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RE: Safe Word? - 2/3/2012 9:00:20 AM   
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Some people have said they don't have safe words because they just assume that, "stop" means "stop"... but I don't see that as being very different.  The use of other signals to mean, "stop" still mean, "stop". 

So ultimately, to me, the question isn't really about whether or not you should continue using a safe word.  It's about whether or not you still have to communicate with somebody, even if you know each other pretty well.  I think that communication will always be important, possibly more important as you get to know each other.  Otherwise at some point, somebody is going to dismiss a facial expression, change of breath, or whimper because it's exactly like one they've seen hundreds of times, for something unimportant... but this once, it's going to mean, "I'm having a heart attack," or some such thing.


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RE: Safe Word? - 2/3/2012 10:47:05 AM   
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Some people have said they don't have safe words because they just assume that, "stop" means "stop"... but I don't see that as being very different.

Yeah, I'm sure we have all heard "no means no", I suppose one could call that (and all the other words that exist to express the concept) safe words and some people do explicitly establish no as their safeword.

I agree, I don't think the OP was trying to engage us in a discussion about whether we should continue using the normal social conventions that mean stop or establish a single magic word. He seems to be asking whether TPE is ok and also awesome.

I think we're talking about a situation where no still means no but they have agreed that the dominant partner gets to override the submissive partners judgement on that. I expect that they are still communicating both verbally and non verbally and think that this is an area where the dominants familiarity with the submissive and their competence become of the utmost importance.


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RE: Safe Word? - 2/3/2012 1:56:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: notthetongs
Some people have said they don't have safe words because they just assume that, "stop" means "stop"... but I don't see that as being very different.

Yeah, I'm sure we have all heard "no means no", I suppose one could call that (and all the other words that exist to express the concept) safe words and some people do explicitly establish no as their safeword.

I agree, I don't think the OP was trying to engage us in a discussion about whether we should continue using the normal social conventions that mean stop or establish a single magic word. He seems to be asking whether TPE is ok and also awesome.

I think we're talking about a situation where no still means no but they have agreed that the dominant partner gets to override the submissive partners judgement on that. I expect that they are still communicating both verbally and non verbally and think that this is an area where the dominants familiarity with the submissive and their competence become of the utmost importance.


Whaa???

I think the reason for having a safe-word is because I surely can't be the only fella whose heard the words of "No; stop; don't" etc during the throes of passion only to get a glare of impatience and disappointment the few times I did.

Body language is a truer guide but if you don't know your partner so well, then the use of an abstract word for *STOP* rather than the socially acceptable (no means NO) makes better sense alround.

It's not unusual for a sub to even forget her safe-word during intense play so my way (if I think she's struggling) is to intervene and have her state her safe-word, just in case. This is also why I consider gags to be an advanced level of play - NOT for partners I don't know so well, again, just in case.

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RE: Safe Word? - 2/3/2012 3:34:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Focus50
Whaa???

I think the reason for having a safe-word is because I surely can't be the only fella whose heard the words of "No; stop; don't" etc during the throes of passion only to get a glare of impatience and disappointment the few times I did.

Here's my take on safewords from earlier in the thread.

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel
Depends, if you're the sort of person who says no when you really mean harder then I think they are a good thing to have. Otherwise I'm more of a fan of people talking to each other in the normal fashion.


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RE: Safe Word? - 2/4/2012 8:27:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GotSteel
I think we're talking about a situation where no still means no but they have agreed that the dominant partner gets to override the submissive partners judgment on that. I expect that they are still communicating both verbally and non verbally and think that this is an area where the dominants familiarity with the submissive and their competence become of the utmost importance.


If he gets to override me, and makes a mistake about by nonverbal communication, all hell can break out. I'm not an asthmatic so it's doubtful I'm going to die in seconds without an inhaler, but panic attacks and stomach cramps and such are not easily identified during play. Even in a long term relationship as ours.


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RE: Safe Word? - 2/4/2012 8:32:35 AM   
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heh...I can't even remember what I did two minutes ago let alone a safeword lol, especially when I'm zoned out or in pain. My entire mind just goes blank.


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RE: Safe Word? - 2/4/2012 12:13:55 PM   
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Think of a safe word like a fire extinguisher, first aid kit, air bags or a pistol. You hope you never have to use any of those things, but it's nice knowing they are available.

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RE: Safe Word? - 2/4/2012 1:05:56 PM   
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heh...I can't even remember what I did two minutes ago let alone a safeword lol, especially when I'm zoned out or in pain. My entire mind just goes blank.


I generally want my girl "zoned out" and having a good time, too - it allows me to do the same. Not being able to talk properly or at all is an excellent indicator that she's in sub-space heaven.

BUT, if she's not there and not having such a good time etc, then yeah, I start wondering if we're heading into safe-word territory. And that in those circumstances, her mind (or yours) is likely anything but blank.

My sadistic side doesn't mean I'm a mindless beating machine. And the availability of a safe-word means it's not entirely on me to read every little sign in the midst of me having a good time, too. That she has a last resort emergency trigger....

As I said in my original post, a safe-word becomes redundant as the relationship grows because you do get to know each other's body language with time. I just don't see what's the big deal with the safe-word always being there, regardless.

It's unfortunately too typical of an OP who starts a discussion not to actually manage or contribute to it. Seems an obvious question - why didn't he safe-word anyway? Or did he but she ignored it? If the latter, it doesn't take a genius to not go there again....

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RE: Safe Word? - 2/6/2012 5:52:23 AM   
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It's unfortunately too typical of an OP who starts a discussion not to actually manage or contribute to it. Seems an obvious question - why didn't he safe-word anyway? Or did he but she ignored it? If the latter, it doesn't take a genius to not go there again....

Looking at the original post he states that they no longer use a safe word. Seems like he was just here to brag about how cool his TPE scene turned out and not actually have a discussion.

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RE: Safe Word? - 2/6/2012 8:52:06 AM   
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Think of a safe word like a fire extinguisher, first aid kit, air bags or a pistol. You hope you never have to use any of those things, but it's nice knowing they are available.


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RE: Safe Word? - 2/6/2012 4:23:20 PM   
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If you know each other, have been 'playing' (how the hell did it get that title) for many many months, then should the sub have a safe word? Question brought on by one hell of a 'bruising' (very very literally) session yesterday. Was totally helpless, Mistress really laying in and enjoying herself (bloody Sadists) and realised there was sod all i could do to stop her. She just kept going despite my pleading and begging for a break. If we (still) 'played' with a safe word, i may, just may, have used it. BUT, was glad i did not have one, if that makes sense.
So, over to you lot. What do ya think? How much more real (and satisfying later) is NOT having a way out, a safe word.

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I, Personally, never used a safeword, for several reasons. One, part of the 'thrill' for me is riding that edge between life and death, literally...I DON'T WANT HIM TO STOP; and second...if I had asked to stop for any reason before HE was finished, he would have just kept going until he made the point that he did not take orders from me

HOWEVER...anytime I am asked about safewords, my answer is always the same. While it depends greatly on the people involved personally, you should always have some way of communicating with your partner that you have reached your limit...no matter how that communication is shown.

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RE: Safe Word? - 2/7/2012 2:07:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

Looking at the original post he states that they no longer use a safe word. Seems like he was just here to brag about how cool his TPE scene turned out and not actually have a discussion.


I took that to mean they had a safe-word originally. It's not like it gets wiped off the hard drive. So if it was there at one time but lapsed, then out of the blue you need to use it, what tha hell sort of domme wouldn't think something was up...?

But yeah, looks like he didn't come here to discuss.

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RE: Safe Word? - 2/23/2012 1:52:53 PM   
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I am one of those sadists people speak of.  Whenever I with someone, either new in a scene, or one I owned for a while, the safewood is always in place.  No or stop mean nothing to me.  I tend to own masochists who continually want to push the envelop.  During scenes, it is not uncommon for them to say stop but want more. 

Personally I think it foolhardy to exist without one.  There are so many variables that enter the picture.  Even with someone who is known to the dominant, he or she varies from day to day.  What was possible yesterday might be insanely painful today.  But then again, I am a stickler for safety.

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RE: Safe Word? - 2/23/2012 1:59:47 PM   
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the safewood is always in place.

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RE: Safe Word? - 2/23/2012 2:37:57 PM   
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Although I'm relatively new to this business, I have recently noticed that although intellectually, the idea of a safe word such as yellow or red is appealing, I find that when getting spanked to the point it becomes too unbearably painful, those words simply don't come to mind. It is more likely this will come out of my mouth, "Oh, no, please, (insert Top's name here), that is too much!"

Maybe I just need more practice at it!


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Tools of communication - you can set forth a whole paragraph about what's going on, drop a set of keys, ring a bell, use a safeword or phrase or just yell out whatever it is that ails you; they are extras in addition to observation and none of them are guarentees of your safety. I think people get hung up on semantics and the term 'safe' being so subjective, can be irksome to some. Words are symbols.. as long as the ideas are conveyed, it doesn't really matter what you want to call them. Just keep in mind that if you are blindfolded, bound, gagged and playing with a lunatic, there's not a safeword in the world that is going to save you when the aforementioned looney gets his chainsaw kink on.


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RE: Safe Word? - 2/23/2012 4:01:40 PM   
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Never underestimate the persuasive power of stupid people in large groups

Actually, take out the word persuasive and it's a Heinlein quote...
Sorry, had to fix the "unknown" (grin).

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RE: Safe Word? - 2/23/2012 7:37:36 PM   
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Personally, I think the focus should be taken off the "safeword" and placed on "communication." In most groups I've been around, the term "safeword" is a catch-all, and is not something that is a literal, nor is it a way out, nor is it necessarily a word. It's something that when two people engage in each other, whether vanilla or extreme, there's a mutual agreement that there is some way to communicate that an exceptional emergency or unexpected condition has arisen that needs immediate attention. I think it's just as much for both sides of the coin, too. I know when my sadistic side starts coming out, I can enter a zone where I cannot be 100% certain that I am clearly and objectively observing and judging everything around me. I'm a dominant.. but still a human being, not an omnipotent god.

For me, the thing which really needs to be discussed beforehand is whether or not a formal safeword is needed, or if normal communication will suffice. It's not the safeword itself that matters so much as the act of prior communication and understanding of the terms and limits. However, I always insist that there be *something*, some kind of cue that will instantly alert me that something is wrong or needs my attention. Whether it is that she has to go pee, or that a burglar just crawled through the window behind me and is about to stab me in the back--Both of which are things that no matter how well I can read her, I cannot claim it is infallible and perfect. I might misread her squirms and struggles to be signs of pushing her limits but still "safe" and enjoyable, or the look in her eyes to be the thrill of having her boundaries pushed rather than trying to alert me about the guy behind me.

To me, a "safeword" is there, and used, only for those kind of purposes. As someone else mentioned, it's like a fire extinguisher or first aid kit--You hope it never needs to get used, but you're realistic enough to know that reality happens. Remember (or at least know about) the Titanic? Well, I don't ever want to be remembered the same way.

As for those who poo-poo having a safeword as little more than a wimpy escape, I hope you'll reconsider that stance. Not whether or not you want one in place, but just the view about what it should be there for. It shouldn't be there for that (wimpy) purpose, and frankly, if I'm with someone who does use it that way, that would deserve punishment, up to and including me walking out the door and never being with them again. But there should be something in place to alert the other that something is amiss that they may not be aware of. And, IMO, it should work both ways; The "safeword" should also be a signal that if the dom says it while the sub is in "subspace", should instantly bring her back down to earth and become more alert to her surroundings.

JMNSHO

(PS: Switch him with her where appropriate--Sorry, it annoys me that it's so hard to write in a gender-neutral manner at times :-P)

ETA: To underline and clarify some of my thinking, look back at the OP.. They have not returned to post more, so now some are thinking the OP just came here to basically brag "I've do not need a safeword, look how cool I am!" I think that kind of thinking is foolish dangerous. I'd much rather hear him brag about how he's always had a safeword, but even when it got really tough, he still did not use it because it wasn't a truly urgent situation, such as the house on fire while he was tied down and immobile.

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RE: Safe Word? - 2/25/2012 3:10:23 PM   
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I think the theme of the tread is there is no one right answer, be aware of yourself, be aware of the situation, and make appropriate decisions to minimize risk.

Valid insight, that.

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RE: Safe Word? - 2/25/2012 3:58:41 PM   
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So, over to you lot. What do ya think? How much more real (and satisfying later) is NOT having a way out, a safe word.

OK, I know this isn't really the viewpoint that is normative for this thread but I know I'm not the only one in this camp. I find your view of "real" to be... well... pretty unreal to me. To me, "real" is things like children, jobs, retirement, friends -- you know -- the stuff of life. Anything happening during a "scene" is, to me, automatically unreal. It's a scene -- a bit of fantasy being imposed upon the day to day goings on of life.

So no, Carol and I don't have any way to safe word out of reality. That works for us. It doesn't make us any more "real" or "extreme" or anything else. It just an artefact of how we process this whole thing that we do. It just wouldn't make sense to try to be safe from her or my own personality. How do you do that?

edited to add:
Well, I suppose you could say Carol's safe word is "no". She's allowed to say that whenever she wants and terminate our dynamic. I'll even love the bejeebers out of her afterwards. So far, she's not had reason nor do I think it's really possible for her to do that.

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RE: Safe Word? - 2/25/2012 9:41:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: dougie159

If you know each other, have been 'playing' (how the hell did it get that title) for many many months, then should the sub have a safe word? Question brought on by one hell of a 'bruising' (very very literally) session yesterday. Was totally helpless, Mistress really laying in and enjoying herself (bloody Sadists) and realised there was sod all i could do to stop her. She just kept going despite my pleading and begging for a break. If we (still) 'played' with a safe word, i may, just may, have used it. BUT, was glad i did not have one, if that makes sense.
So, over to you lot. What do ya think? How much more real (and satisfying later) is NOT having a way out, a safe word.

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