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The title "Master" is not possessive. He isn't "your" Master, you don't own him. He owns you or someone else. When ever I hear someone use the term "my Master", I know they don't have a clue.

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First of all, I can til you have no true training as to what this lifestyle is about.

Every one starts as Submissive or as a Dominate under a mentor or trainer.

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ORIGINAL: LongFellow4U

First of all, I can til you have no true training as to what this lifestyle is about.

Every one starts as Submissive or as a Dominate under a mentor or trainer.

As a submissive train under a Mentor or a Master/Mistress.
when you have enough trust in your trainer you can be raised to the level of a slave.

As a Dominate you are trained to become a Mistress, if you are a woman and/or as a Master if you are a man.
Again when your training has brought you to the level of knowledge of how to use the equipment of out trade.

It is your Mentor or Trainer who tills you when you can be called a Master or a Mistress.

What happens is new people who fine this lifestyle, Name them self with out any training and end up hurting others by there like of knowledge. and here is where we get the title of New bee's or want to bee's



So every one who is living this life style and has never trained under a Mentor, needs to do so, no matter if you have been a so called master or mistress for a long time. you still need to learn from the old school Master's and Mistress's


NOTE: NO CAP'S are used for a untrained master or mistress. only after they are trained do they get the Cap's on the titles

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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

Perhaps my age is showing.  It always rubs me the wrong way when I see the roots of BDSM fall into disuse.  Protocols respecting rank were at the heart of BDSM in its birth.  I'm sure you all know the old leathermen story about the military being the first homosexual experiences for many men and they took that military discipline (as in the D in BDSM) to heart when they took up leather upon their return home. 

So to me and many others familiar with the origins of BDSM, a large part of the D in BDSM stands for the discipline of rank and order which is displayed through protocols.  Those protocols involve addressing people of rank and station with respect and by their titles.  If you can't do that, you aren't into BDSM where I come from.  To me, seeing those protocols fall into disuse seems to fly in the face of what BDSM is.  It's like rewriting the constitution, many will be resistant to it.   

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ORIGINAL: Epytropos
Honorifics are complex. They mean something different to everyone, and while there are "correct" definitions of each as RS touches on, they are in such disuse that attempting to use them properly will often lead to confusion in many circles. I used to be in the habit of using "sir" in conversation with my equals (such as they are) but it became tiresome to explain it so I've refrained.

For my bit, I let subs in the general population refer to me however they like (within reason, of course - I'll likely not respond to "cockmuffin" more than once or twice lol) with the exception that no one calls me Master without permission. All things being equal, I respond well to subs who use Sir on first contact, but I by no means demand it. It strikes me as a sign of natural submission and/or decent breeding, both of which I hold in high regard. So long as people show basic respect and comport themselves with dignity I'm quite flexible.

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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

Perhaps my age is showing.  It always rubs me the wrong way when I see the roots of BDSM fall into disuse.  Protocols respecting rank were at the heart of BDSM in its birth.  I'm sure you all know the old leathermen story about the military being the first homosexual experiences for many men and they took that military discipline (as in the D in BDSM) to heart when they took up leather upon their return home. 

So to me and many others familiar with the origins of BDSM, a large part of the D in BDSM stands for the discipline of rank and order which is displayed through protocols.  Those protocols involve addressing people of rank and station with respect and by their titles.  If you can't do that, you aren't into BDSM where I come from.  To me, seeing those protocols fall into disuse seems to fly in the face of what BDSM is.  It's like rewriting the constitution, many will be resistant to it.   

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ORIGINAL: Epytropos
Honorifics are complex. They mean something different to everyone, and while there are "correct" definitions of each as RS touches on, they are in such disuse that attempting to use them properly will often lead to confusion in many circles. I used to be in the habit of using "sir" in conversation with my equals (such as they are) but it became tiresome to explain it so I've refrained.

For my bit, I let subs in the general population refer to me however they like (within reason, of course - I'll likely not respond to "cockmuffin" more than once or twice lol) with the exception that no one calls me Master without permission. All things being equal, I respond well to subs who use Sir on first contact, but I by no means demand it. It strikes me as a sign of natural submission and/or decent breeding, both of which I hold in high regard. So long as people show basic respect and comport themselves with dignity I'm quite flexible.

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ORIGINAL: orimotis69

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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

Perhaps my age is showing.  It always rubs me the wrong way when I see the roots of BDSM fall into disuse.  Protocols respecting rank were at the heart of BDSM in its birth.  I'm sure you all know the old leathermen story about the military being the first homosexual experiences for many men and they took that military discipline (as in the D in BDSM) to heart when they took up leather upon their return home. 

So to me and many others familiar with the origins of BDSM, a large part of the D in BDSM stands for the discipline of rank and order which is displayed through protocols.  Those protocols involve addressing people of rank and station with respect and by their titles.  If you can't do that, you aren't into BDSM where I come from.  To me, seeing those protocols fall into disuse seems to fly in the face of what BDSM is.  It's like rewriting the constitution, many will be resistant to it.   

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ORIGINAL: Epytropos
Honorifics are complex. They mean something different to everyone, and while there are "correct" definitions of each as RS touches on, they are in such disuse that attempting to use them properly will often lead to confusion in many circles. I used to be in the habit of using "sir" in conversation with my equals (such as they are) but it became tiresome to explain it so I've refrained.

For my bit, I let subs in the general population refer to me however they like (within reason, of course - I'll likely not respond to "cockmuffin" more than once or twice lol) with the exception that no one calls me Master without permission. All things being equal, I respond well to subs who use Sir on first contact, but I by no means demand it. It strikes me as a sign of natural submission and/or decent breeding, both of which I hold in high regard. So long as people show basic respect and comport themselves with dignity I'm quite flexible.

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Constitutions can be amended to change or get rid of old out dated rules.

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ORIGINAL: LongFellow4U

First of all, I can til you have no true training as to what this lifestyle is about.

Every one starts as Submissive or as a Dominate under a mentor or trainer.
No, they don't.


As a submissive train under a Mentor or a Master/Mistress.
when you have enough trust in your trainer you can be raised to the level of a slave.
Some submissives have no desire to ever be slaves. Some slaves have never been submissive. They are not on different levels. They are just labels people attach to themselves to explain their position in a relationship.

As a Dominate you are trained to become a Mistress, if you are a woman and/or as a Master if you are a man.
Dominate is a something you do, not something you call yourself. And not all dominants are trained. Oh and some females will use the term Master.

Again when your training has brought you to the level of knowledge of how to use the equipment of out trade.
equipment of out trade?
It is your Mentor or Trainer who tills you when you can be called a Master or a Mistress.
Anyone can call themselves master or mistress. Whether they can get people to submit to them is another story, but mentors and trainers really don't have squat to do with it.

What happens is new people who fine this lifestyle, Name them self with out any training and end up hurting others by there like of knowledge. and here is where we get the title of New bee's or want to bee's
You mean like you just did with this post?


So every one who is living this life style and has never trained under a Mentor, needs to do so, no matter if you have been a so called master or mistress for a long time. you still need to learn from the old school Master's and Mistress's
Ok, tell us the truth. You are advertising for an online training site, aren't you?

NOTE: NO CAP'S are used for a untrained master or mistress. only after they are trained do they get the Cap's on the titles
Did you get this one out of the True Way Training Manual or did you make it up all by yourself?

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I don't like Sir. That's what you call commissioned officers. If someone can spend 20 years in the military and never earn the right to be called "Sir", then why should having a preference for being dominant in relationships earn you the right?

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ORIGINAL: LongFellow4U
Every one starts as Submissive or as a Dominate under a mentor or trainer.

As a Dominate you are trained to become a Mistress, if you are a woman and/or as a Master if you are a man. Again when your training has brought you to the level of knowledge of how to use the equipment of out trade.

NOTE: NO CAP'S are used for a untrained master or mistress. only after they are trained do they get the Cap's on the titles

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact



2.  When it comes to Master, the way I see it is that anybody using it had better fit into one of three categories:

A leather person who has earned their old leather.

A Gorean Free Man

A person in a dynamic with a slave (or by a stretch a prior slave) who calls that person that title.

Just about anybody else, I'll be polite, but I'm not going to have a great first impression.

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ORIGINAL: fragilepieces

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Well, to start with, Master is kind of used as meaning more, as in that person has perhaps more time in the lifestyle, more experience, or more knowledge in an area. So it's kind of like you start out as a Sir, and then grow into being a Master. There is also the distinction of Master/slave, or Sir/submissive - it kind of denotes what type of BDSM relationship you have.

Damn it 20 plus years doing this and I am just hearing this NOW?

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ORIGINAL: seababy

LMAO! This is a joke right? Niney have you made a sock?

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ORIGINAL: seababy

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ORIGINAL: LongFellow4U

First of all, I can til you have no true training as to what this lifestyle is about.

Every one starts as Submissive or as a Dominate under a mentor or trainer.

As a submissive train under a Mentor or a Master/Mistress.
when you have enough trust in your trainer you can be raised to the level of a slave.

As a Dominate you are trained to become a Mistress, if you are a woman and/or as a Master if you are a man.
Again when your training has brought you to the level of knowledge of how to use the equipment of out trade.

It is your Mentor or Trainer who tills you when you can be called a Master or a Mistress.

What happens is new people who fine this lifestyle, Name them self with out any training and end up hurting others by there like of knowledge. and here is where we get the title of New bee's or want to bee's



So every one who is living this life style and has never trained under a Mentor, needs to do so, no matter if you have been a so called master or mistress for a long time. you still need to learn from the old school Master's and Mistress's


NOTE: NO CAP'S are used for a untrained master or mistress. only after they are trained do they get the Cap's on the titles

LMAO! This is a joke right? Niney have you made a sock?

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ORIGINAL: orimotis69


1. Do subs/slaves prefer to use the word Master or Sir?

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2. What is your opinion on some people in the BDSM community using titles?