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kdsub -> RE: It's gonna be NASTY. (1/22/2012 11:41:23 AM)

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defninition that qualifies him as one of the dreaded 1%...



For the life of me I cannot understand people that think all in life and politics is divided along money lines...Just as many people with money are fine upstanding good hearted citizens as those without. Money means nothing when it comes to being a good human being and if you think different you are a bigot.

There are selfish… corrupt…people in the 99 percent. They are just not as smart or not as lucky. You show me someone who would turn down money to go from the 99% to the 1% and I’ll call them liars.

So why don’t people get off the stupid assed 1 percent crap and start picking out individuals that are corrupt and I’ll be right with you.

Just say Gindgrich is corrupt and I'll agree with you.

Butch




Lucylastic -> RE: It's gonna be NASTY. (1/22/2012 11:47:01 AM)

and I cannot understand why people continue to kiss the arses of the people who are in the 1% bracket
do you think they have a secret to share with you??




tj444 -> RE: It's gonna be NASTY. (1/22/2012 11:54:14 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Owner59
True,though he is a 1%,newt`s using OWS arguements.

I should have been clearer that Mitt was talking about himself.

He now is pretending to be free enterprise's`s champion claiming that he`s not elected,we`ll decline further.

In a big way,the next election will be between the callous,abusive ,anti-capitalist/anti-free market wealthy and their duped minions and folks who want to get back to the post Great Depression regulated,fair and honest form of capitalism and prudent stewardship of our economy that built it to one of the greatest in history.

I see.. Thats why I dislike Newt so much.. he is pretending to be something he isnt.. both politically and personally.. oh well.. at least its not me that has to sleep next to him.. I'll bet he snores like a freight train too.. [:D]




Owner59 -> RE: It's gonna be NASTY. (1/22/2012 11:57:23 AM)

Successful people should be respected and looked up to, it`s been that way from the beginning,even if that success is not financial.


The predator capitalists that Mitt represents are to/should be kicked to the curb,thrown in jail or deported.




tj444 -> RE: It's gonna be NASTY. (1/22/2012 12:03:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kdsub
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defninition that qualifies him as one of the dreaded 1%...


For the life of me I cannot understand people that think all in life and politics is divided along money lines...Just as many people with money are fine upstanding good hearted citizens as those without. Money means nothing when it comes to being a good human being and if you think different you are a bigot.

There are selfish… corrupt…people in the 99 percent. They are just not as smart or not as lucky. You show me someone who would turn down money to go from the 99% to the 1% and I’ll call them liars.

So why don’t people get off the stupid assed 1 percent crap and start picking out individuals that are corrupt and I’ll be right with you.

Just say Gindgrich is corrupt and I'll agree with you.

Butch

why are you picking on me!??? [:(] I say "dreaded" 1% tongue in cheek.. I sure as f**k wouldn't turn down the money to qualify myself.. (the thought of being subject to the whim of govt and stuck in a decrepit seniors warehouse scares the poop outta me!)..

and yes Gindgrich is corrupt imo!!! (but then imo most politicians are corrupt,.. just Newty is more corrupt than most)..




tj444 -> RE: It's gonna be NASTY. (1/22/2012 12:10:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Owner59
Successful people should be respected and looked up to, it`s been that way from the beginning,even if that success is not financial.

The predator capitalists that Mitt represents are to/should be kicked to the curb,thrown in jail or deported.

didnt Mitts father come to the US penniless? Isnt what his father and him have done the American dream? Did he do it illegally? Certainly he did not make the rules that allowed him to become wealthy.. I know a lot of voters hate him cuz of him using pre-existing laws that means he pays only 15% in tax, and has offshore account (which i am sure he has not used to dodge taxes).. I personally dont hold any of that against him,.. but I know that i am in a very small minority with that opinion..




tazzygirl -> RE: It's gonna be NASTY. (1/22/2012 12:17:13 PM)

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Isnt what his father and him have done the American dream?


And in the process crushed how many other dreams of Americans while he ravaged corporations?




FirmhandKY -> RE: It's gonna be NASTY. (1/22/2012 12:18:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: Owner59
Successful people should be respected and looked up to, it`s been that way from the beginning,even if that success is not financial.

The predator capitalists that Mitt represents are to/should be kicked to the curb,thrown in jail or deported.


didnt Mitts father come to the US penniless? Isnt what his father and him have done the American dream? Did he do it illegally? Certainly he did not make the rules that allowed him to become wealthy.. I know a lot of voters hate him cuz of him using pre-existing laws that means he pays only 15% in tax, and has offshore account (which i am sure he has not used to dodge taxes).. I personally dont hold any of that against him,.. but I know that i am in a very small minority with that opinion..

You may be a minority of the posting members, but not necessarily of the wider population.

Personally, while I don't always agree with you, I'm happy to see a pretty rational and reasonable person posting in the P&R forums. [8D]

Firm




tazzygirl -> RE: It's gonna be NASTY. (1/22/2012 12:24:28 PM)

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didnt Mitts father come to the US penniless?


Mitts grandfather left the US because he feared prosecution as a result of his polygamy lifestyle after George was born. Them being penniless was a result of his grandfather's religious belief.

Are you going to try and equate that with the people who were worker's in the businesses Mitt overloaded with debt?




kdsub -> RE: It's gonna be NASTY. (1/22/2012 12:51:00 PM)

I don't judge people by percent... I know many in the one percent and they are just a decent as you... money is not the measure of us...actions are. There are plenty in the 1 percent that are assholes fine call them out...but the majority...just as the 99 percent are good people... this money crap is just bigoted blind bullshit.

Butch




kdsub -> RE: It's gonna be NASTY. (1/22/2012 12:53:26 PM)

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I say "dreaded" 1% tongue in cheek


I apologize

Butch




subrob1967 -> RE: It's gonna be NASTY. (1/22/2012 1:19:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Isnt what his father and him have done the American dream?


And in the process crushed how many other dreams of Americans while he ravaged corporations?


I only hope he ravages government, and wasteful spending as well as he did business if he wins.




tazzygirl -> RE: It's gonna be NASTY. (1/22/2012 1:59:36 PM)

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I only hope he ravages government, and wasteful spending as well as he did business if he wins.


Yep, those off shore accounts he has will really be fat. [;)]

A bankrupt country full of more debt.

You really should think before hitting "ok"




Owner59 -> RE: It's gonna be NASTY. (1/22/2012 2:52:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Isnt what his father and him have done the American dream?


And in the process crushed how many other dreams of Americans while he ravaged corporations?


I only hope he ravages government, and wasteful spending as well as he did business if he wins.


Supplementing Mitt`s income with bush`s millionaire special tax-cuts so Mittens can pay only 15% is where the money is getting wasted.

Get your government waste straight before you go attacking Social Security Medicare and our safety net.



Probably the greatest propaganda victory was duping a shit-load of middle-class/working class Americans that their government was the source of their problems.




tj444 -> RE: It's gonna be NASTY. (1/22/2012 3:27:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Owner59

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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Isnt what his father and him have done the American dream?

And in the process crushed how many other dreams of Americans while he ravaged corporations?

I only hope he ravages government, and wasteful spending as well as he did business if he wins.


Supplementing Mitt`s income with bush`s millionaire special tax-cuts so Mittens can pay only 15% is where the money is getting wasted.
Get your government waste straight before you go attacking Social Security Medicare and our safety net.
Probably the greatest propaganda victory was duping a shit-load of middle-class/working class Americans that their government was the source of their problems.

Solyndra was what, exactly? (besides a big $500 million boo-boo)

I have read that Newt was the impetus for the reduction in captial gains tax.. that and..
Fifty percent of Speaker Gingrich’s tax plan goes to the top 1 percent
I cant say i blame anyone (including Mitt) with paying only what is legally required and investing that way.. I personally feel the mortgage interest tax break is unfair to non-homeowners but thats the law..

And Obama did decide to renew the various tax breaks and did not raise the capital gains tax, he had the chance to keep his political promise..
rated as a broken promise

[sm=popcorn.gif]





Owner59 -> RE: It's gonna be NASTY. (1/22/2012 3:52:38 PM)

Imagine Henry Ford or Thomas Edison being to timid to take risks.

Not every business or idea succeeds.

Jeezzz if we were that timid about investments or new ideas,we never would have made it to the moon and back.

Who knew that Chinese communist controlled/subsidized solar businesses would under-cut the price of solar cells and ruin the solar panel market?

Did you?






tazzygirl -> RE: It's gonna be NASTY. (1/22/2012 4:15:38 PM)

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Solyndra was what, exactly? (besides a big $500 million boo-boo)


http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2011/nov/15/americans-prosperity/solyndra-ad-president-barack-obama-taxpayer-money/

I wish people would fact check claims before making them




FirmhandKY -> RE: It's gonna be NASTY. (1/22/2012 4:22:08 PM)

Oh, so we didn't lose half a billion dollars to a politically connected solar firm?!

Good to know!  Learn new stuff here every day! [8D]

Firm




tj444 -> RE: It's gonna be NASTY. (1/22/2012 4:29:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Who knew that Chinese communist controlled/subsidized solar businesses would under-cut the price of solar cells and ruin the solar panel market?

Did you?

ummm.. they have under-cut everything else, why would solar be any different?

yeah, imo, it was forseeable..

eta- some inventors are working on an inexpensive solar "coating/paint".. thats the funny thing about business.. there is always someone somewhere trying to find a better, cheaper way of doing things (and potentially putting you out of business)..
http://www.engineering.utoronto.ca/About/Engineering_in_the_News/U_of_T_Engineers_Crack_Solar_Challenge.htm




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: It's gonna be NASTY. (1/22/2012 4:37:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

Oh, so we didn't lose half a billion dollars to a politically connected solar firm?!

Good to know!  Learn new stuff here every day! [8D]



Solyndra is just the TIP of the iceberg... MORE TO COME -- see below...

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VIDEO:  CBS NEWS Videohttp://youtu.be/R_bQgFBDZjo

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January 13, 2012 8:12 AM

Tax dollars backing some "risky" energy projects
By Sharyl Attkisson

WASHINGTON - Solar panel maker Solyndra received a $528 million Energy Department loan in 2009 - and  went bankrupt last year. The government's risky investment strategy didn't stop there, as a CBS News investigation has uncovered a pattern of cases of the government pouring your tax dollars into clean energy.

Take Beacon Power -- a green energy storage company. We were surprised to learn exactly what the Energy Department knew before committing $43 million of your tax dollars.

Documents obtained by CBS News show Standard and Poor's had confidentially given the project a dismal outlook of "CCC-plus."

Read the documents

Asked whether he'd put his personal money into Beacon, economist Peter Morici replied, "Not on purpose."

"It's, it is a junk bond," Morici said. "But it's not even a good junk bond. It's well below investment grade."

Was the Energy Department investing tax dollars in something that's not even a good junk bond? Morici says yes.

"This level of bond has about a 70 percent chance of failing in the long term," he said.

In fact, Beacon did go bankrupt two months ago and it's unclear whether taxpayers will get all their money back. And the feds made other loans when public documents indicate they should have known they could be throwing good money after bad.

It's been four months since the FBI raided bankrupt Solyndra. It received a half-billion in tax dollars and became a political lightning rod, with Republicans claiming it was a politically motivated investment.

CBS News counted 12 clean energy companies that are having trouble after collectively being approved for more than $6.5 billion in federal assistance. Five have filed for bankruptcy: The junk bond-rated Beacon, Evergreen Solar, SpectraWatt, AES' subsidiary Eastern Energy and Solyndra.

Others are also struggling with potential problems. Nevada Geothermal -- a home state project personally endorsed by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid --  warns of multiple potential defaults in new SEC filings reviewed by CBS News. It was already having trouble paying the bills when it received $98.5 million in Energy Department loan guarantees.

SunPower landed a deal linked to a $1.2 billion loan guarantee last fall, after a French oil company took it over. On its last financial statement, SunPower owed more than it was worth. On its last financial statement, SunPower owed more than it was worth. SunPower's role is to design, build and initially operate and maintain the California Valley Solar Ranch Project that's the subject of the loan guarantee.

First Solar was the biggest S&P 500 loser in 2011 and its CEO was cut loose - even as taxpayers were forced to back a whopping $3 billion in company loans.

Nobody from the Energy Department would agree to an interview. Last November at a hearing on Solyndra, Energy Secretary Steven Chu strongly defended the government's attempts to bolster America's clean energy prospects. "In the coming decades, the clean energy sector is expected to grow by hundreds of billions of dollars," Chu said. "We are in a fierce global race to capture this market."

Economist Morici says even somebody as smart as Secretary Chu -- an award-winning scientist -- shouldn't be playing "venture capitalist" with tax dollars. "Tasking a Nobel Prize mathematician to make investments for the U.S. government is like asking the manager of the New York Yankees to be general in charge of America's troops in Afghanistan," Morici said. "It's that absurd."

Does the government believe that this kind of economic support to these companies is a success story?


Source: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505263_162-57358484/tax-dollars-backing-some-risky-energy-projects/




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