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Kirata -> Amish Jailed (1/13/2012 9:22:27 AM)


I don't know what happened to make the other Amish thread disappear, but here's a follow-up.

A group of Amish men were sent to jail in western Kentucky Thursday for refusing to pay fines for breaking a state highway law that requires their horse-drawn buggies to be marked with orange reflective triangles.

The men have a religious objection to the bright orange signs, which they say are flashy and conflict with their pledge to live low-key and religious lives. Ananias Byler, the first of 10 Amish men due in Graves County District Court on Thursday, was sentenced to 10 days in jail.

Reference: CBS News

That the Amish recoil from anything they perceive to be overly flashy can be seen in the photo below of an Amish farm house decorated for Christmas.

[image]http://www.layoutcodez.net/personalized/google/Blank-Black510727016.gif[/image]

K.



Moonhead -> RE: Amish Jailed (1/13/2012 9:25:40 AM)

Good.
I don't see why the Amish should get a pass for ignoring the laws of the land when no other religion does.



Musicmystery -> RE: Amish Jailed (1/13/2012 9:29:43 AM)

I've no problem with allowing the Amish on the roads. I've no problem with appropriate accommodations. But if they choose to use the roads, safety measures are not an unreasonable request.

But this *isn't* about a religious freedom issue--it's about personal pride and ego.

The Holy Book has a few things to say on that topic, as I recall.

So I'd say the jailed are right where they want to be. Enjoy.



mnottertail -> RE: Amish Jailed (1/13/2012 9:32:38 AM)

So, it doesn't say Amish Jihad, as I first suspected.



Hillwilliam -> RE: Amish Jailed (1/13/2012 9:32:47 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata


I don't know what happened to make the other Amish thread disappear, but here's a follow-up.

A group of Amish men were sent to jail in western Kentucky Thursday for refusing to pay fines for breaking a state highway law that requires their horse-drawn buggies to be marked with orange reflective triangles.

The men have a religious objection to the bright orange signs, which they say are flashy and conflict with their pledge to live low-key and religious lives. Ananias Byler, the first of 10 Amish men due in Graves County District Court on Thursday, was sentenced to 10 days in jail.

Reference: CBS News

That the Amish recoil from anything they perceive to be overly flashy can be seen in the photo below of an Amish farm house decorated for Christmas.

[image]http://www.layoutcodez.net/personalized/google/Blank-Black510727016.gif[/image]

K.

Unfortunately, that's also what you see when one of their buggys is on the road at night.



mnottertail -> RE: Amish Jailed (1/13/2012 9:39:39 AM)

Well, pride goeth before the fall into the grave in this case.

I really don't remember any admonition in Leviticus against SMV signage.  I think that they may have a point in their shunning of ostentatious dress and trappings.  But the highly visible sign is not an outward show of gaudiness, and personal attention grabbing.  

But I think that it should be balanced with the admonition....

Therefore;  render unto Caesar.... 



Miserlou -> RE: Amish Jailed (1/13/2012 9:46:10 AM)

well, since many, many, many more amish have no problem with the reflective signs, i tend to think that these 10 are just raising a stink for the sake of it.



Moonhead -> RE: Amish Jailed (1/13/2012 9:46:54 AM)

Do they still make a point of having prisoners shave and get a haircut when they're banged up for less than a month?
That'll give them something else to moan about, I imagine...



tazzygirl -> RE: Amish Jailed (1/13/2012 9:47:31 AM)

What is wrong with the grey reflector tape? I have read they use that sometimes.



Moonhead -> RE: Amish Jailed (1/13/2012 9:49:42 AM)

If they're going to whine about religious oppression, maybe they could be forced to paint their buggies hot pink and put glow in the dark rims on the wheels as well?
[:D]
"Pimp My Buggy, Lord..."



tazzygirl -> RE: Amish Jailed (1/13/2012 9:56:04 AM)

OMG... dont even joke about that! It will end up on the new season of idiotic shows!

But, ya know... it would be funny if they started pimping each others' rides. lol

Or, Buggy Swap! How two sects switch buggies to improve their rides!



Real0ne -> RE: Amish Jailed (1/13/2012 10:45:36 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Good.
I don't see why the Amish should get a pass for ignoring the laws of the land when no other religion does.


you dont know the difference between regulations civil and laws of theland either

quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead

If they're going to whine about religious oppression, maybe they could be forced to paint their buggies hot pink and put glow in the dark rims on the wheels as well?

"Pimp My Buggy, Lord..."



fuck am I glad you are not american

now you know why the revolutionary war was fought, some things never change





Real0ne -> RE: Amish Jailed (1/13/2012 10:50:35 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

I've no problem with allowing the Amish on the roads. I've no problem with appropriate accommodations. But if they choose to use the roads, safety measures are not an unreasonable request.

But this *isn't* about a religious freedom issue--it's about personal pride and ego.

The Holy Book has a few things to say on that topic, as I recall.

So I'd say the jailed are right where they want to be. Enjoy.



really?

and yo uare qualified to make that assessment how again?  Mind reading perhaps?



Real0ne -> RE: Amish Jailed (1/13/2012 10:51:36 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata


I don't know what happened to make the other Amish thread disappear, but here's a follow-up.

A group of Amish men were sent to jail in western Kentucky Thursday for refusing to pay fines for breaking a state highway law that requires their horse-drawn buggies to be marked with orange reflective triangles.

The men have a religious objection to the bright orange signs, which they say are flashy and conflict with their pledge to live low-key and religious lives. Ananias Byler, the first of 10 Amish men due in Graves County District Court on Thursday, was sentenced to 10 days in jail.

Reference: CBS News

That the Amish recoil from anything they perceive to be overly flashy can be seen in the photo below of an Amish farm house decorated for Christmas.

[image]http://www.layoutcodez.net/personalized/google/Blank-Black510727016.gif[/image]

K.



proving you can wipe your ass with the first amendment.



LaTigresse -> RE: Amish Jailed (1/13/2012 10:54:41 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

What is wrong with the grey reflector tape? I have read they use that sometimes.


I believe it is simply a matter of law. Here, we have an orange reflective triangle that is supposed to be on ALL slow moving vehicles that are on the roads. The Amish here use them. Many also use flashing lights on the back.

The biggest danger I've seen, is the lack of speed. I know that, during summer, when the corn is high, if a vehicle comes around a bend that has corn planted as close to the road as possible, with no shoulder on the road, it could get a bit hairy for a buggy that might be trotting along the road. In the Kalona area, the state and county roads have been widened to accommodate both types of traffic. Where I live, they haven't. Someone will get hurt and it likely will not be whomever is driving the motorized vehicle.




Musicmystery -> RE: Amish Jailed (1/13/2012 2:28:23 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

I've no problem with allowing the Amish on the roads. I've no problem with appropriate accommodations. But if they choose to use the roads, safety measures are not an unreasonable request.

But this *isn't* about a religious freedom issue--it's about personal pride and ego.

The Holy Book has a few things to say on that topic, as I recall.

So I'd say the jailed are right where they want to be. Enjoy.



really?

and yo uare qualified to make that assessment how again?  Mind reading perhaps?


Always looking for an argument.

Ask yourself why.

"So I'd say" indicates an opinion. I am indeed privy to my own thoughts.




Real0ne -> RE: Amish Jailed (1/13/2012 4:42:06 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

I've no problem with allowing the Amish on the roads. I've no problem with appropriate accommodations. But if they choose to use the roads, safety measures are not an unreasonable request.

But this *isn't* about a religious freedom issue--it's about personal pride and ego.

The Holy Book has a few things to say on that topic, as I recall.

So I'd say the jailed are right where they want to be. Enjoy.



really?

and yo uare qualified to make that assessment how again?  Mind reading perhaps?


Always looking for an argument.

Ask yourself why.

"So I'd say" indicates an opinion. I am indeed privy to my own thoughts.





LOL

I do not need to "look" for an argyument when people talk like above.  They are shoved in my face.

The Amish have as much right to be on the road as you do and they have as much right to be in the buggy and you have no right ot tell them or anyone else what fucking religion they need to believe.

The "state" left them high and fucking dry and the MOB (you and moon) want to FORCE them to do according to YOUR RELIGION.

Mr Commerce



tazzygirl -> RE: Amish Jailed (1/13/2012 4:56:45 PM)

quote:

The "state" left them high and fucking dry and the MOB (you and moon) want to FORCE them to do according to YOUR RELIGION.


How were they left high and dry?



Kirata -> RE: Amish Jailed (1/13/2012 5:47:30 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

The Amish have as much right to be on the road as you do and they have as much right to be in the buggy and you have no right ot tell them or anyone else what fucking religion they need to believe.

Ohferchrissake, get a fucking grip. Nobody is telling them what religion to believe.

What they're being told is that their unlighted buggies are a menace and they need to obey the safety requirements mandated by law, just like everybody else. As with all liberties, freedom of expression is not absolute.

K.



mnottertail -> RE: Amish Jailed (1/13/2012 6:02:10 PM)

They Jail Amish, don't they?

Richard Harris



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