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MstrssSatin -> RE: The Lifestyle is.....and other pervasive myths. (6/1/2006 10:44:35 AM)
Hello IronBear and all. I have a long time friend who is a gorean master. He is very open and has a 24/7 female slave and completely lives the gor lifestyle. He knows I am a Domme but always acts very submissive toward Me (ie, giggling, sitting close, vying for My attention when I speak to others, staring and smiling when I catch him at it). If women are considered property in gor why would a so-called "master" be attracted to a Woman who would have him on his knees in service with a snap of My fingers? Also: Is it true (don't bite my head off for this, its a theory I heard) that many gor masters simply have had a life time of dominant women and turn to gor to soothe their egos?

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: The Lifestyle is.....and other pervasive myths. (6/1/2006 10:45:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: enigmabrat Im not even going to dignafie you with a responce that was the stupidest thing I EVER heard but then again its your "opinion" its to bad you feel that way very very sad that you feel that subs are lesser people ok im to angry to even respond right so Ill just ignore you stupidity The sarcastic force is weak in this one.

darkinshadows -> RE: The Lifestyle is.....and other pervasive myths. (6/1/2006 10:46:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: enigmabrat LoL Yes, I live with my Parent yes I have been shelterd, But I do have experiances!!!! I have a great distain for Gor!! I made no generalizations about the group no do I critisize people for likeing Gor it simply to ME is a bad thing we all have our kinks I just think that people who live in Gor at all times need to make contact with the real world People live Gorean Life everyday in real time. It is not only an online group based on a non reality. It may not be YOUR reality. But it is reality for thousands of people. BDSM is not everyones idea of reality... but it is the reality of the people who post here. Christianity is not everyones idea of reality - but it is mine. But I wouldn't shove it down your throat. Nor attack you if You didnt believe in it. Not all Gorean Masters are abusers. Not all submissives in BDSM are abuse victims. Not all Dominants and tops are Sadists. Voicing a personal opinion is a wonderful gift we have as humans in the countires we reside in. Being rude and obnoxious and insulting to anothers belief system is disrespectful and stinks of bigotry and an inability to accept others cultures. And thats voicing my personal opinon. Peace and Rapture.

mistoferin -> RE: The Lifestyle is.....and other pervasive myths. (6/1/2006 10:47:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: enigmabrat Im not even going to dignafie you with a responce that was the stupidest thing I EVER heard but then again its your "opinion" its to bad you feel that way very very sad that you feel that subs are lesser people ok im to angry to even respond right so Ill just ignore you stupidity Well I do believe that this was in response to Proprietix. I don't believe however, that you GOT what she was trying to say to you so I will try to explain it to you. She doesn't feel that way personally.....she simply took your words and turned them around the other way to try to show you how judgmental and generalizing you were being. I'm sorry that you didn't get it, I actually thought it was a rather clever way to get the point across and it saddens me that her time and effort was so wasted.

enigmabrat -> RE: The Lifestyle is.....and other pervasive myths. (6/1/2006 10:47:30 AM)
nope no sarcasm ok well I really hate confrontation so Im ending this argument now

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: The Lifestyle is.....and other pervasive myths. (6/1/2006 10:51:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: enigmabrat nope no sarcasm No dear I was saying that YOU lack a sense of sarcasm because you didn't notice that Proprietrix's post was tongue in cheek and completely farcical as a hyperbolistic example of the types of things YOU have been saying in this entire thread. Considering the fact that she even SAID "tongue in cheek" I can only assume that you quickly skimmed the post, let your emotions take over and whipped out an angry response without taking the time to really examine what was going on. quote: ok well I really hate confrontation so Im ending this argument now This is SOOO ironic considering all the very confrontation inducing posts you've made thus far. You make a few quick rotten tomato throws and then rush out of the theater.

darkinshadows -> RE: The Lifestyle is.....and other pervasive myths. (6/1/2006 10:51:41 AM)
I see no confrontation... just bigotry from someone who would rather laugh and throw something back in the face of others, than learn and move on... Good luck with that You will need it. Peace and Rapture

IronBear -> RE: The Lifestyle is.....and other pervasive myths. (6/1/2006 10:53:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MstrssSatin Hello IronBear and all. I have a long time friend who is a gorean master. He is very open and has a 24/7 female slave and completely lives the gor lifestyle. He knows I am a Domme but always acts very submissive toward Me (ie, giggling, sitting close, vying for My attention when I speak to others, staring and smiling when I catch him at it). If women are considered property in gor why would a so-called "master" be attracted to a Woman who would have him on his knees in service with a snap of My fingers? Also: Is it true (don't bite my head off for this, its a theory I heard) that many gor masters simply have had a life time of dominant women and turn to gor to soothe their egos? I can only speak for me and refer to the Goirean Masters I know in real life and have spent time with when I say that they have not turned to Gor to soothe their egos but like me because they were following the Gorean Philosophy before then came to Gor. regarding you friend, I can not comment justly for I do not know him personally face to face. However I can say that there are a percentage of Men who identify as Gorean but in reality play at being Gorean. As we see it a Gorean Lifestyle person had Gor in their hearts, it is what they are not what they do some or most of the time.... I have friends who in my view are playing at beig Gorean and who again inmy view, are really in a M/s relationship with Gorean overtones or follow many of theGorean ideals. They are still friends who I value and respect for who they are... They are treated the same as my friends who are Gorean Lifestylers..

mistoferin -> RE: The Lifestyle is.....and other pervasive myths. (6/1/2006 10:54:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: enigmabrat nope no sarcasm ok well I really hate confrontation so Im ending this argument now I saw no argument, only people expressing their opinions in response to your opinion. Why is it right for you and not right for others?

enigmabrat -> RE: The Lifestyle is.....and other pervasive myths. (6/1/2006 10:57:29 AM)
Ok yes sarcasm is lost on the net it totaly confused me I thought it was seriouse and that upset me. Look I didnt want to cause trouble I had a very bad experiance in Gor and i should not have been so harsh in my juidgment I do try not to be judgmental I guess I let my emotion get the best of me and for that Im sorry. please exept my humble apology

IronBear -> RE: The Lifestyle is.....and other pervasive myths. (6/1/2006 11:01:09 AM)
Seems that enigmabrat has wipoed her earlier posts as well. Ohh well you win some and lose some... If nothing else there were some wonderfull posts in the pot.....

enigmabrat -> RE: The Lifestyle is.....and other pervasive myths. (6/1/2006 11:03:33 AM)
yes I did!!! I never wanted to offend anyone and there for withdrew my posts again Im sorry

mistoferin -> RE: The Lifestyle is.....and other pervasive myths. (6/1/2006 11:07:42 AM)
enigmabrat, While the apology is a nice touch (although I believe it should be addressed to IronBear and others who follow the Gorean philosophies), I believe that it is much more important that you realize what it was that you just did. We all make mistakes....our ability to recognize when we are making them and learn from them is the key and is much more telling of who we are.

enigmabrat -> RE: The Lifestyle is.....and other pervasive myths. (6/1/2006 11:09:34 AM)
Yes I do relise... I acted out of emotion and made judgments that were hurtfull to others. I didnt mean to upset anyone and i feel absalutly terable

IronBear -> RE: The Lifestyle is.....and other pervasive myths. (6/1/2006 11:14:26 AM)
Apogy accepted. You are not the first who had bad experiences in Gor. My reason for asking if you had mixed with any Gorean Lifstylers, or your Gorean experiences were in either Gorean (non RP) chat or on line Gorean Role Play was to ascertain where your dislike of Gor was comming from.... Most Gorean Role Play and especially the MSN RP Chat Rooms cause a great deal of problems in as much as many there do not have the book knowledge and give out so much misinformation. Gorean Lifetsyles use the Philosophies of Gor and adapt the books as much as is practiciple allowing that, yes we live on earth and we have to live in society and are bound by it's laws.... We generally have both feet firmly on the ground and although our slaves are property (which many kajirae will proudly tell you as it what they want) they are loved property and treated no more harshly that an slave in a M/s relationship. I do suggest that you may find some benifit if you care to pop over to the Gorean Forum and read the threads currently on the boards there as well as having a browse through the archives of that forum.... Cheers lass

enigmabrat -> RE: The Lifestyle is.....and other pervasive myths. (6/1/2006 11:18:20 AM)
I am very sorry Sir My experiance was so bad were Masters were killing their slaves because they could (online)they were treated so badly it hurt me and scared me I guess I never saw good Gorean play and there for I made a judgment. The truth is Gor is play. It has its place in life but I feel it isnt life it is play and should be taken in moderation again my opinion and I mean no harm

Padriag -> RE: The Lifestyle is.....and other pervasive myths. (6/1/2006 11:28:57 AM)
Bit of advice Enigmatic, anytime something here makes you angry, wait at least 15 min before replying. There's no rush, this is all being archived, so take your time and think about what you want to say before you say it. It'll save you a lot of future embarassment. As for Gor, you may not understand it. That's fine. You may not agree with it, that's okay too. You can even point out specific things you don't like about it, and that's alright. But what you shouldn't do is turn it into a generalized, or worse a personal, attack. Anyone who knows much about me knows I'm not Gorean and that there are aspects of Gor I flatly disagree with. So it might surprise you to know that I consider IronBear a friend. He's a good guy, and I think you'll find he's pretty forgiving (sorry if I'm ruining your reputation here IB [;)]). He is Gorean, and we've had more than a few discussions about our differences of opinion. We can do that, because despite those differences, we still respect each other as individuals. I know him to be an honest, ethical and decent person. He's certainly not abusive. Take some time to get to know him, I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

mistoferin -> RE: The Lifestyle is.....and other pervasive myths. (6/1/2006 11:34:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: enigmabrat The truth is Gor is play. It has its place in life but I feel it isnt life it is play and should be taken in moderation again my opinion and I mean no harm Funny, I think that this actually is right in line with this thread. Many myths about what Gor "is" and "isn't" abound. Maybe IronBear could help us to clear some of that up without turning the whole thread into a Gor debate. I am not Gorean, nor do I profess to understand all that it encompasses. I can tell you that I have many wonderful friends who do identify as Gorean. Now I am not certain if the example that they set is the norm, but I can tell you that it seems that they have adopted some of the ideals and philosophies from the books and incorporated them into their lives. They tend to live at a bit higher level of protocol than what I typically see in M/s relationships. They do not consider what they do as play but as a way of life. They are very much members of the real world, hold down jobs, raise families and live by the laws of the land. If I am very far off IronBear, you have my apologies and hope that you will correct any misspeaks I may have made..

juliaoceania -> RE: The Lifestyle is.....and other pervasive myths. (6/1/2006 11:35:43 AM)
Another myth out there... BDSM relationships are more meaningful, more special, involve more trust, and have more intensity and love than their vanilla counterparts...what BullSh**, WIIWD may be different, but it is not inherently better than vanilla. We do not love deeper than any other human being because we like to lose control, gain it, be flogged, or do the flogging.

mistoferin -> RE: The Lifestyle is.....and other pervasive myths. (6/1/2006 11:39:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania Another myth out there... BDSM relationships are more meaningful, more special, involve more trust, and have more intensity and love than their vanilla counterparts...what BullSh**, WIIWD may be different, but it is not inherently better than vanilla. We do not love deeper than any other human being because we like to lose control, gain it, be flogged, or do the flogging. I sooooooo agree! You can love with your whole heart and soul in a vanilla relationship just the same as you can do here. I certainly wouldn't want to tell my parents that their 50 year marriage is really superficial because it's vanilla.

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