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RE: ProDoms are fake? - 1/29/2012 11:40:17 AM   
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Lithium, where did we meet?



I believe I had dinner at your house.


If you are who I think you are, I owe you a HUGE apology. I didn't understand much of anything at the time, and didn't know how to open my mind to others' ways. I am very sorry for my obnoxiousness. (all the drinks HM was pouring down me that night didn't help...)




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RE: ProDoms are fake? - 1/29/2012 11:42:53 AM   
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Can I ask another question without being attacked? I see some of the attackers are still at it so I am bit gun shy.


Dude really? Man up and stand by your actions here, you are the one who attacked. If some of the people who reacted to it are around and still testy then I think that's called reaping what you sow. You've sowed dissension. If you didn't want it then you shouldn't have done it.
I think I've got more balls than you do at this point.

This is just a big wind-up isn't it? You're just playing games, no one could be this obtuse.



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RE: ProDoms are fake? - 1/29/2012 11:47:11 AM   
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Is the question...can we guess who you really are?

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RE: ProDoms are fake? - 1/29/2012 11:50:33 AM   
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I don't think we really have to split it into two different value systems so much as we have to maintain a level of respect for the differing value systems of others. But that just might be semantic

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RE: ProDoms are fake? - 1/29/2012 12:05:19 PM   
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Before this turns into a locker room again, I'm something of a prodomme myself in a roundabout way, w/regard to Awareness's definition of it, i.e., I write and draw erotica, which is an exchange in which I provoke and ideally, satisfy some pre-existing need for sexual titillation/gratification (aside, my spell checker just tried to substitute "pee-existing" for "pre-existing"! wtf?).

Like a prodomme, I don't really handle the gratification part, ideally, I just focus the need to the point where the client (reader) can obtain gratification for themselves.

And, like a Prodomme, everybody with a fantasy expects em to draw it for them for free - in comics, the artist is usually paid at a much higher rate than the writer, and in advance - the reason for this, is that art is much more labor intensive than writing as a rule - not saying writers don't work at it, but art requires me to be at my drawing table, drawing - I can't dictate it, or cut and paste (much), it's difficult to edit, usually easier to start over except for minor issues, etc., and one paragraph of text can take a week to draw, a short story can take up to a year or more, depending on complexity, how fast you can draw, and how much time you have to spend on it.

And, of course, they all expect you to draw like Rembrandt.

I don't know if the Prodomme metaphor has broken down completely yet, but I tell them, "if you expect me to draw like Rembrandt for free, you better be motherfucking Shakespeare", lol.

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RE: ProDoms are fake? - 1/29/2012 12:08:40 PM   
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I don't think we really have to split it into two different value systems so much as we have to maintain a level of respect for the differing value systems of others. But that just might be semantic
At least keep in mind that there are distinct competing and/or conflicting value systems involved, and that they do intersect and interact at certain points, which generates new externalities.

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RE: ProDoms are fake? - 1/29/2012 12:12:32 PM   
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If that is what You want the question to be...fine, go ahead...but give me a minute to put my bullet proof vest on, lol


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RE: ProDoms are fake? - 1/29/2012 12:19:42 PM   
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I think what you are trying to say is you, in a way, practice a form of prostitution(no thats not an insult) I tried to point out in the other thread that almost everyone does this in some way. Congratulations, aceptance is half that battle. Though if I could give a little advice. I would tell people if they expect you to "draw" like Rembrandt they better be god. I don't think William inspired anyone to draw

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RE: ProDoms are fake? - 1/29/2012 12:24:22 PM   
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Okay, I'll guess....santa? No, wait, Jesus? Oh, oh, oh, I know....are you his holiness the dalai lama suffering from a head injury?

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RE: ProDoms are fake? - 1/29/2012 12:39:58 PM   
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I think what you are trying to say is you, in a way, practice a form of prostitution(no thats not an insult) I tried to point out in the other thread that almost everyone does this in some way. Congratulations, aceptance is half that battle. Though if I could give a little advice. I would tell people if they expect you to "draw" like Rembrandt they better be god. I don't think William inspired anyone to draw
Well, no, it isn't prostitution technically, unless you want to call all economic activity prostitution, which you could, but they do tend to be lumped in together since they both have to do with sex - the major difference being that I'm more likely to be characterized as a pervert than a mercenary.

Otherwise, I assume the successful Prodomme practices and hones her art the same way I do mine in order to be the best she can be, whether it's a matter of personal pride or in order to command the best prices, it's an art, and to most artists, art in general, including the art of others, has a great deal of value, we admire and are inspired by the art of others - whether it's Rembrandt or Jane Russell.

We're alike in other ways, I don't always must draw what I want but have to be willing to draw things that others want to see drawn, one of the more active markets/genres in fact, happens to be femdom, and I've endured too many ham handed attempts at non-consensual femdom to be interested in paying for it - you can pretty much get in line when it comes to that in fact, although I suppose if I met someone who was really good at it, I might be willing to pay for it - but the point was, I do have to be able to empathize with it, in order to convey the nuances and emotional context that would elevate it to the level of art, and satisfy the client/reader.

No, I can't draw like Rembrandt yet, but I keep trying.

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RE: ProDoms are fake? - 1/29/2012 12:43:58 PM   
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Can I ask another question without being attacked? I see some of the attackers are still at it so I am bit gun shy.


Dude really? Man up and stand by your actions here, you are the one who attacked. If some of the people who reacted to it are around and still testy then I think that's called reaping what you sow. You've sowed dissension. If you didn't want it then you shouldn't have done it.
I think I've got more balls than you do at this point.

This is just a big wind-up isn't it? You're just playing games, no one could be this obtuse.



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RE: ProDoms are fake? - 1/29/2012 12:44:35 PM   
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No one is calling you anything. It is interesting though that you bring it up. I will say that your photo with the caption about children is insensitive to all the victims of that type of abuse. I will not say if I was one of those victims because people will use it to attack, but I certainly don't see anything funny about it. Disgusting comes to mind.

Note: This post in no way is meant to insinuate someone was involved or inclined into illegal activities


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Nice way to deflect from the real issue. I don't care what your thing is for farm animals or cartoon figures...but You and I both know the "real" issue

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.... sheep ... [edited by RS because the mods are TOSing the orginal and any replies to it]

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i suggest you read his profile...pay attention to the captions of the photos if he hasn't taken it down already.

As far as your comment about taking down my pics because there are animals in them, I'll leave them for you to study. Maybe you could warn people that you also think I abuse cartoon characters because I have a SpongeBob Squarepants pillow in a cage?  If you look carefully, there is a bag of Puppy Chow in that photo. I'm sure you can come with something for that.  Seriously, why run around with just one foot in your mouth when you have two of them?

After crediting you for having experience and speculating that you made this post in sincerity, I asked you a question about what type of "feelings" you were talking about in your profile.  Then I gave you some advice to clean up your profile so you don't look like an emotional mess.  I presumed you were rational enough to know I was talking about how your profile made you look, not who you really are as a person.   I even extended my wishes for you to find a suitable partner with a heart of gold. 

Please forgive me for being presumptuous.  I retract my advice as your profile seems an accurate reflection of who you are.  I will comment on it no further. I hope you find the comforts you need.     

BTW, that's a goat not a sheep.  The truth behind the photo is that having a goat as a fan boy is far more embarrassing than your attempted jibe and I have already shared it on CollarMe.  When the goat attacked my new girl because it was jealous my old girl was gone . . . well, that's when you get T-shirts made and it becomes a local dungeon conversation topic.  Maybe if you ram your head into enough stuff, we can make a T-shirt for you too? 

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I told you your other foot would fit in your mouth. The "real issue" is the topic of your thread and the replies that relate to it, which I address in my every reply.  You are the one derailing the thread and deflecting from the issue.  Continue your insults and I will continue giving you enough rope to hang yourself with.  I am a sadist and enjoy watching you humiliate yourself as much as you enjoy doing it to yourself. 

As far as your knowledge and mine having common ground, I will once again dispense some sincere advice.  Your insistence on accusing me of illegal activities violates the TOS.  You have occasionally interacted constructively with others in this thread.  You could benefit from these forums, but that won't happen if you get yourself banned.  I predict that if you continue to proffer insults about illegal activities that already got your post and all the replies quoting it pulled, you will get banned.

So man up and take what I said in the light it was given.  Feel free to disagree with me about my observations of your profile making you appear emotionally volatile and stop calling people child molesters.   

So what should your T-shirt say?  "Got Banned" or "Gives Good Thread"  ... the choice is yours.




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RE: ProDoms are fake? - 1/29/2012 12:48:01 PM   
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RE: ProDoms are fake? - 1/29/2012 12:50:52 PM   
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No, I can't draw like Rembrandt yet, but I keep trying.



Off Topic: If you can like Klee, you should post a few.

** edited to add so sad that Google images self-corrects to show some canteen instead of the artist's work :(

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RE: ProDoms are fake? - 1/29/2012 1:01:20 PM   
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What about paint like Jasper Johns?

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RE: ProDoms are fake? - 1/29/2012 1:06:13 PM   
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Off Topic: If you can like Klee, you should post a few.

** edited to add so sad that Google images self-corrects to show some canteen instead of the artist's work :(


Nah, my ex could, I have very little talent for abstraction - she would be famous if she hadn't conceived of an unfortunate love affair with fermented hop beverages, I'd still be a hack illustrator.

Canteen?

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RE: ProDoms are fake? - 1/29/2012 1:07:30 PM   
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No one is calling you anything. It is interesting though that you bring it up. I will say that your photo with the caption about children is insensitive to all the victims of that type of abuse. I will not say if I was one of those victims because people will use it to attack, but I certainly don't see anything funny about it. Disgusting comes to mind.

Note: This post in no way is meant to insinuate someone was involved or inclined into illegal activities


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Nice way to deflect from the real issue. I don't care what your thing is for farm animals or cartoon figures...but You and I both know the "real" issue

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.... sheep ... [edited by RS because the mods are TOSing the orginal and any replies to it]

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i suggest you read his profile...pay attention to the captions of the photos if he hasn't taken it down already.

As far as your comment about taking down my pics because there are animals in them, I'll leave them for you to study. Maybe you could warn people that you also think I abuse cartoon characters because I have a SpongeBob Squarepants pillow in a cage?  If you look carefully, there is a bag of Puppy Chow in that photo. I'm sure you can come with something for that.  Seriously, why run around with just one foot in your mouth when you have two of them?

After crediting you for having experience and speculating that you made this post in sincerity, I asked you a question about what type of "feelings" you were talking about in your profile.  Then I gave you some advice to clean up your profile so you don't look like an emotional mess.  I presumed you were rational enough to know I was talking about how your profile made you look, not who you really are as a person.   I even extended my wishes for you to find a suitable partner with a heart of gold. 

Please forgive me for being presumptuous.  I retract my advice as your profile seems an accurate reflection of who you are.  I will comment on it no further. I hope you find the comforts you need.     

BTW, that's a goat not a sheep.  The truth behind the photo is that having a goat as a fan boy is far more embarrassing than your attempted jibe and I have already shared it on CollarMe.  When the goat attacked my new girl because it was jealous my old girl was gone . . . well, that's when you get T-shirts made and it becomes a local dungeon conversation topic.  Maybe if you ram your head into enough stuff, we can make a T-shirt for you too? 

Goat Story


I told you your other foot would fit in your mouth. The "real issue" is the topic of your thread and the replies that relate to it, which I address in my every reply.  You are the one derailing the thread and deflecting from the issue.  Continue your insults and I will continue giving you enough rope to hang yourself with.  I am a sadist and enjoy watching you humiliate yourself as much as you enjoy doing it to yourself. 

As far as your knowledge and mine having common ground, I will once again dispense some sincere advice.  Your insistence on accusing me of illegal activities violates the TOS.  You have occasionally interacted constructively with others in this thread.  You could benefit from these forums, but that won't happen if you get yourself banned.  I predict that if you continue to proffer insults about illegal activities that already got your post and all the replies quoting it pulled, you will get banned.

So man up and take what I said in the light it was given.  Feel free to disagree with me about my observations of your profile making you appear emotionally volatile and stop calling people child molesters.   

So what should your T-shirt say?  "Got Banned" or "Gives Good Thread"  ... the choice is yours.





I AM a survivor of child abuse and I see NOTHING offensive about any of RS's pictures...



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RE: ProDoms are fake? - 1/29/2012 1:10:44 PM   
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Forget about the fuse, nine, I think bessy may be damaged beyond repair.

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RE: ProDoms are fake? - 1/29/2012 1:11:27 PM   
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Sure, you can call it shallow and cynical to sell your ass, just as shallow and cynical as it is to pay for it in order to avoid personal entanglements, from a strictly character standpoint, but it doesn't change a thing: people have been doing it since the dawn of time, they'll be doing it till the sun burns out, largely due to the nature of physical reality and the laws of physics. The four dimensions, time and space: relationships take time, require proximity, we'd all love to have sex whenever and wherever the urge strikes us, with the person of our choice, but the laws of physics dictate that when and who with are often mutually exclusive, sort of an uncertainty principle of sex - you can either have it with the person of your choice, when it's convenient for both of you, or you can have it whenever you want, but you can't be too choosy about who it's with.

So if you look at it like a simple economic issue of supply and demand, which it is, then you can analyze it as an economic issue: a service is being exchanged, Awarenesse's subjective characterization of the participants is irrelevant, value is being created, value is being exchanged for value, and presumably both participants are getting what they want, regardless of anyone else's opinion about their character, w/respect to the nature of the negotiations, caveat emptor and all that, same as any other free market transaction.

One factor for sex workers is that they typically have to work around their clients schedules, which makes it difficult to do as a hobby - you can't work somewhere and tell your boss you gotta take off a couple hours and whip a friend of yours into shape, he's a busy man too, and right now is the only time he has in his busy schedule, you'll be back in a while.

Doesn't work that way, and as mummy guy mentioned, all that latex and shit is expensive, etc., etc., to the point that due to the laws of physics and the laws of supply and demand you have an economic niche for pro-dommes, and it really can't work any other way.

The nature of the resulting transaction is going to abide by the law of supply and demand, and the complexities of economic exchanges of value, caveat emptor, and you get what you pay for.


I've been reading this thread, and this comment seems to be among the more sensible ones. To me, it makes no difference what people do to earn their daily bread, and obviously, some professions are more lucrative than others.

But as I was trying to mention to Blushes in the Findomme thread, this industry is not like going to McDonald's for a hamburger or to 7-11 for a Big Gulp. It might be more akin to a strip club or an adult book store (or even internet porn, for that matter). These are legal businesses, but their public reputation is quite a bit different than other kinds of businesses. Not so much for the actual business itself, but the kind of seedy element it attracts. Get rival gang members in there, and it can be a real nasty scene.

You don't really know who you're dealing with, and that's why I avoid those places altogether. What they do is up to them, but I choose not participate or patronize such places. As you say, caveat emptor, and if I don't trust the person who wants my business, then I will not do business with them. I believe in capitalism over communism, but I'll admit that there are certain downsides to capitalism as well.

I don't think pro-doms are fake, but I guess it depends on how one defines "fake." If one considers Collarme as a social forum for people looking for friends and personal relationships, I happen to think that advertising a business under the guise of personal ad could confuse people and could be construed as deceptive.

I stopped going to Yahoo chat years ago because it seemed that every chat room had bots advertising some porn site. I got the same thing on some social networking site (can't remember which one), where my message box was filled with spam from someone claiming to be interested in my profile and saying "check out my NEW PICS at..."

When you encounter this stuff over and over and over again, it can get a bit irritating and cloud one's perceptions about so-called "personals sites." Why can't they just use paid advertising and their own websites, rather than flooding sites which were ostensibly set up for a completely different purpose? I don't mind what they do, but why do they have to do it here? In fact, it even states in Collarme's Terms of Service:

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3.1. The Website provides a forum through which adults may seek and establish personal contact with one another through the use of the Website's capabilities for displaying photographs and written materials provided by its members.

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7.3.12. You will not use Your profile or any other portion of the Website or Our services to promote any other business enterprise, unless otherwise permitted by collarme.com, nor will you attempt to use any of Our services to promote an escort service, prostitution, web-cams, or any other form of related enterprise;


Now, if Collarme doesn't wish to enforce its own TOS, then that's their business, not mine. But it's worth pointing out just the same.






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RE: ProDoms are fake? - 1/29/2012 1:17:40 PM   
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At times like this we need her more than ever. is it time for a scrapheap challenge?
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