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RE: fired for working - 1/17/2012 8:30:46 PM   
tazzygirl


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Status: offline 		If she had a past history they may have felt justified, even if proven wrong by the courts, to try and deny unemployment.

What is unusual is the reason for dismissal if she was a good respected employee. This oddity is what made me make think there was more to the firing then working during lunch.

I read rather well, tyvm

Now, you want to discuss passive aggressive? Your post is the textbook definition You coach your blame in "ifs". Which is typically where you and I get into it. You dont have the guts to say it right out, so you believe you are hiding it. But its been there, all along.

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RE: fired for working - 1/17/2012 8:42:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		No you don't read...because you failed to write where I specifically said in each post that the story could be as presented... I was showing both sides of the possibilities which you fail to consider... So it is ok for you to make up a possible reason for the actions but not me...You do this all the time tazzy… You are constantly expounding your opinion then disparaging others for doing the same.

I never said you were wrong just that in my opinion there was a possible different explanation.

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RE: fired for working - 1/17/2012 8:47:12 PM   
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It sounds ridiculous but you can be assured there was more to this firing then working through lunch. That was just the excuse to get rid of her.


Post 3.

No one blamed anyone until YOU started it.

Try again.

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RE: fired for working - 1/17/2012 8:49:21 PM   
kdsub


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Status: offline 		Yes I started with my opinion..that is all any of us are doing... you too...can't you see that

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RE: fired for working - 1/17/2012 8:54:04 PM   
tazzygirl


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Not words of an opinion

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I’ve had to do the very same thing over the years. Often an employee that is a bad worker will not do something bad enough at any one time to justify firing. So the boss is just waiting for the one mistake to get rid of them.


Strong insinuation.


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Why not...it just takes enough complaints by customers or fellow workers to get the bosses attention and start watching. I'll bet you have had to work with someone, maybe for years, I have...who is not performing to standards but not bad enough to get fired outright. Maybe a new boss or pressure on the company exposed this woman’s less then stellar work history.

It just comes down to common sense...no employer would use breaking that rule to fire a GOOD employee. If they had to downsize that would be straight forward and would not have to use that excuse. Of course none of us know the full story and that is my point. I am making assumptions but so are you.


the bolded part... yet again... strong insinuation.

And you cant even see it.

Unbelievable. No amount of saying... "I am making assumptions" changes the post after the fact.. a post you made by assuring every reader that it was true.

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RE: fired for working - 1/17/2012 8:57:40 PM   
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RE: fired for working - 1/17/2012 9:03:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was giving background through experience to explain to you why it was possible that working during lunch may not be the real reason for her firing but the excuse.

You should have also bolded where I said none of us know the full story and I am making assumptions...but so are you.

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RE: fired for working - 1/17/2012 9:05:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am making no assumptions. I merely said the facts were she won her unemployment suit.

What you may have intended, and how it came across, is two different things.

And since that is something you too frequently do, I am placing you on hide.

Enjoy your evening.

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RE: fired for working - 1/17/2012 9:08:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well we had better cool it and let those who are not bored to death with our harping make up their minds who is right or wrong before we get in trouble…again…

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RE: fired for working - 1/17/2012 9:59:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
But it went through that person, then a few courts. She was actually paid before this judgement. They were looking at reimbursement.

It shouldn't have gone through a few.  By that, I mean actual courts and NOT through the hearing that you can ask for within the agency if your benefits have been denied.  (It's a state agency, so you have to go through their appeal process first.)  During this phase, you can also reapply, so what you have are two different cases.  Your current application and any filing that you have for retroactive benefits.  Meaning the money that you would have received had your benefits been approved in the first place.

From the article:

quote:

She appealed to the Illinois Department of Employment Security's board of review three times, was denied, then took her case to a circuit court. That court ruled Smiley, who did not challenge the firing, was eligible for benefits.
Smiley received a check with a lump sum on Nov. 28 for several months of unemployment, a percentage of her previous salary. Then she received a check every two weeks for $528 until she obtained her latest job last month.
The lump sum that she received is still from the State's unemployment agency.  It's just the money that she would have collected had her claim been approved the first time.  It's considered a different matter (retroactive benefits) and usually takes longer to process than current benefits.  In other words, reimbursement to her, not the State from the employer.
They kind of skipped the part from the article that had printed prior: 
In this case, the issue was strictly whether Smiley's actions were misconduct and insubordination, which could disqualify her from unemployment benefits. A Cook County judge and appellate panel found that they weren't.

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RE: fired for working - 1/17/2012 10:08:33 PM   
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RE: fired for working - 1/18/2012 6:13:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		That is the concept in At Will employment, while a company can fire you for pretty much what they wish, they can't arbitrarily deny people unemployment benefits without a legit reason for firing someone.  So it's a catch 22 for employers, you can decide who you do and don't want working for you, but you don't hold the deciding factor if you pay UE benefits to that person.

I was laughing when i read the story because i work during lunch all of the time and its in our EE HB that they don't want us too lol.  My boss goes, hey do you think if i threaten to fire you, you'd actually take your lunch more often?  I said, well if you get me a file clerk, i'd be happy too.

To me, them firing her for this also indicates to me there was more here than is being said. 

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RE: fired for working - 1/18/2012 8:19:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		The thing that stuck out to me was the "new boss".

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RE: fired for working - 1/18/2012 8:33:28 AM   
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New boss, old secretary... they didnt get along. He wanted her to quit, she wouldnt, so they found a reason and poof


And... the above is not opinion or conjecture? but of course it is much more reasonable then ...

quote:

It sounds ridiculous but you can be assured there was more to this firing then working through lunch. That was just the excuse to get rid of her.


Oh I forgot...only your opinion is valid...even though we are saying the SAME THING...more to the story then working during lunch. I even wonder why we were arguing.

Sorry it is your fault that I am now practicing my new weapon...passive aggressive....

tazzy have a great day

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RE: fired for working - 1/18/2012 9:05:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Trying to avoid working through lunchtime is how I got into yoga in 1996. My boss would come into my office and talk or put me to work and I wasn't willing to say to her that I was on lunch. Lunchtime yoga or aerobics was available and I arbitrarily picked yoga because I didn't want to get sweaty. (I didn't know about Ashtanga at that time, but of course that's not what was offered by my employer.)

Then I started spending more a more time at the Kripalu Center for Yoga and Health and next thing I knew I was living there. Changed my life, and was an interesting change from my time in the USAF.

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