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RE: Big story of the day - 6/3/2006 6:40:44 AM   
Moloch


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CEO of enron was doing same thing as every other CEO, but he got caught thats the difference.
As far as Kennedy, well lets see for starters he is rabidly anti-gun.
When William Kennedy Smith was on trial for raping the baby sitter in the Kennedy compound, this is what really happened:
Willy boy grabbed the baby sitter, threw on the bed and said, "You're gonna stay here and have sex with us tonight, or I'll have uncle Ted drive you home!"
Those who swore to uphold the constitution should be strung up as traitors if they fail in their oath of office. Not to mention what Kennedy did to a young lady that he left in his car as the water level rose. 

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RE: Big story of the day - 6/3/2006 6:56:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		How many Kennedys are you going to talk about, Moloch? And what's the point? Can you please restate the relevance of these many items to the OP? Is this just all guilt by association or something?

The writer of the Rolling Stone article is hardly the only source on this info. The point of interest is that the information may be reaching critical mass as Rolling Stone is a widely read magazine. Much of this has already been put forward in dozens of other ways including Keith Olbermann on MSNBC - but that's only been useful for people reading their news online or with cable or satellite.

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diebold_Election_Systems

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RE: Big story of the day - 6/3/2006 7:18:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yah Im not gonna disagree with the OP after reading the articles they are actually well thought out.

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RE: Big story of the day - 6/3/2006 7:38:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		FWIW, I am no fan of the Kennedy clan either.

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RE: Big story of the day - 6/3/2006 8:31:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		We all knew of "dubbya's" right wing leaning and his pandering to the religious conservatives. it is no secret they feel sex is only a tool for procreation and is a sin if done for anyother reason. my question is always to ppl in this lifestyle, especially the way yahoo and other places on the net have banished or outright eliminated or made a lot of restrictions on BDSM sites.  they would and will if we keep them in power long enoughoutlaw alternative lifestyles (Logcabin republicans go right over my head)  how can anyone in this, or any other alternative lifestyle, without feeling like a fool or hypocrite vote for anyone that would try to restrict or eliminate alternate lifestyle altogether. 

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RE: Big story of the day - 6/3/2006 8:41:24 AM   
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RE: Big story of the day - 6/3/2006 8:48:25 AM   
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What a load.

As much as I despise Bush and regret the Florida debacle the United States Supreme Court did the right thing. There was no clear standard for the recount. Ballots were counted in a variety of differant fashions throughout the State during the recount. Due to time constraints, imposing a differant standard would have just had the Florida State government send electors of their choice (as per the law).

This is just a bunch of sour grapes with no ground to stand on.

*meow*


Yep. "We don't like the outcome, let's count the votes again........still don't like it, let's do it again.......oh my, still not right, once more......hey, buddy, is that a dangling chad??"......

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RE: Big story of the day - 6/3/2006 8:50:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		Reagon made the biggest tax cuts to the military in history, bush sent troops into areas he shouldnt had under funded under manned under equiped and under protected. Clinton got the blame for the lack of military in his administration when he was only carrying out the policies enacted by reagon, i dont consider "liberal" a dirty word.  and besides i didnt see my rights desolving before my eyes under Clinton like it has under reagon, bush and bush

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RE: Big story of the day - 6/3/2006 8:52:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		a final uninteruped count was done in fla, "dubya's" bro's state and GORE WON

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RE: Big story of the day - 6/3/2006 8:56:49 AM   
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I think Gore would have also sent troops to Afghanistan, but kept more of them there, and finished the job better.

I do wish we would do a better job there; I'm wondering if things aren't rolling back down the hill, so to speak.
 
To the benifit of that country and all of us. Iraq would have been left to deal with Saddam as the continueing sanctions left him powerless to be toppled by the Iraqi people, with the world in general keeping an eye on it to see how it ended up, and intervenining at some point with less needed military action.

And much of the leftists would be screaming "murder" at that, claiming sanctions were the cause of thousands of deaths there. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

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RE: Big story of the day - 6/3/2006 9:05:19 AM   
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These articles were written my ROBERT F. KENNEDY JR.    who in my eyes as about as credible is Miachel Moore
 

i don't always agree with Moore, and haven't seen all his films, but i think he is doing what no one else dares to do -- documentaries that point out "the Emperor has no clothes".
 
pinkee


Michael Moore has a truth problem.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A17000-2004Jun30.html

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RE: Big story of the day - 6/3/2006 9:14:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		in the Moore film the "lies" were pretty much non esential, however i think the word "truthiness" is even to truthful for anything the bush admin utters

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RE: Big story of the day - 6/3/2006 9:24:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		"Diebold voting systems critically flawed" - Robert Lemos, SecurityFocus 2006-05-12
http://www.securityfocus.com/news/11391

"It is like the nuclear bomb for e-voting systems. It's the deal breaker. It really makes the security flaws that we found (in prior years) look trivial." - Avi Rubin, computer science professor, Johns Hopkins University

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RE: Big story of the day - 6/3/2006 9:39:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Chaingang and shtrbg, I readily agree that the stench of lying comes from the right, just as it does the left. As for the diebold machines, there is indeed a lot of questions and problems with the whole system. At the risk of looking like a luddite, I would prefer all elections use pen and paper. We just had a school board election near here that was contested, and much finger pointing was done at the new machines used.

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RE: Big story of the day - 6/3/2006 9:47:48 AM   
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RE: Big story of the day - 6/3/2006 10:13:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		im druthers, i would rather have a prez that lies about sleeping around than one that lies, well, about everything, he may be doing that too, there were a lot of logged in times that fake reporter came to the white house with no clear purpose for his visits

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RE: Big story of the day - 6/4/2006 2:08:12 PM   
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What a load.

As much as I despise Bush and regret the Florida debacle the United States Supreme Court did the right thing. There was no clear standard for the recount. Ballots were counted in a variety of differant fashions throughout the State during the recount. Due to time constraints, imposing a differant standard would have just had the Florida State government send electors of their choice (as per the law).

This is just a bunch of sour grapes with no ground to stand on.

*meow*


Yep. "We don't like the outcome, let's count the votes again........still don't like it, let's do it again.......oh my, still not right, once more......hey, buddy, is that a dangling chad??"......


You've got it. And while they're arguing about how to recount and how many times to recount, Jeb would send electors to put in their presidential ballots because the law reuiqres the electors be appointed and sent within a certain time-frame. If the election is unclear and undecided, the state government sends the electors of their choice.

*meow*

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RE: Big story of the day - 6/4/2006 2:09:30 PM   
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a final uninteruped count was done in fla, "dubya's" bro's state and GORE WON


Um, do you hava reference for that? Or did you pull it from ...

*meow*

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RE: Big story of the day - 6/4/2006 2:18:33 PM   
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Chaingang and shtrbg, I readily agree that the stench of lying comes from the right, just as it does the left. As for the diebold machines, there is indeed a lot of questions and problems with the whole system. At the risk of looking like a luddite, I would prefer all elections use pen and paper. We just had a school board election near here that was contested, and much finger pointing was done at the new machines used.


Personally, I like the good mechanical reliable lever machines that are now being phased out of use in New York. Gears and levers are wonderfully reliable and easily diagnosed when malfunctioning. I sadly lament their passing and have written to numerous state officials who also agree in that lament. The problem, I am told in response, is two-fold. One, no one produces those wonderful mechanical voting machines anymore. Two, federal law mandates their replacement.

*meow*

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RE: Big story of the day - 6/4/2006 2:24:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Is DOJ Saying That Gore Won Florida?
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/05.27A.jvb.doj.fl.htm

You can google as well as anyone I imagine. There's plenty of evidence to suggest that there was about a minimum of 10 ways the Florida count was jinxed by Jeb and the other good old boys there.

Do you realize that people in other countries take it as a given that U.S. elections are now rigged and that the electorate is just a bunch of idiots?

Personally, I don't care for that reputation one bit. How far do we intend to fall?


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