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Is this objectification? - 1/12/2012 7:39:30 AM   
shylilbear


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Part of my Daddy's plans for me include sharing me with his friends, to be used by them in any way he sees fit, to basically be a sex toy at times. I love the idea, as I think it sounds really hot and I get all sorts of tingly when I think about it.

Does this qualify as objectification? Why or why not?



Thank you for taking the time to read this, and I look forward to seeing all of your responses.

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RE: Is this objectification? - 1/12/2012 7:53:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		In and of itself no.   Not in my estimation.   Depends on how the entire thing is handled. What your parts, interactions, outcomes, expectations and so on are.  

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RE: Is this objectification? - 1/12/2012 8:12:27 AM   
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Are you fucking your friends out of obedience to Master, as proof of ownership?

... or

Are you a worthless piece of fuck meat with no human rights or characteristics to be casually used as an object to deposit cum in? 

It's not always what we do as much as why we do it that defines us.


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RE: Is this objectification? - 1/12/2012 8:13:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		RS, I am using the girls for fuckmeat, but thanks for asking............


LOL. I crack myself up....

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RE: Is this objectification? - 1/12/2012 8:35:50 AM   
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RE: Is this objectification? - 1/12/2012 9:04:40 AM   
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RS, I am using the girls for fuckmeat, but thanks for asking............


LOL. I crack myself up....

Glad you cleared that up. 


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RE: Is this objectification? - 1/12/2012 9:11:35 AM   
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Why is a label needed?

I think some people like to define what they do or who they are.  Communication helps.  Imagine a Dom trying to humiliate a sub by stripping them in public.  If the sub is an exhibitionist, it wouldn't work. 

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RE: Is this objectification? - 1/12/2012 9:13:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey, we don't know that it is a 'label' issue, but from the feel of this, it is a 'fetish' issue,  as in :  Oh goody!!!! I am objectified.

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RE: Is this objectification? - 1/12/2012 9:32:57 AM   
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The O.P. says "to basically be a sex toy at times."

The math speaks for itself...

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RE: Is this objectification? - 1/12/2012 9:38:19 AM   
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there's your answer.

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RE: Is this objectification? - 1/12/2012 9:49:27 AM   
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do you FEEL objectified, OP?

there's your answer.

They only feel objectified if you do it right!



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RE: Is this objectification? - 1/12/2012 10:28:18 AM   
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RE: Is this objectification? - 1/12/2012 10:47:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well we're all objects to other people, other peopl eare objects to us, technically speaking, so when it comes to sex, many of us like to fuck and/or be fucked, and we need and object to fuck or fuck us, people are objects that have a greater range of functionality and subtlety than a vibrator or a microwaved watermelon, and offer a greater range of possibilities not just for fucking but for doing other things, and we tend to form relationships with people that go beyond sexual acts, we theoretically develop feelings of affection, security, empathy, sympathy, closeness, love etc., that make them more than objects.

Objectification your only value is your body and your willingness to allow it to be used as others see fit, but for most people the underlying feelings remain, we're a social species, it's difficult for anyone to entirely dispense with human emotion, even psychopaths tend to form bonds with their victims, revisit the bodies, etc., torturers and their victims often form emotional bonds, etc., so true objectification is really not as easy as it sounds, it mainly tends to occur when the object is not in proximity, i.e., racism for example which is objectifying people from an emotional distance.

So, in a sense, true objectification could be defined as emotional distance, which is not an attribute most people find attractive in a partner, while at the same time there is some thrill in surrendering control of yourself to someone else that really gets some people going, and not to objectify and use them in that instance, whether ongoing or periodic, would indicate true emotional distance since it indicates a perverse unwillingness to satisfy your emotional needs.

That clear things up?

Anyway, bottom line is, we're all objects to somebody, economic objects, political objects, service providers of safety or violence, entertainment or annoyance, warm bodies for utility of all description - sex is about the least of it, it really becomes a matter of how much your esteem can handle being treated like an object, and for how long, some people laugh it off, some people love it, some people react violently to it.

So, go with the flow; if you both have each others interests at heart, it should work out fine, the only real danger here is if it gets to the point that you believe your own bullshit and objectify yourself, believing whatever the idiot object tells you, which means you are probably not living up to your full potential.

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RE: Is this objectification? - 1/12/2012 10:49:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you are made to feel like an object (devoid of feelings, desires, emotion and thought) then you are indeed the subject of objectification. If however you (or are required to) beg, object, praise, etc. then you are participating in something else.

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RE: Is this objectification? - 1/12/2012 11:00:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, there is no reason you can't have feelings for an object, or that an object can't have feelings, we're talking about Two objects here, and if we are talking about people, there it's highly likely that there will be feelings, desires, emotions and thought, and also highly likely that an emotional bond will form, it's mainly a question of to what degree one object acknowledges and seeks to satisfy the feelings, desires, emotions and/or thoughts of the other object, and/or acknowledge the bond, and it may vary somewhat with each thing, they can all be separate issues, i.e., you may want to be treated like and object sexually, but not intellectually, etc.

Emotions can be scary, it's sometimes easier to pretend they aren't there if they make you uncomfortable, or for thrills and chills, it's all a head game, bottom line for most people I suspect, is getting enough of their needs met to make it worth it to keep playing.

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RE: Is this objectification? - 1/12/2012 11:07:18 AM   
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Well, there is no reason you can't have feelings for an object, or that an object can't have feelings, we're talking about Two objects here, and if we are talking about people, there it's highly likely that there will be feelings, desires, emotions and thought, and also highly likely that an emotional bond will form, it's mainly a question of to what degree one object acknowledges and seeks to satisfy the feelings, desires, emotions and/or thoughts of the other object, and it may vary somewhat with each thing.

Emotions can be scary, it's sometimes easier to pretend they aren't there if they make you uncomfortable, or for thrills and chills, it's all a head game, bottom line for most people I suspect, is getting enough of their needs met to make it worth it to keep playing.


I disagree. 
The very definition of objectify includes "externalize" and being presented as an object in a "physical sense", not emotional.   I think there is a big difference in being emotionally humiliated and being objectified... and emotional participation is a key defining factor.   


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RE: Is this objectification? - 1/12/2012 11:15:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		In short, objectively speaking, a man has to bring something to the relationship besides a hard dick, and by the same token, the average woman is more than a collection of delectably fuckable holes to put it in, but why let that get in the way of really awesome, mind blowing, and ultimately satisfying sex?

Trip out, I say - if you don't like it, do something else.

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RE: Is this objectification? - 1/12/2012 11:21:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

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ORIGINAL: xssve

Well, there is no reason you can't have feelings for an object, or that an object can't have feelings, we're talking about Two objects here, and if we are talking about people, there it's highly likely that there will be feelings, desires, emotions and thought, and also highly likely that an emotional bond will form, it's mainly a question of to what degree one object acknowledges and seeks to satisfy the feelings, desires, emotions and/or thoughts of the other object, and it may vary somewhat with each thing.

Emotions can be scary, it's sometimes easier to pretend they aren't there if they make you uncomfortable, or for thrills and chills, it's all a head game, bottom line for most people I suspect, is getting enough of their needs met to make it worth it to keep playing.


I disagree. 
The very definition of objectify includes "externalize" and being presented as an object in a "physical sense", not emotional.   I think there is a big difference in being emotionally humiliated and being objectified... and emotional participation is a key defining factor.   

It would be hardly objective to pretend that something is not there that is.

i.e., objectify is merely to see something from an emotional distance, even if that thing is an emotion, since objectively speaking, emotions exist.

In fact, you'd be really missing half the fun if you really cannot read your partner emotionally, in order to toy with them, and just how far you can go there, there really is only so much you can do with a warm body, but the shit you can do with a twisted imagination is limitless.

In my experience, much of it is in the heat of the moment, while much of the debate on the subject tends to revolve around whether it ought to be a thing of the moment, or all objectification, all the time.

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RE: Is this objectification? - 1/12/2012 11:30:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: xssve
In short, objectively speaking, a man has to bring something to the relationship besides a hard dick, and by the same token, the average woman is more than a collection of delectably fuckable holes to put it in, but why let that get in the way of really awesome, mind blowing, and ultimately satisfying sex?

Trip out, I say - if you don't like it, do something else.

WTF are you talking about?  The OP has a relationship... it is only a scene they are talking about.  You are superimpossing your own beliefs and issues to make this thread about something it isn't.  We aren't talking about relationship skills.  We are talking about whether a scene is or isn't objectification.  Your obvious relationship issues are irrelevant.  Your incorrect interpretation of objectification is relevant. 

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RE: Is this objectification? - 1/12/2012 11:49:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		it all depends on what kind of object you want to be or feel like. many feel like sex objects and are okay with that and then theres an object of desire,which many times you cannot have so it depends on what type of object you want to be

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