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RE: Why does she have to pay for this? - 1/11/2012 9:58:34 AM   
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First, what Tinkerhell said. This just seems a bit...hinky.

But if it is true, she better hope he is not a surgeon or a dentist or some other professional that needs their hands. If so, she's toast.

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RE: Why does she have to pay for this? - 1/11/2012 10:03:43 AM   
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No she restrained him after knocking him out and breaking his hand but still went and hid.


Wow, this story just keeps getting better.

So she overpowers him and knocks him out with a barrage of punches.  Stomps on his hand with her heels and breaks it (while he's still unconsious).  Proceeds to tie him up.  Then runs and hides in the closet from the man who is unconscious and tied up?  Yeah, that makes total sense. 

C'mon Sam, admit it.  You're pulling our legs, aren't you? 



Actually, it could make perfect sense to a mind unhealed and damaged. I can't say I would have done that... but a black out rage... oh yes... I could have done that, so maybe I could have. Think about watching a scary movie. The victims always leave the monster able to get back at them. I find myself talking to the screen... kill him... you fool... I know its a movie, but you make sure they cannot get back up. Now think of actually doing that to someone, monster or not... what would it take... what would your reaction be to doing it? I bet in a real situation... we could do many things that would surprise us and not make sense... but make perfect sense.

Just my take.


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RE: Why does she have to pay for this? - 1/11/2012 10:05:26 AM   
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He was restrained and came after her? Humm.. I missed that part.

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RE: Why does she have to pay for this? - 1/11/2012 10:07:20 AM   
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Well, the story has been...fluid.

The only surety is some douche got a broken hand instead of a kick in the nads.

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RE: Why does she have to pay for this? - 1/11/2012 10:20:40 AM   
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Samhain, if this story is true... I stand by what I said. If you are playing some kinky game... you might consider changing your name, because you just blew it big time. Shame on you.

I don't give a fuck what your fantasy might be...

I have better things to do today... and I am going to get at it. I have my own guy to dissect tonight, a domina must be prepared. hehehe



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