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MstrssPassion -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 4:59:04 AM)

All new profiles are fresh meat in the pool of sharks

There is a setting that allows you to view new profiles & I would assume this is the feature that is being used.

I noticed a profile the other day when I signed on... in the journal the user spoke about the horrible things that were being wrote to her. I wrote her a short not telling her that many newcomers to the site are overwhelmed by email... some good, some really bad. I told her to check out the boards... & that was it.

It is a shame that many new users may be turned off & cancel their account before ever really experiencing the site. The sharks tend to go away within the first week or so & if you ignore them completely they go away faster.

To bad there isn't a way to warn new users about the site sharks.

(hint to the powers that be)




TNstepsout -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 5:11:36 AM)

Ok I'm just wondering, what did her disability have to do with it? Was she abused over the fact that she had a disability? If so, that's just wrong and should be reported. As that goes far beyond the boundaries of borish/clueless.

Otherwise, if it's just the regular old horny goat kinds of emails I think she just needs to grow a thicker skin. It seems pretty wimpy to me to give up after only 3 days because a few idiots were rude. She says herself she got a lot of support, so what's the problem? Life is like that, you get good stuff and you get bad stuff. You can choose where to focus your thoughts and what to dwell on. If you choose the bad stuff, you will generally have the outlook on life that bad stuff always happens to you and feel victimized and powerless.





Dustee -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 5:19:22 AM)

Good advice everyone.  I have a couple things to add. A common personality trait found among submissive women is emotional vulnerability and even extreme sensitivity. While it's quite easy to blithely say, "thicken your skin or don't go online," please realize that some of us have been trying to do the first half of  this for years, even decades, and not succeeded  very well at it--probably because, for whatever reason, we are not constitutionally capable of it and maybe also because our particular personality or physical appearence generates far more and far more frequent virrulent hatemail than those of you who recommend skin-thickening have ever had to deal with. Telling someone to "just" thicken their skin is often about as useful and as insightful as telling someone with a powerful physical addition to "just" quit. If such people could "just" do such things in such a facile fashion, don't you think they would have done them by now?  Far better, in my opinion, would be to give such people specific, detailed, helpful tips on how such skin-thickening (or adidiction-breaking) can be sucessfully acomplished! Share your experience and skills in ways that are useful to others.

As for the second part of that statement, the "don't go online,"  it's totally unrealistic. It can be dangerous, difficult, and far worse (in terms of emotional disappointment, stalking behavior, rape by "well respected members of the bdsm community" posing as bdsm, etc.) for a submissive woman to find a dominant via real life, face-to-face venues. Shy people frequently find  in-person "kinky meets" such as munches, very off-putting. The range of available partners is also extremely limited when you go the "real life" route and the chances of you meeting someone personally compatible are considerably reduced.  If a woman has an extreme need for this sort of relationship, online is pretty much the only sensible way to go. And if she's "different" in any way (it isn't just the handicapped who get picked on: the overweight, the old, and the women who are less than phsyically desirable in any way get the same sort of horrific rudeness) she will get treated to muliple hateful attacks on bdsm boards by people whose idea of dominance is gradeschool playground bully antics.  To decrease some of the hate that gets flung at you, a vulnerable person who is incapable of forming a "thick skin"  can do the following:

--Do not post a picture in your personal-ad profile and only send your photo to those who have written you several (not just one) decent emails. State that this is your policy in your  profile.

--Likewise, for the sake of honesty, mention in public that you have a disability if you have one, but do not state what it is.  Again, say that you will tell correspondents or chatters who are not troubled by such things about it in detail after some trust has been established.  By keeping it general, you take away anything specific the immature can target, and they'll move on to an easier, more obvious target to spew hatred toward. You do need to mention it exists, however, otherwise you will be cconstantly disappointed by indiividuals constitutionally incapable of handling someone with a disability turning tail and running from you or accusing you of horrible dishonesty (to mask their own weakness) as soon as they find out.

--Do not rely on personal-ad sites as your only online venue for meeting dominants. Try bdsm chatrooms and messageboards (preferably ones not connected with any personal-ad sites) or perhaps even start a blog or participate on a popular one as low-key and more natural ways of getting to know people and developing a support network of friends and acquaintances.  In all such places, a general rule of thumb is that the more decent people talk openly and publically on the board or in the room. They will not privately message you without first getting to know you and what you are looking for in the public space.

The other thing I wanted to say was that, in my experience, collarme support staff and moderators will respond to extreme forms of abuse that are clearly documented and verifiable (for example, clear identity theft,  "parody" profiles, journal entries that mention your username, or constant stalking harassment from a single individual creating  multiple new profiles to harass you with each time you block an old one--by "multiple new profiles," I mean harassment from more than three or four different IDs who clearly are the same individual or who claim to be "friends" of that individual.) The "report" button does not always have an option that covers these kinds of abuse, but at the bottom of the collarme home page is an email link called Support. If you use that link casually to report the standard  "he was mean to me!" sorts of emails that every woman on this site gets you will not recieve a reply but if it's what the staff considers an extreme sort of harassment,  they do look into it.
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smilezz -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 5:19:57 AM)

I have this really cool feature.......it's called:  Delete

I think it's sad that people get messages like this, but honestly.........delete them and forget what that person typed.   Why give a person that much power over you?  especially someone you have never met. 

Good luck..

~smilezz~




SilentHunter -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 5:25:49 AM)

I feel quite bad as I have brought many friends/subs/doms here many times, just for them to leave within a few days, because of the harrasing so called doms, my slave has refused point blank to come here because of the messages that she read and been told about by friends here, and TBTH (To Be Totally Honest) It states plainly on my profile, im not looking to add to the unit i have, nor do i want to release the slave i have to move in with another. I still get them however.
 
 The disability issue, has reared its head to a friend of mine i have been talking to a for a few days, I know that people with disabilities have to fill the need within them too, as someone that knows, (i have a physical and mental disability and my slave a mental one, mine through work anda past experience, and my ex's with her ex husband) that just because you have a disability you can't work around it. My view is that just because a profile doesn't match that of a seeking dominant, he or she, has no right to leave a nasty message to that person.
 
*steps down fronm the soap box now*




jezabelKH -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 5:53:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: wumpus

G'day everyone.

I want to put up a rather unpleasant topic for discussion: Abusive messages to a new member (female sub with a disability) that lead to her leaving the site after only 3 days.

I came across her profile the day she signed on and found it to be quite open implying her to be an open, natural young lady who knows what she wants and doesn't let her disability get in her way unnecessarily.

The next day she was shocked to have received a bunch of offensive messages: "I am not having much luck just a few rather unpleasant e mails." Seemingly I was not the only one writing here something supportive and encouraging as, less than one day later, she beamed about all the support she was getting. Fine so far (I thought).

Then, on the third day, I read she had decided to leave after receiving another bunch of rude messages:

"I have decided to leave the site , thank you for all the messages of support but i am not a very confident person and all the bullying has started to get to me. Its seems you can do nothing right on here. If you dont reply thats rude, if you do reply out of courtesy with a quick thank you, you get bombarded with e mails demanding chats photos and messenger names, If you ignore that you get accused of being fake or a wannabee."

Now, this is not the first time I see a user stating she got this kind of rude communication. And not the first time I see a user leave because of that.

I would like to know what you think about:

* rude behaviour and rude messages to other members (mainly from Doms to subs, I guess?)
* offensive messages to members who openly state they have a disability (i find this disgusting!)
* not answering messages (requests for communication) at all
* compliance to general netiquette on Collarme (and should it be enforced? e.g. kick out users who continuously insult/offend others?)


Kind regards


Master William


PS: I found no forum concerning Collarme stuff. So I hope this was the right place to post. Maybe such a forum would be a good idea?


Sir,

You are going to find rude people everywhere, at walmart, at mcdonalds,  on your own street. I would be nice if E/everyone was polite in their emails, if E/everyone responded to their emails, and if E/everyone treated E/everyone with respect....but W/we can not controll other people........but W/we can control O/ourself, and one person at a time CAN make a difference. So keep the faith and have the girl come back and try again....just a little thicker skin....maybe change her profile and have a friend be a moderator for her. just my two cents.

sincerely,
jezabel {kh}
just simply a slave
Property Of Master Ken




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 5:58:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: wumpus
* rude behaviour and rude messages to other members (mainly from Doms to subs, I guess?)

That's online life.  Delete and move on.
quote:


* offensive messages to members who openly state they have a disability (i find this disgusting!)

That's online life.  Delete and move on.
quote:


* not answering messages (requests for communication) at all

We've got about 50 threads on that.  No one will be happy.
quote:


* compliance to general netiquette on Collarme (and should it be enforced? e.g. kick out users who continuously insult/offend others?)

Users are kicked out if reported and found to be a consistent problem to others.

We're adults.  We're online.  I'm sorry if someone gets upset over it- but if they can't deal with people being rude online, how on earth do they function offline?




irishbynature -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 6:01:41 AM)

Totally agrees with wumpus! 




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 6:16:40 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Dustee
Telling someone to "just" thicken their skin is often about as useful and as insightful as telling someone with a powerful physical addition to "just" quit. If such people could "just" do such things in such a facile fashion, don't you think they would have done them by now?  

And about as useful as telling the idiots to stop being idiotic.

As long as you accept the consequences of your thin skinned over sensitive self, then there's no problem.  But people suggesting that idiots should stop being idiots is about as useful and likely as people suggesting that thin skinned people should stop being thin skinned.

They aren't going to change what they do, and there are always more of them.  If it's your own self and reactions which are preventing you from enjoying what you want to enjoy, you have to either accept it or change it.




Kedikat -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 6:25:26 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BitaTruble

quote:

* rude behaviour and rude messages to other members (mainly from Doms to subs, I guess?)


Tis life on the net. It sucks, but it's accurate and that's why Collarme gave us a 'block' and a 'delete' button. I use them quite often.

quote:

* offensive messages to members who openly state they have a disability (i find this disgusting!)


Those who do such nasty things are not worth the effort to even worry about. Block, delete. That's the mantra of the day for such ilk.

quote:

* not answering messages (requests for communication) at all


Personal choice. I answer most, but not all emails because some are just too stupid for words and others have cyber stalker written all over them.
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* compliance to general netiquette on Collarme (and should it be enforced? e.g. kick out users who continuously insult/offend others?)


For the forums, the moderators doing a pretty good job and on the other side, you can always write to support with your complaints for insulting/offensive emails.

All in all, if you want to cruise the net, especially in BDSM, you need to have a thick skin to put up with those who get off on hurting others.

Celeste


What she said.
And she has said other smart, dirty, interesting things too. :)




MstrssSatin -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 6:39:15 AM)

Things my grandmother taught me:

"If you can't say something nice, sit down and shut up."
"Use your manners, they're free."
"Ignore hateful people, it makes them mad."
My favorite: "Say it nice once, if that doesn't work then say it like you want to."




GddssBella -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 6:41:08 AM)

G'morning all:


William, as deplorable as it sounds, that's life in cyber space. There's good and bad. It's up to the individual to filter out the muck then use our buddies block and delete. I suggest the search function. It does wonders for these tired old topics.

quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

We're adults.  We're online.  I'm sorry if someone gets upset over it- but if they can't deal with people being rude online, how on earth do they function offline?

They aren't going to change what they do, and there are always more of them.  If it's your own self and reactions which are preventing you from enjoying what you want to enjoy, you have to either accept it or change it.


Never have truer words been spoken.

Dustee, no offense, but attributing those traits primarily to female subs is just nonsense. I personally know several that would blister the skin off someone's ears if they so much as said something inappropriate. If a person's that much of a fragile flower, they're in the wrong lifestyle.

Sometimes you just have to jump in with both feet. Otherwise, you'll find yourself watching everyone else having fun. Common sense may not be so common but everyone needs to exercise it more.


Stay safe, play nice, & share your toys w/ others...


[:D]


Bella




pinkee -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 6:41:46 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: wumpus

G'day everyone.

I want to put up a rather unpleasant topic for discussion: Abusive messages to a new member (female sub with a disability) that lead to her leaving the site after only 3 days.

I came across her profile the day she signed on and found it to be quite open implying her to be an open, natural young lady who knows what she wants and doesn't let her disability get in her way unnecessarily.

The next day she was shocked to have received a bunch of offensive messages: "I am not having much luck just a few rather unpleasant e mails." Seemingly I was not the only one writing here something supportive and encouraging as, less than one day later, she beamed about all the support she was getting. Fine so far (I thought).

Then, on the third day, I read she had decided to leave after receiving another bunch of rude messages:

"I have decided to leave the site , thank you for all the messages of support but i am not a very confident person and all the bullying has started to get to me. Its seems you can do nothing right on here. If you dont reply thats rude, if you do reply out of courtesy with a quick thank you, you get bombarded with e mails demanding chats photos and messenger names, If you ignore that you get accused of being fake or a wannabee."

Now, this is not the first time I see a user stating she got this kind of rude communication. And not the first time I see a user leave because of that.

I would like to know what you think about:

* rude behaviour and rude messages to other members (mainly from Doms to subs, I guess?)
* offensive messages to members who openly state they have a disability (i find this disgusting!)
* not answering messages (requests for communication) at all
* compliance to general netiquette on Collarme (and should it be enforced? e.g. kick out users who continuously insult/offend others?)


Kind regards


Master William


PS: I found no forum concerning Collarme stuff. So I hope this was the right place to post. Maybe such a forum would be a good idea?


This is revolting.  Too bad she wasn't here long enough to alert the Mods.
 
pinkee




Aileen68 -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 7:06:49 AM)

I could see being upset if you were at a munch or a club and people were rude and getting into your personal space. 
But this is ONLINE.  Try just laughing at their stupidity and be happy that you are among the more intelligent members of the group.
Delete and get over it.  How do some people survive in real life if this kind of crap does them in?




OedipusRexIt -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 8:17:08 AM)

So many people hide behind the interenet and do all sorts of shitty things.  It's true, one does need to develop the ability to shrug it off whenever it happens.

I've been flamed/blocked a couple of times.  The first time, it pissed me off.  One always feels the need to "react".  I got over that, and now just shake my head at the manifest insecurities that cause one to do the the flame and block.  One particular flame was so out of left field, I did put it word-for-word in my journal.  Got lots of emails from people after that saying what a crazy!

An interesting thread to start.  Many of the comments have been in line with my own thoughts.  Ergo..... they must be correct! 
:)




jaydee52 -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 8:34:06 AM)

Hi, everyone.

I emailed the girl we are talking about; a rather pleasant and chatty message, in my opinion. I wasn't expecting a reply and I wasn't upset that I never got one
UNTIL
I read her journal entry ... "I am not having much luck just a few rather unpleasant e mails". I felt a bit hurt, to tell you the truth, and emailed her hoping that she wasn't including mine, and if she'd received so few nice ones why hadn't she answered me. It seemed a reasonable question.

If I contributed to her unhappiness then I apologise.

Jim.

PS She didn't leave the site. She was logged on about 5 minutes ago. Is she winding us all up?




ModeratorEleven -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 8:38:11 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: pinkee

This is revolting.  Too bad she wasn't here long enough to alert the Mods.

Moderators have nothing to do with email.  If people are having trouble on the other side of the site, they need to contact Support.  

XI




RavenMuse -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 9:05:21 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: jaydee52
PS She didn't leave the site. She was logged on about 5 minutes ago. Is she winding us all up?


Try the fact that some have been continuing to talk to the girl and help her have the confidence to Block and delete any 'problematic' mails rather than let them get to her.... Rather than jump to the conclusion that she is 'winding people up'!




jaydee52 -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 9:16:45 AM)

Just asking the question, pal.




RavenMuse -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 9:30:12 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: jaydee52
Just asking the question, pal.


I'm sure you where sunshine.... And I'm sure it 'seemed' a "Reasonable question" to you. Not a hint of passive agressive accusation there at all and no doubt a fine example of your usual tone and style?




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