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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 6:05:31 PM   
Politesub53


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Again,

Supposed "lies" arent the point here

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Blatant lies are not the same as oppositional speech. The notion that that fact iritates you doesnt surprise me one bit.

Nor does the fact you dont know the meaning of the word fascist.



Again, supposed lies are exactly the point. Why do you suport such a practice ?

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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 6:09:34 PM   
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supposed lies are all some have

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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 7:13:00 PM   
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Leftists have a strong fascist streak generally, and are always seeking to ban any form of speech that they feel threatens their failed ideology
it annoys me no end that so many of my compatriots in the gop feel the need to lie in order to support their ideology. why can't we just speak the truth and let our ideas stand or fall on that?

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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 7:31:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		They're not banning free speech, they're regulating what can be said during newscasts.

By that logic America banned free speech long ago when they decided you couldn't say "fucking cunt shit pig" during newscasts.

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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 7:46:51 PM   
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the CRTC stopped a corporation (who doesnt have the same rights as a person), from lying to canadians for profit.


The CRTC now decides who can broadcast and who cannot on the basis of whether or not they- the CRTC- approve of it, er, uh, I mean determine it to be true.

Which means your government now censors political speech.

Ask Mark Steyn about it.

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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 7:49:03 PM   
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Blatant lies are not the same as oppositional speech.


Not to you or me.
But the difference is not so clear to the CRTC.
We have more respect for freedom of speech here.

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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 8:33:27 PM   
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quote:

the CRTC stopped a corporation (who doesnt have the same rights as a person), from lying to canadians for profit.


The CRTC now decides who can broadcast and who cannot on the basis of whether or not they- the CRTC- approve of it, er, uh, I mean determine it to be true.

Which means your government now censors political speech.

Ask Mark Steyn about it.


How is it censored if they can still get the same national news you get?

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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 8:39:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

quote:

the CRTC stopped a corporation (who doesnt have the same rights as a person), from lying to canadians for profit.


The CRTC now decides who can broadcast and who cannot on the basis of whether or not they- the CRTC- approve of it, er, uh, I mean determine it to be true.

Which means your government now censors political speech.

Ask Mark Steyn about it.

Trucker. Come on man. Something is either true or it isnt. when people use video and purport it to be protestrs in Minnesota in February and there's people in shorts with palm trees in the background, someting's fishy.
When people post videos of protestors in Moscow and the writing on all the signs is in Greek, somethings fishy.

Either FOX lies a lot or they put a whole new definition on the word incompetent.

I'm not saying that CNBC and MSLSD don't do the same thing but the topic is about Fox and if we don't stay strictly with the topic, it gets pulled.


By the way, welcome back man. Been a while.

ETA. My understanding of what I have read about those crazy Canucks is that you can tell all the political lies you want as long as you say "This is an editorial"

What they don't like is a whole news station just doing political speech without regard for facts which is, unfortunately, what some American stations on both sides are doing.

If I'm wrong, will a Canadian set me straight eh?

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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 8:41:01 PM   
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Again,

Supposed "lies" arent the point here



Why not?  Canada refuses to permit lies.  Your position seems to be that this is prejudicial.  Are you trying to make the case that conservatives lie and liberals don't, so that discrimination against lying is biased?  Or is it that both lie, but you only consider conservative lies to be okay?  Exactly what about lying do you consider praiseworthy?




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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 8:42:27 PM   
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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 9:36:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

quote:

the CRTC stopped a corporation (who doesnt have the same rights as a person), from lying to canadians for profit.


The CRTC now decides who can broadcast and who cannot on the basis of whether or not they- the CRTC- approve of it, er, uh, I mean determine it to be true.

Which means your government now censors political speech.

Ask Mark Steyn about it.

no no no I think you lost the plot.. political speech? what happened to free speech, LMAO changing goalposts, backpeddalling? not on my time... go play on your own.


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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 10:06:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Censoring political speech would, in fact, be restricting speech.

What disturbs me is the assumption here that all conservatives lie, or that everyone on Fox lies. What about Alan Combs, Bob Beckel, Joe Jackson, Susan Estridge? None of them are conservatives, and they are on Fox.

Also, if you watch Fox (which of course I do on occasion) you would see that on every segment, there is a liberal as well as a conservative. You don't see this on the other networks. I personally wouldn't call it balanced, but it's more frequent than the mainstream media does it.

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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 10:09:44 PM   
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Censoring political speech would, in fact, be restricting speech.


And the news is not political speech...or at least shouldn't be.

Now, if Fox wants to air political speech, that's permitted. It just can't call it "the news."

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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 10:12:59 PM   
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If you ever get to TO Ill buy you a cawfee:)



Aww thanks.  Canada actually isn't that far from me.  Would be closer, of course if there was a ferry available for trips across Lake Erie.

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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 10:13:48 PM   
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Censoring political speech would, in fact, be restricting speech.

What disturbs me is the assumption here that all conservatives lie, or that everyone on Fox lies. What about Alan Combs, Bob Beckel, Joe Jackson, Susan Estridge? None of them are conservatives, and they are on Fox.

Also, if you watch Fox (which of course I do on occasion) you would see that on every segment, there is a liberal as well as a conservative. You don't see this on the other networks. I personally wouldn't call it balanced, but it's more frequent than the mainstream media does it.


For someone who only "on occasion" watches FOX, you sure rattle off a bunch of names from there.

Canada isn't banning political speech. they are banning deliberate lies colored as news.

Political speech can be (and usually is LOL) lies. All you have to do is say "This is a paid announcement in support of Joe Liar for Congress" and you're golden.

Unfortunately, the main mission of FOX has gotten away from news and become primarily "Political Speech". There's a little thing called truth in labeling. I can't sell horsemeat and call it Angus Beef and that's what some of our news stations are trying to do to us.


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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 10:20:03 PM   
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hmmmmm no one is banning free speech, no matter how you spin, parse or distort it
the CRTC stopped a corporation (who doesnt have the same rights as a person), from lying to canadians for profit.

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Banning oppositional speech or opinion is fascist

Fascists work to overturn free speech rights

its not even close to fascist
but dictionary definitions dont seem to matter much
The term Fascism was first used of the totalitarian right-wing nationalist regime of Mussolini in Italy (1922–43); the regimes of the Nazis in Germany and Franco in Spain were also Fascist. Fascism tends to include a belief in the supremacy of one national or ethnic group, a contempt for democracy, an insistence on obedience to a powerful leader, and a strong demagogic approach
from the oxford english dictionary
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/fascism


And Mussolini once said that fascism could be better accurately termed corporatism.
He also said that fascism...
"believes neither in the possibility nor the utility of perpetual peace. It thus repudiates the doctrine of Pacifism -- born of a renunciation of the struggle and an act of cowardice in the face of sacrifice. War alone brings up to its highest tension all human energy and puts the stamp of nobility upon the peoples who have courage to meet it. All other trials are substitutes, which never really put men into the position where they have to make the great decision -- the alternative of life or death...."

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/mussolini-fascism.asp

Sounds more like the war mongers and corporatists are embracing fascism than anybody on the left.


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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 10:21:33 PM   
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Censoring political speech would, in fact, be restricting speech.

What disturbs me is the assumption here that all conservatives lie, or that everyone on Fox lies. What about Alan Combs, Bob Beckel, Joe Jackson, Susan Estridge? None of them are conservatives, and they are on Fox.

Also, if you watch Fox (which of course I do on occasion) you would see that on every segment, there is a liberal as well as a conservative. You don't see this on the other networks. I personally wouldn't call it balanced, but it's more frequent than the mainstream media does it.



Dont you get it? One incident... ok.. an honest mistake. Two.. maybe... but go look back at how many apologies Fox has had to make for their erroneous reporting.


Never mind, I did it for you. Im all helpful like that... sometimes.

No US national news media broadcasts from Canada. Likely never will.

Why do you presume to tell another country what they can or cannot do?

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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 10:26:44 PM   
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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 10:28:26 PM   
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RE: Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lyi... - 1/14/2012 10:28:40 PM   
Lucylastic


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Status: offline 		Free speech has not been abolshed which was my point
I am more than well aware we have hate speech laws, however that has been the case since WAY before this particular incident.
IM perfectly fine with that,
When someone says from this incident that Canada has ABOLISHED FREE SPEECH.
its bull.
PLUS a corporation(as yet) does NOT Have the personhood rights that REAL people have
*THANK GOD* altho that might change under the waster we have now


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