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RE: ProDoms are fake? - 1/31/2012 2:42:32 AM

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ORIGINAL: GreedyTop

Box.. EXCELLENT post...

let us just hope (in vain, I'm sure) that it gets through...

Hope it gets through? Do you really have such a problem with reality? Who gives a shit what people think about ProDommes? I'm sure they're too busy laughing all the way to the bank at the suckers who are giving them money to give a flying fuck what people - particularly random internet people - think about them.

Except you post like they're a persecuted underclass who needs rescuing. Which makes me wonder where the fuck your head's at.

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RE: ProDoms are fake? - 1/31/2012 2:47:14 AM

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9 you are a ray of sunshine but I am a great deal more cynical than that. I believe a large part of this comes from a hate men foster over the fact that they know they couldn't get some women to spit on them if they were on fire without paying them to do it. It's why Awareness's thoughts about becoming a better person don't work. He seems to believe it is the fault of the pro for giving him what he wants without demanding he be a better person. The truth is it is not the job of every person to make every other person better. It is personal and if someone wants to do things the easy way there will always be someone willing to get paid for it. In this case it is just more annoying to the male ego because it is women cashing in on a male weakness....poor babies...some of them can't deal with things when it is a woman on top and not them.

What exactly is your problem here?

You're exploiting the weak and the stupid and people aren't applauding you for it. Stop crying about it and just deal with it. It's not bad enough you're making money out of these idiots, you have to then whine about not getting appreciation from other people for doing so?

Generally speaking, I try and make money as ethically as possible. However, even then, I don't run around expecting appreciation for what I do from random people. You asked questions, you got your answers and now you're crying about the answers you got? For fuck's sake, this is dominant behaviour to you?

You people are more unintentionally hilarious than I could possibly express.

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RE: ProDoms are fake? - 1/31/2012 3:04:03 AM

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""I have secret techniques" and a URL in your sigline isn't advertising? Really? How naive are you?"

You implied that the reason I post here is because I'm trying to drum up business. I have been posting here for over six years. I have owned my business for over three years. I put my blog link up quite recently. (Ishtarr said early December maybe?)

Why do you reply to her post, then quote what I said and thus presumably talk to me? There's clearly a few comprehension issues here.

I didn't refer to you specifically in the first instance, it was MIP who did so. Regardless, a URL is the smoking gun, but even the most pedestrian of intelligences can see that much of the interplay here is advertising. It doesn't take much advertising of what you do without being explicitly commercial for people to perhaps strike up a conversation, during which, you can mention the nature of your business.

It amuses me that you have absolutely no problem spinning lies about my character, but when I call you out on your bullshit you come out all defensive. Shit, at least I have some foundation behind what I say. Unlike you, I don't just make shit up. Harden the fuck up, woman.

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My posts hopefully speak for themselves. *shrugs* Just thought I'd share since Awareness has mentioned this a couple of times.

Christ, and now you're back to posting to her. Will you kindly make up your fucking mind?

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RE: ProDoms are fake? - 1/31/2012 4:06:29 AM

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Awareness, I was using FR. (sorry if it confused you)
Please tell me what lies I have spun regarding your character. Because to be quite honest, I believe your character to be sound, (you have the courage of your convictions) even if I disagree with much of what you say.

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RE: ProDoms are fake? - 1/31/2012 5:56:51 AM

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

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ORIGINAL: MissImmortalPain

9 you are a ray of sunshine but I am a great deal more cynical than that. I believe a large part of this comes from a hate men foster over the fact that they know they couldn't get some women to spit on them if they were on fire without paying them to do it. It's why Awareness's thoughts about becoming a better person don't work. He seems to believe it is the fault of the pro for giving him what he wants without demanding he be a better person. The truth is it is not the job of every person to make every other person better. It is personal and if someone wants to do things the easy way there will always be someone willing to get paid for it. In this case it is just more annoying to the male ego because it is women cashing in on a male weakness....poor babies...some of them can't deal with things when it is a woman on top and not them.

What exactly is your problem here?

You're exploiting the weak and the stupid and people aren't applauding you for it. Stop crying about it and just deal with it. It's not bad enough you're making money out of these idiots, you have to then whine about not getting appreciation from other people for doing so?

Generally speaking, I try and make money as ethically as possible. However, even then, I don't run around expecting appreciation for what I do from random people. You asked questions, you got your answers and now you're crying about the answers you got? For fuck's sake, this is dominant behaviour to you?

You people are more unintentionally hilarious than I could possibly express.

Supply and demand my friend, we've covered that - time is money, you saying they should do it for free?

In the end, that's what you pay people for, their time, and the price tends to rise and fall with the quality of the service being negotiated for, if, as in this instance, a certain degree of specialization is involved - you don't have to do it if you don't want, you are free to pursue any and all alternatives.

I've had women offer to pay me, I just feel weird about it, but again, it's mostly about avoiding entanglements, i.e., it becomes a simple transaction, with explicit limits, including that the act of giving someone money in exchange for a service means that the giver is really the one in the position of power, the customer is always right, etc., the receiver is expected to provide value in exchange - but I'll allow that male and female motivations might differ in this area.

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RE: ProDoms are fake? - 1/31/2012 6:36:49 AM

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And, motivations would be expected to vary from person to person anyway - this would be part of the prodomme's art: being able to discern whether graciousness is called for, or abuse, something in between, or combinations thereof, etc., etc. Human interaction can be very subtle, and in this day and age of cartoonish stereotyping, subtlety alone, in an interaction, has value.

Back in the Eighties, Narcissistic cliquishness was so rampant, people paid people to just to come over and talk to them, to be their friend, just to get some human contact - understanding has value when nobody else gives a shit.

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RE: ProDoms are fake? - 1/31/2012 7:24:46 AM

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Supply and demand my friend, we've covered that - time is money, you saying they should do it for free?

I don't see that anyone in this thread has said that they should do it for free, unless I missed something somewhere.

It might be comparable to threads where people complain about the oil companies. Most everybody uses gas and oil, yet a lot of people complain about it just the same. But it doesn't mean that people want free gas. Or maybe they do. But the same rule of supply and demand runs across all industries.

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RE: ProDoms are fake? - 1/31/2012 8:02:53 AM

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Awareness, I am not crying about any answers. I'm actually looking to get other peoples opinions. And seeing as you know nothing of who I do or do not work for I think it's best we don't go there. I thanked you for your opinion. Please do not make me regret doing that.

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RE: ProDoms are fake? - 1/31/2012 12:43:24 PM

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ORIGINAL: Awareness

Tell someone who gives a fuck.

Funny as hell I feel the same lol

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RE: ProDoms are fake? - 1/31/2012 3:34:37 PM

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Awareness, why exactly do you feel that proDommes don't provide something of value to their costumers?

As far as I know, they provide their time and their equipment, just like any other entertainer does. So why is a proDomme's time any different?
It's not because nothing tangible is exchanged between both parties that they customer doesn't get exactly what he's paying for: an hour of fantasy and illusion.

In that sense, going to a proDomme isn't any different than going to the theater, or seeing a magic act, or having a model do a catwalk, or a bunch of other jobs. It's the time you're paying for, not the product.

So why do you feel proDommes are different? why can't they charge for their time?

Now I agree that a lot of men who pay proDommes are weak, miserable, and probably should spend their money more wisely, but doesn't apply to all clients. And it's never been a provider's responsibility to save people from themselves.
It's simple not a proDomme's responsibility to save their clients from themselves either. You can't force a person to be a mature and stable adult if they don't want to be, or can't be that themselves. Refusing them what the are looking for doesn't work, it doesn't help and it doesn't fix anything. They'll go somewhere else, and find something else, and still ruin their own lives.
If you disallow an entire service to exist, because some of it's cliental use said service to ruin their life, you should disallow virtually everything to exist, from alcohol, to food, to cars.

Should restaurants refuse to serve fat people too? Are restaurants exploiting the weak and the stupid when they serve fat people?

And if not, why are proDommes that different? Why are they responsible to save the world?

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RE: ProDoms are fake? - 1/31/2012 4:25:49 PM

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Somebody needs to get laid, is what I think.

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RE: ProDoms are fake? - 1/31/2012 5:30:39 PM

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Awareness, I am not crying about any answers. I'm actually looking to get other peoples opinions. And seeing as you know nothing of who I do or do not work for I think it's best we don't go there. I thanked you for your opinion. Please do not make me regret doing that.

Bollocks, don't start bullshitting now. You drew a parallel between people disapprove of Pro's and weak men who can't get laid and tossed in some usual misandrist nonsense about the male ego. Thus attempting to tar everyone who disagrees with the practice with the same brush. At least have some semblance of intellectual honesty for fuck's sake. This mealy-mouthed backtracking you're engaging in is both dishonest and pathetic.

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RE: ProDoms are fake? - 1/31/2012 5:34:27 PM

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You just seem awfully worked up about it is all I'm saying- I have a hard time givin' a shit what Prodommes and paypigs or whatever are doing, I just hope they having a better time than I am.

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RE: ProDoms are fake? - 1/31/2012 5:34:48 PM

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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

Awareness, I was using FR. (sorry if it confused you)

Go back and read your original post. You addressed me in both the second and third person which suggests some confusion on your part as to who you were talking to.

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Please tell me what lies I have spun regarding your character. Because to be quite honest, I believe your character to be sound, (you have the courage of your convictions) even if I disagree with much of what you say.

Christ, you've suddenly forgotten? Amazing.

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RE: ProDoms are fake? - 1/31/2012 5:36:02 PM

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Somebody needs to get laid, is what I think.

Agreed. When you've gone out and done that, see if you can avoid sniping from the peanut gallery like a whiny little schoolgirl.

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RE: ProDoms are fake? - 1/31/2012 5:37:55 PM

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Actually, sweetness, that as just a shot at you. It seemed you were doing the same thing. As I said before you and I would agree on many things if we were both clear and civil about it. Now do you want to be nice or do you just want me to call you and egomaniacal swishy little twat that is annoyed that men don't rule the world so he bad mouths women whenever he can(note I am not actually calling you names just pointing out that I can)

By the way I drew a parallel between pros dommes and hookers too, but you didn't argue with that hahaha.

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RE: ProDoms are fake? - 1/31/2012 5:38:13 PM

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At this point I think everyone needs to take a breath, and try some light reading: http://www.collarchat.com/Collarme%25com_Forum_Guidelines/m_72/tm.htm

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RE: ProDoms are fake? - 1/31/2012 5:38:52 PM

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Uh, you characterized people who use prodommes as weak, and you've been worrying it like a dog with a bone - that smacks of either insecurity or some kind of chip on your shoulder, what is it that makes this such a personal issue for you?

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RE: ProDoms are fake? - 1/31/2012 5:40:25 PM

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Sorry, gamma.

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RE: ProDoms are fake? - 1/31/2012 5:41:22 PM

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You and take your time or ignore that, I'm not trying to gangbang you here, I'm just wondering why this is such a cause around here.

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