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Aynne88 -> RE: thanks for the dance. (1/13/2012 8:31:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aileen1968 I don't know much about the mental diagnosis, but I would tend to think that someone with this sickness and these highly developed multiple personalities still has one physical person and one brain at the core. The fact that there was a lot of nastiness that came out through some of these personalities leads me to believe that there is a lot of nastiness at the core of Bob. I personally won't miss them at all except for the soap opera train wreck aspect. Some of us caught on waaay back in the summer that there was something amiss. I'm more disgusted by the way the supporters got just as nasty to anyone that suspected or questioned. Bob's got a sickness. It's no excuse. You others don't have that sickness. You should all be embarrassed. Rock on. So pathetic. The supporters were even worse.

tazzygirl -> RE: thanks for the dance. (1/13/2012 8:31:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aileen1968 I don't know much about the mental diagnosis, but I would tend to think that someone with this sickness and these highly developed multiple personalities still has one physical person and one brain at the core. The fact that there was a lot of nastiness that came out through some of these personalities leads me to believe that there is a lot of nastiness at the core of Bob. I personally won't miss them at all except for the soap opera train wreck aspect. Some of us caught on waaay back in the summer that there was something amiss. I'm more disgusted by the way the supporters got just as nasty to anyone that suspected or questioned. Bob's got a sickness. It's no excuse. You others don't have that sickness. You should all be embarrassed. Those people were protecting who they considered friends. Hard to hold that against them. I foresee little healing, a lot of residual anger, a lot of mistrust continuing, and, maybe, for some, a willingness to listen when questions are asked.

Aileen1968 -> RE: thanks for the dance. (1/13/2012 8:35:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: ORIGINAL: Aileen1968 I don't know much about the mental diagnosis, but I would tend to think that someone with this sickness and these highly developed multiple personalities still has one physical person and one brain at the core. The fact that there was a lot of nastiness that came out through some of these personalities leads me to believe that there is a lot of nastiness at the core of Bob. I personally won't miss them at all except for the soap opera train wreck aspect. Some of us caught on waaay back in the summer that there was something amiss. I'm more disgusted by the way the supporters got just as nasty to anyone that suspected or questioned. Bob's got a sickness. It's no excuse. You others don't have that sickness. You should all be embarrassed. Those people were protecting who they considered friends. Hard to hold that against them. I foresee little healing, a lot of residual anger, a lot of mistrust continuing, and, maybe, for some, a willingness to listen when questions are asked. Mob mentality gets little respect from me.

LadyPact -> RE: thanks for the dance. (1/13/2012 8:38:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl LP. I, for one. do not hold anything you just said against you. I guess I am just still too angry to fully vent myself. You and I spoke about this privately some weeks back. Since then, much has found its way into my cmail... things I held on too and shared with very few. Because, by that point, the damage was done. I get the sneaky suspicion that we are being laughed at still. Im glad so many enjoyed the antics and found all this amusing. Some of us truly got hurt by what happened, not by the house itself, not by the attacks, but the peripheral attacks that occurred from other people we knew. I dont believe I can ever forgive many people over a lot of this. I do wish Bob good health and truly hopes he is seeking the help he claims he needs. Far beyond ironic, isn't it? When we have to be afraid of standing up and telling the truth will makes us the bad guy. I owe you an apology, tazzy. I didn't do enough when I saw you being persecuted by these various personalities. We both know what we have said privately, but that wasn't enough. I was wrong to hold on to that shred that there was some possibility that My gut wasn't right. For whatever I have done, or didn't do, I ask for you to forgive Me. I have been wrong in this matter. I hope that you and I shall continue in our unspoken agreement of decency and respect.

ResidentSadist -> RE: thanks for the dance. (1/13/2012 8:41:36 PM)
I truly wish no malice towards anyone, but MPD an excuse for sock puppets? I've seen it all now. just sayin'

LadyPact -> RE: thanks for the dance. (1/13/2012 8:43:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather Thank you all for everything. I wish I didn't have to go, I want to stay, I really really do, but VAA is right, it's probably for the best. I'm going to miss you all, everyone of you. Even Otterswim who is so mad at us, very early on he extended a hand in kindness to me when few wanted to. I'll always treasure you for that, and I'm sorry if I've caused you any pain, any of you. And I very much regret all the trouble I have caused the Mods, I really am sorry. Goodbye and good luck to you all. I am so going to miss you all, this site and all of you have been a very big and important part of my "life" for lack of a better word. You've taught me a lot about myself and well everything. I'm honoured that for a little while at least, you let me into your lives and I could partake of your world. Heather Anne Alles Menzies Have you no fucking shame?

barelynangel -> RE: thanks for the dance. (1/13/2012 8:43:44 PM)
Okay, i have to ask -- does anyone else think its a little hokey -- yes i am transplanted in TN which means i get to say hokey -- that we have a memorial thread for alteregos? I can see explaining what happened, i can even see hey bob, get well soon. It just seems especially with the posting of hannah profile and heather profile and i have a feeling others will come running in to wave goodbye that it was all a big joke and validating the BS that was created - and with the posting of these profiles -- being allowed to continue. angel

VideoAdminAlpha -> RE: thanks for the dance. (1/13/2012 8:50:48 PM)
I will be locking this thread in the morning. I am doing this for the site members, not the "alteregos", but I will be locking it in the am.

RexDarcy -> RE: thanks for the dance. (1/13/2012 8:51:44 PM)
Arpig, good look on the treatment.

tazzygirl -> RE: thanks for the dance. (1/13/2012 8:52:21 PM)
quote: Far beyond ironic, isn't it? When we have to be afraid of standing up and telling the truth will makes us the bad guy. I owe you an apology, tazzy. I didn't do enough when I saw you being persecuted by these various personalities. We both know what we have said privately, but that wasn't enough. I was wrong to hold on to that shred that there was some possibility that My gut wasn't right. For whatever I have done, or didn't do, I ask for you to forgive Me. I have been wrong in this matter. I hope that you and I shall continue in our unspoken agreement of decency and respect. I had truly started questioning myself after we spoke. The man kept reminding me that my bs meter was almost infallible. Jesus... ok.. I need to say this.. and VAA and the others can boot me for it if they want. Dont insult my intelligence. Dont tell me you are a cute sexy blonde, and take pics from a porn site that belong to a cute sexy latino or mixed race woman. Dont take pics from another porn site and use them as proof that your lover is actually your lover in a video. I knew something was wrong.. many people just "knew". Its instinct when things dont add up. New accounts attacking the same people as the older ones. Come on! No one else fucking noticed this shit? or was it more the case that everyone else was thankful it wasnt them being attacked. Guess what folks, we were held hostage by a man who claims he has multiple personalities and those few who believed in him and thought the sexy lesbians were cute. And, trust me, I am just as angry at myself for being dragged into all this bullshit. I would have stayed the hell out of it except they started attacking people I trusted and knew were actually simply doing their job to the best of their abilities. LP, there is very little you could do to ever lose my respect... even less now, thank you. Mods.. You have one hell of a job, thank you for the work you do every day. To those who didnt turn their backs on me... thank you for at least listening. And you all have my respect and my friendship. To the rest who decided cute lesbians could never lie, who believed it was cute to watch the drama instead of getting to the bottom of it all, who had no compulsion to sit on the side lines and remain quiet and watched while muching popcorn... Im sure you can guess my response. Im done with this whole fucking mess.

lizi -> RE: thanks for the dance. (1/13/2012 8:57:05 PM)
FR: Mental illness is an unfortunate fact of life that I wouldn't wish on anyone. Even though I realize that illness isn't always controllable, I have to say that Bob and his puppets went out of their way to cause dissent and strife. He pretty much lived for that. There was a dark undercurrent through all of his profiles of aggressively attacking other posters from time to time- some more than others but they all did it. Think of how many of them had been on moderation at least once. While I'm glad to have the explanation and closure given here, because the information does help heal things, there are still wounds out and about. Sure, this is the internet and I don't really care to some degree, but I still can't countenance playing games with people. I know he is supposedly unaware of things, maybe that is true, I just can't help but logically think that he had some inkling of what he was doing. If so, that is abusive. Maybe I'm completely wrong...I hope that I am. I'm just not at this point willing to give him a complete pass. Maybe I'll come around at some point, but over the time when all of the accounts were posting, when the truth started to come out, I kept seeing the similar attacking posting methods. I had to give credence to the idea, when it came about, that they were all one and the same because they all felt the same to me. Btw, it's just as damaging to be attacked by someone who is ill as it is by someone who is not. We will try to soothe that now by telling ourselves that he wasn't in control, but I keep coming back to that malicious twist that he and all of his socks had. The way that they all went in for the jugular with a bit of personal slander. It's the way that they all seemed to lie in wait for any weakness so they could exploit it, and the way that he personally seemed to relish conflict, that makes me pause and renders me unable in the end to excuse him right now. I just have to wonder. If he were generally supportive and positive I'd be the first here wishing him well, but he seemed to enjoy stirring the pot too much for me to see him as completely innocent. He wasn't always the shit stirrer, sometimes he had some positive words, but looking for ways to put others down was common trait that all of his personalities shared. In spite of all that, I do hope that he finds some type of inner peace and harmony.

barelynangel -> RE: thanks for the dance. (1/13/2012 9:00:52 PM)
VAA, i just hope that this send off attention so to speak, doesn't validate the beginning of all of the BS again simply under new nicks. As others have indicated, thank you for choosing to do the work to get to the bottom of it but more so that it's hopefully going to be the end of it. angel

DarkSteven -> RE: thanks for the dance. (1/13/2012 9:02:06 PM)
I have known some people with MPD. It's a weird thing. In a way, it might be a good thing letting everyone get a glimpse, although it's a form I've never seen before. Good luck to Bob and to the Haytch House people. I hope you learn to work seamlessly with each other.

BitaTruble -> RE: thanks for the dance. (1/13/2012 9:05:41 PM)
Before you leave, please consider taking down all the pictures of the innocent, young woman who are now plastered on the various kink websites you frequent. The ramifications of your behavior can't be calculated at this point, but you can, at least, try to mitigate any damage by doing the right thing. That's about all I can say without jeopardizing my own concerted effort to put more positive energy into the universe.

LadyPact -> RE: thanks for the dance. (1/13/2012 9:06:43 PM)
I'm not going to quote anyone here or attempt to refer to certain statements. When this gets pulled for whatever reason, I'm cool with that, too. Yeah, it is a little hokey. All we are being served here is minimal fucking bullshit. These boards have been hell for months. We were turned upside down and now we're all supposed to pat somebody on the head and tell them..... Awwww, it's ok. The fucking personalities that you made up in your head have every right to fuck people over because..... Oh, poor you.. You're sick. Everything is forgiven because, well..... you are ill. FUCK THAT!!!!! I have no more forgiveness for this situation than if someone murdered a family member and used an insanity defense. An illness doesn't change that a family member is dead, does it? (Oh, and it sickens Me that we all fell for the 'murdered' friend. I might fucking puke!!!!) At this time, I have hate in My heart.

WinsomeDefiance -> RE: thanks for the dance. (1/13/2012 9:08:39 PM)
As incredulous as all this is, you almost have to believe the DID - non malicious explanation. Otherwise, the unaldulterated malicious manipulation that would have had to take place, to perpetuate this entire situation is just too disturbing to wrap ones head around. I don't want to think that badly about anyone, so I'm just going to accept what might be unlikely is still within the realm of probable and go with that. Either way, I'm thankful that Alpha was able to handle the entire situation with discretion and grace; considering how very badly this could have turned out. I've seen forums torn apart and die off over way less. I really enjoy this place, and I'd hate to see it blaze and burn. The whole situation, no matter how you look at it, is just sad beyond words. I hope Bob gets the help he needs, and I hope those who have hard feelings over this entire situation find resolution in their own minds and hearts. WinD

lizi -> RE: thanks for the dance. (1/13/2012 9:10:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather Thank you all for everything. I wish I didn't have to go, I want to stay, I really really do, but VAA is right, it's probably for the best. I'm going to miss you all, everyone of you. Even Otterswim who is so mad at us, very early on he extended a hand in kindness to me when few wanted to. I'll always treasure you for that, and I'm sorry if I've caused you any pain, any of you. And I very much regret all the trouble I have caused the Mods, I really am sorry. Goodbye and good luck to you all. I am so going to miss you all, this site and all of you have been a very big and important part of my "life" for lack of a better word. You've taught me a lot about myself and well everything. I'm honoured that for a little while at least, you let me into your lives and I could partake of your world. Heather Anne Alles Menzies You know, the thought of time just struck me. Do you, Bob, have any idea how much time and effort you have wasted in the world at large? The time various posters on here have spent interacting on threads with the various socks, the time spent moderating them, the time cleaning up threads, the time all these good people have expended on emails, calls, etc. It's got to be days worth.....weeks even. That is not replaceable and it is invaluable. If you were indeed incapable of controlling yourself I suppose this can't be helped, we'll just all have to suck it up won't we? I did think it worth mentioning that you have utterly wasted resources here that others cannot get back. We aren't sick and we didnt conciously make the choice to charitably donate our time to be wasted. We interacted with you all out of good faith.

barelynangel -> RE: thanks for the dance. (1/13/2012 9:10:36 PM)
grins, you said hokey [:)]

LadyPact -> RE: thanks for the dance. (1/13/2012 9:20:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl quote: Far beyond ironic, isn't it? When we have to be afraid of standing up and telling the truth will makes us the bad guy. I owe you an apology, tazzy. I didn't do enough when I saw you being persecuted by these various personalities. We both know what we have said privately, but that wasn't enough. I was wrong to hold on to that shred that there was some possibility that My gut wasn't right. For whatever I have done, or didn't do, I ask for you to forgive Me. I have been wrong in this matter. I hope that you and I shall continue in our unspoken agreement of decency and respect. I had truly started questioning myself after we spoke. The man kept reminding me that my bs meter was almost infallible. Jesus... ok.. I need to say this.. and VAA and the others can boot me for it if they want. Dont insult my intelligence. Dont tell me you are a cute sexy blonde, and take pics from a porn site that belong to a cute sexy latino or mixed race woman. Dont take pics from another porn site and use them as proof that your lover is actually your lover in a video. I knew something was wrong.. many people just "knew". Its instinct when things dont add up. New accounts attacking the same people as the older ones. Come on! No one else fucking noticed this shit? or was it more the case that everyone else was thankful it wasnt them being attacked. Guess what folks, we were held hostage by a man who claims he has multiple personalities and those few who believed in him and thought the sexy lesbians were cute. And, trust me, I am just as angry at myself for being dragged into all this bullshit. I would have stayed the hell out of it except they started attacking people I trusted and knew were actually simply doing their job to the best of their abilities. LP, there is very little you could do to ever lose my respect... even less now, thank you. Mods.. You have one hell of a job, thank you for the work you do every day. To those who didnt turn their backs on me... thank you for at least listening. And you all have my respect and my friendship. To the rest who decided cute lesbians could never lie, who believed it was cute to watch the drama instead of getting to the bottom of it all, who had no compulsion to sit on the side lines and remain quiet and watched while muching popcorn... Im sure you can guess my response. Im done with this whole fucking mess. It means nothing now, but I give you My word that I did listen. Not that I expect that My word means anything here now. That's what we are left with.

FrostedFlake -> RE: thanks for the dance. (1/13/2012 9:22:32 PM)
A personal note to Heather. On the topic of the future. Long ago I noticed something. It caused me to write something down. I still have that scribbling that I sometimes call a poem. I have it because it seems to mean something to me. To everyone. You included. quote: MESSAGE TO A FRIEND You are what you think. Not what you think you are, just, what you think. That miraculous spark behind your eyes is very much more you than the whole of your body. Sit. Close your eyes. Breathe. Observe. If nothing you truly see, then watch for a while. Try to imagine nothing watching you, but don't try hard. Is there an end to it? Look to the edge of nothing. Look around. This is where you are. You are the only one here. Look around long enough and you will learn to see what it is you are looking around ... with. Amazing. To me. That each could be as I see myself, if I see clearly. But, then, the way I see it is just the way I see it, See? So. What do you see? ==================== Clearly, if what I wrote has value, then I missed a trick. There are people who are not alone when they close their eyes. This doesn't make them less, or more. But it does make them different. And those people have to address that difference in some effective way. It may be that is what is happening now. For Bob. And for those who Bob also is. It cannot be fun and I have no envy. Neither do I have pity, for there is no call for that. Yet. I am instead sympathetic. And I have a suggestion. There are certain philosophies that hold that upon the end, our substance returns to the source it origated in. There are many ways to dodge saying just what this source is. I will not dodge. I think that source is, for lack of a better word, God. I think God created the Universe not, as so many seem to suppose, so we tiny and odd beings might fight and kill and die to prove which is the twue religion. I think God did it be cause he was all alone. Because he wanted company. Wanted someone to talk to. Someone to be with. Because he wanted to meet someone new and wanted to be surprised now and then. All of these things an omnipotent omniscient ever present being cannot because of his very nature do. But he can make these things possible, by changing the nature of his being. I subscribe to the notion that the universe was created to provide a space for God to live in. Not as a single all knowing being but as millions of billions of trillions of tiny fragments of himself, all over the universe. Each capable of what God is not. Each an individual in the company of others. Living a life. Making friends and enemies. Dreaming dreams, and sometimes dreaming other things. Sound familiar? I have a hard time believing I exist because someone fucked someone. I don't believe I am going to simply vanish when I leave this backward pile of rubble that fancies itself a planet. And I don't believe I will forever remain the person I am right now. I am already different from the person I was just last week. And so are you. I wouldn't be saying these things if I didn't think they directly applied to your situation. You probably already understand what I am really saying. But I am going to have to drive the point home in any case. I see the people in my world as little bits of God. Each of whom will eventually return whence they came. I see most of the people in your world as little bits of Bob. Each of whom will eventually return whence they came. Your situation is different. Of course. Radically. You are, or were, all one person. And you could be again. I think that is largely a matter of choice. Your choice. Suzes'. Cheries'. Hanners'. And the rest. And this choice might not be a bad thing. Bob has said that you have as much right to your lives as he has to his. This is something that looks remarkably like love. A lot of people do a lot of things for love, not all of them nice. Others live and die without ever feeling love, coming or going. But not you. You are surrounded by it. And also have it within. The saying is, if you love something set it free. If it comes back to you, it is yours. If it doesn't, it never was. You have been set free. But where do you belong? This is something to talk over with the friends you have. Along with, would you be any less yourselves as one? Would you be any less alive? And, in what way could you all be closer to one another? Naturally, I regret the presumption and apologize.

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