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jaydee52 -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 10:14:39 AM)

Oooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhh, as Basil Brush would say :-)

As I said, it wasn't the fact that she never replied that hurt my poor feelings, it was the comment that she'd just (in the sense of only) received  unpleasant replies. If you want, and in a spirit of friendship, I'll email you my original message to her, and you can make your own mind up whether it was unpleasant.




RavenMuse -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 10:19:37 AM)

Not needed.... as I was, as you put it... just asking the question..... pal [;)]

I doubt you where one of those causing upset, from what I gathered they where definatly not 'borderline' or open to mistaking the intent to cause offence.

But no, the young lady is hopefully going to stick around and not be brow beaten by the idiot brigade out there.

And Basil would have been better off saying "Get your hand out of my arse Mr Derek!"[:D]




TNstepsout -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 10:48:55 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Dustee

Good advice everyone.  I have a couple things to add. A common personality trait found among submissive women is emotional vulnerability and even extreme sensitivity. While it's quite easy to blithely say, "thicken your skin or don't go online," please realize that some of us have been trying to do the first half of  this for years, even decades, and not succeeded  very well at it--


Somewhat true, but I have to disagree that it's impossible to grow thicker skin. I grew up in an EXTREMELY passive family. I was taught not to be assertive, aggresive, competitive or ambitious. I was taught to "play nice", always think of others first, think of others feelings and be fair ALWAYS. It was a pretty big shock when I made my way into the real world of every man for himself, and had absolutely no skills to get anything for myself, other than to mope around and hope someone took notice.

But I learned. So if I can do it anyone can. It just takes determination and some courage. (not lot's of it, cuz I don't have that, but some)




Sub03 -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 10:50:49 AM)

Im sorry to say but rude emails happen. Delete and ignore and move on. To be online you have to have a thick skin or you definetly will not last. Not saying people are right for sending the messages but it's the internet you have to expect this kind of stuff. The internet is full of all kinds.




jaydee52 -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 10:52:18 AM)

He had a drinking problem, you know. Someone had sewn his throat up.

The only reason I posted on this thread was to correct the impression people may have got that she received NOTHING BUT abusive messages. I bet I'm not the only person that read her journal entry and thought "Hang on!".

Anyway give her my best wishes.

I will now shut up.




MasterRenegade77 -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 10:54:23 AM)

I'm Diasabled which I never hide, I've only been flamed here once but on other chat sites it's happened Many times... O/one has to remember that in all levels of humanity there are going to be "The Good, the bad & the ugly", our Lifestyle is not exempt, but they DON'T represent the whole of U/us...
I'm sorry that woman left us unfortunate it only takes a few to ruin a potentially Great Lifestyler...
What I think needs to happen is that More, experienced Dom/mes need to intercede on a sub/slave or newbies behalf, It's worked in Many Chat-rooms I've been in...
That notwithstanding  I think newbies need to get thicker skins & learn of the Iggy features More Quickly!!!




OhBeMyMind -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 11:25:37 AM)

As soon as I read the thread and began following it I thought the same thing, I was itching to post the same comment as LA, but I resisted....not wanting to be the token bitch and open a nasty can of worms.  (and I am not saying that LA is bitch in any form of the word, so just back off)..but this type of debate, with disabled persons as the subject, is something I am very.......passionate....about.
If someone wants to 'really' complain about the treatment disabled people receive, why not start with a "real" cause....ohhh, something like department stores not making all isles accessible for someone in a wheelchair (just for starters).  This ~gags~ online ...BS is really quite ridiculous IMO. 
You wanna debate me on it?  I welcome the E-MAIL.

LA, thanks for saying it.

quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

We're adults.  We're online.  I'm sorry if someone gets upset over it- but if they can't deal with people being rude online, how on earth do they function offline?




givemyall -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 12:32:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: OhBeMyMind

If someone wants to 'really' complain about the treatment disabled people receive, why not start with a "real" cause....ohhh, something like department stores not making all isles accessible for someone in a wheelchair (just for starters).  This ~gags~ online ...BS is really quite ridiculous IMO. 
You wanna debate me on it?  I welcome the E-MAIL.

LA, thanks for saying it.



Well said! Someone get that lady a drink!




OhBeMyMind -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 1:21:59 PM)

Thanks, but could you please make it a double?


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ORIGINAL: givemyall

quote:

ORIGINAL: OhBeMyMind

If someone wants to 'really' complain about the treatment disabled people receive, why not start with a "real" cause....ohhh, something like department stores not making all isles accessible for someone in a wheelchair (just for starters).  This ~gags~ online ...BS is really quite ridiculous IMO. 
You wanna debate me on it?  I welcome the E-MAIL.

LA, thanks for saying it.



Well said! Someone get that lady a drink!




RavenMuse -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 1:39:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: OhBeMyMind
If someone wants to 'really' complain about the treatment disabled people receive, why not start with a "real" cause....ohhh, something like department stores not making all isles accessible for someone in a wheelchair (just for starters).  This ~gags~ online ...BS is really quite ridiculous IMO. 


Whilst I'm guessing we would be on the same side of the argument in many cases, here we definatly view things somewhat diffrent. The 'real cause' is peoples perceptions and the battle ground isn't just in department stores.... but in getting folks to look at their attitudes and stopping seeing the disability instead of the person!

This thread for me, the disability was only secondary... baseline, those creeps hit many people in many ways. If a girl is on the large side then they will go for that, if english is there second language thats what they will pick on, disability oh easy target. Colour, sexuality.... anything they can try and use to undermine the confidence of someone they have spotted maybe a little unsure of themself because the lame crettins who do it are cowards and wouldn't last two seconds against someone who was confident.

And before someone gets the wrong end of the stick.... it isn't a problem with the site, CM does as much as anyone could reasonably expect to prevent such things and make it easy as posible to deal with.... I've delt with a lot of girls who have had confidence problems, saying 'develop a thicker skin' is about as useful as me telling you to grow a set of gills to avoid drowning if you find yourself in the river.... Sometimes they need just a little help in learning how to swim!




Gauge -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 2:02:57 PM)

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Whilst I'm guessing we would be on the same side of the argument in many cases, here we definatly view things somewhat diffrent. The 'real cause' is peoples perceptions and the battle ground isn't just in department stores.... but in getting folks to look at their attitudes and stopping seeing the disability instead of the person!


You are so correct. What I always do to remind myself of this very fact is to think about Professor Stephen Hawking. He has Motor Neurone Disease and Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis. That man might be the most brilliant mind on the planet. His body is a mere trap to the person inside.

To the OP: It is terribly sad that people are like that but the reality is that assholes abound everywhere. Delete and Block are your friends. Use them for all they are worth. Also, if someone is loathsome enough to insult someone with a disability that speaks volumes about who they are. Move on and do not allow them to grind you down. They aren't worth the time or energy.




OhBeMyMind -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 2:40:42 PM)

RM, I do see where you are coming from and I do respect your point of view.  In many ways I do agree with you. 

Helping to change the perception of one person, is better than none.

However, where online is concerned, what are you going to do?  Spend all of your time sending emails to various shallow, adolescent, unaccepting, closed-minded people that try to offend someone by targeting their insecurities?  Thereby goading them into doing it moreso, because they got the reaction they are after.  I have said it before in a different thread and I will say it again...Misery loves company.  Why offer someone that benefit, that sick pleasure, on a silver platter?

I do not necessarily feel that someone needs to thicken their skin, though it would certainly help, but, gosh.....grow up and lose the stinking drama.  Realize the difference between online and real life.  Online there is no way of knowing who sent some childish message, it's faceless, it's voiceless, it's a meaningless typed message.  Mentally, I cannot grasp how it can be so offensive.  And in this sense I do not see how it has anything whatsoever to do with confidence.  It's online.

The best advice on this thread has been echoed many times over...delete, delete, delete...and move on.

The whole production reminds me of tattling children...."He looked at me"...."She touched me"....."He breathed my air"....."She doesn't like my dress and that hurt my feelings". 
Somebody just give me a break.
If you coddle and pacify someone long enough they are never going to be able to take care of themselves, and it is not going to help build self-confidence.  So in this case....saying 'hey, just delete it and don't worry about it' would be quite useful.
Unless the point is to keep someone in an insecure frame of mind so that knight in shining armor can ride onto the scene with sword drawn and make it all better......It gives that knight a feeling purpose and the feeling of being needed.

Seems there are actually more than one issue here.
Online vs. Real time
Absuive messages and how to deal with them
Helping to build someone's self-confidence
(and probably several others as well)

Note:  All is intended for the sole purpose of discussion please.


quote:

ORIGINAL: RavenMuse

quote:

ORIGINAL: OhBeMyMind
If someone wants to 'really' complain about the treatment disabled people receive, why not start with a "real" cause....ohhh, something like department stores not making all isles accessible for someone in a wheelchair (just for starters).  This ~gags~ online ...BS is really quite ridiculous IMO. 


Whilst I'm guessing we would be on the same side of the argument in many cases, here we definatly view things somewhat diffrent. The 'real cause' is peoples perceptions and the battle ground isn't just in department stores.... but in getting folks to look at their attitudes and stopping seeing the disability instead of the person!

This thread for me, the disability was only secondary... baseline, those creeps hit many people in many ways. If a girl is on the large side then they will go for that, if english is there second language thats what they will pick on, disability oh easy target. Colour, sexuality.... anything they can try and use to undermine the confidence of someone they have spotted maybe a little unsure of themself because the lame crettins who do it are cowards and wouldn't last two seconds against someone who was confident.

And before someone gets the wrong end of the stick.... it isn't a problem with the site, CM does as much as anyone could reasonably expect to prevent such things and make it easy as posible to deal with.... I've delt with a lot of girls who have had confidence problems, saying 'develop a thicker skin' is about as useful as me telling you to grow a set of gills to avoid drowning if you find yourself in the river.... Sometimes they need just a little help in learning how to swim!





RavenMuse -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 2:49:02 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: OhBeMyMind
However, where online is concerned, what are you going to do? 


What I have been doing *g* Helping, where I can, to teach them to swim rather than just post "Grow a thicker skin" on the forum.

No point trying to get to the arseholes directly, take away their target, just help the girl to be confident enough to able to do the Block and delete.... the thicker skin will come eventualy once they have been doing it a while [:)]




OhBeMyMind -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 3:22:32 PM)

So she isn't confident enough to Block and Delete....but she is confident enough to run around whining and complaining about it, looking for someone to.....maybe 'fight her battle for her'?
Sounds more like a game when you look at it that way.

Okay, I am cool with that, and even if I wasn't it would still be cool..LOL...just goes to show, and prove, one person's kink isn't someone else's kink.
Really, pardon my intrusion on what I really thought was a serious discussion.

quote:

ORIGINAL: RavenMuse

just help the girl to be confident enough to able to do the Block and delete....




RavenMuse -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 3:51:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: OhBeMyMind
So she isn't confident enough to Block and Delete....but she is confident enough to run around whining and complaining about it, looking for someone to.....maybe 'fight her battle for her'?
Sounds more like a game when you look at it that way.


Now there you are jumping to assumptions. Has anyone said she went running to anyone? Or brought it here for drama? The OP isn't the person being discussed, he brought it here, no doubt with the best of intentions, but it wasn't about him. Whilst she has welcomed the reasurance, she didn't run to anyone, she didn't know there was anyone to run too, she just got faced with rather a lot of the more negative elements in her mail and took a hit to her confidence.

But no dear, all too easy to write people off as attention seeking victims, rather than looking to see if it is just someone who needs just a little help to stand on her own two feet.




Aileen68 -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 4:09:02 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: RavenMuse
But no dear, all too easy to write people off as attention seeking victims, rather than looking to see if it is just someone who needs just a little help to stand on her own two feet.


I'm fairly certain that every female sub gets their share of troll mail.  Some nice.  Some rude.
But if one can't deal with online rudeness from idiots within an anonymous forum then they're going to have a lot of problems in this lifestyle.  And to me...to trust one complete stranger to guide her and help "save" her from another complete stranger is ridiculous.




mistoferin -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 4:18:00 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: RavenMuse
all too easy to write people off as attention seeking victims, rather than looking to see if it is just someone who needs just a little help to stand on her own two feet.


What type of disability is this we are talking about? Is it a mental disability?

If it's something physical then no offense RM, but this is an ADULT website. How much confidence could it possibly take to hit the "x" or "block" or "delete"? What could possibly be scary or intimidating about that? If she's not mature enough to manage that, then what on earth is she doing here?

Personally, I'd be offended if someone thought I was incapable of those actions. I believe that OhBeMyMind is right...you are filling that white knight role nicely. I admire your concern and effort, I really do, but gosh....




OhBeMyMind -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 4:25:15 PM)

Hmmm.....the fashion in which she whined, complained, whatever is truly unimportant, regardless if it was written in a public journal, posted on a public forum, or screamed from roof tops, because basically it is still the same thing.

RM, in your own words from #15 , page 1:
I hadn't noticed the latest journal entry till I spotted this thread

(the underlining added by me)

Edited to add:  This is pure silliness (myself included at this point), like I said, I thought it was a serious discussion.  It is ridiculous to try to debate semantics.

~hands washed and dried~  Any further communication to me regarding this thread should really be done via email, for no other reason than respect of other forum readers.

quote:

ORIGINAL: RavenMuse

quote:

ORIGINAL: OhBeMyMind
So she isn't confident enough to Block and Delete....but she is confident enough to run around whining and complaining about it, looking for someone to.....maybe 'fight her battle for her'?
Sounds more like a game when you look at it that way.


Now there you are jumping to assumptions. Has anyone said she went running to anyone? Or brought it here for drama? The OP isn't the person being discussed, he brought it here, no doubt with the best of intentions, but it wasn't about him. Whilst she has welcomed the reasurance, she didn't run to anyone, she didn't know there was anyone to run too, she just got faced with rather a lot of the more negative elements in her mail and took a hit to her confidence.

But no dear, all too easy to write people off as attention seeking victims, rather than looking to see if it is just someone who needs just a little help to stand on her own two feet.





xxmstrchasxx -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 6:10:03 PM)

It's a shame people have to be rude to anyone whether disabled or not.  My last sub before this one was disabled and eventually past away.  We were together 10 years.

Regardless, it's online and you are going to get people who say they are Doms and have never Dommed anything in their life except their pecker.  These wannabe's are just that wannebe's.  They will always be online and always have been.

What she should realize is Dom's that have actually been in the lifestyle more than likely would never say anything like that to start with even though there will be some exceptions, I'm sure.

She should have stuck around long enough to get to know some of us and seen the difference from those who wrote her with the nasty emails and those of us who didn't or wouldn't.




LadyHugs -> RE: COLLARME: Abusive messages to new member with disability (6/1/2006 8:22:32 PM)

Dear wumpus, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
As for rude and abusive people, I've come across them myself here and elsewhere.  Being a woman seems to put a picture of a "bullseye" or something, as to attract men to want to kick strong women down no matter how wrong they are.
 
What is disappointing, is that the peers don't speak up about it and think it is funny to attack polite people.  Being polite and kind to others, is not a sign of weakness however, a standard of quiet strength.  Passive however, quite able to handle myself in a face to face situation.  I am sure it is the same with others who do not need to act as a bloody idiot as to posture around full of bravado.
 
Disability or not, people are entitled to respect.  Even when it is not deserved.  Respect and kindness doesn't cost anybody.  However, the investment into others by being kind, being respectful and showing respect is priceless.
 
I love people--so, I find it easy to offer kindness and respect to others.
I feel sorry for those who can't be nice to save their cabboose from being char-grilled by dragging on the road, from all the bull pucks loaded in their undergarments and stuck like a hanging chad.
 
When ever I wish to get a smile from someone unpleasant, I picture the individual as described above and take the paddle, "Safe word extractor," pictured on www.toybag.com and give it a good swing forward as to land on the ...[clears throat] heavy load dangling chad bits and give it a good hard hit.  I just make sure I wear hazard waste handler's gear on first.  (Hate when...err you know..when...things ..it.. flies--its enough to knock over ..tip a cow).
 
Respectfully submitted with a wee bit of humor,
Lady Hugs
 




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