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RE: Birth control issue heating up - 2/10/2012 8:42:08 AM   
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He has only changed the method of access.  There are wars to be won, these small skirmishes can be leapfrogged. 

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RE: Birth control issue heating up - 2/10/2012 8:49:51 AM   
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Other religions were lineing up behind the Catholic church on this one. They saw it as a slippery slope. Would they be next to have the federal govt. intrude on their beliefs ? This will be an issue Obama will now have to deal with in the upcoming election.

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RE: Birth control issue heating up - 2/10/2012 8:53:26 AM   
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Oh, yeah, its big, that and baptism for the dead are going to be fiddled while rome burns.

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RE: Birth control issue heating up - 2/10/2012 9:01:22 AM   
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Yeah he reversed himself all right.

Employees of religious affiliated organizations will receive prescription contraceptives without copay or deductible.


Wait, isn't that the same plan as before he "reversed" himself?

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RE: Birth control issue heating up - 2/10/2012 9:45:14 AM   
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I've never seen him leave the podium so quickly. Why not answer a couple of questions ?

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RE: Birth control issue heating up - 2/10/2012 9:59:50 AM   
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like what?  why do you hate catholic pedophiles so much?

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RE: Birth control issue heating up - 2/10/2012 10:27:20 AM   
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Actually,abortion is cheaper AND safer than pregnancy, but the "opposition' goes nuts when that gets mentioned.




Not for the baby.

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RE: Birth control issue heating up - 2/10/2012 10:30:01 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee


quote:

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Actually,abortion is cheaper AND safer than pregnancy, but the "opposition' goes nuts when that gets mentioned.




Not for the baby.



What baby? It's only a nonviable tissue mass.

/sarc

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RE: Birth control issue heating up - 2/10/2012 10:42:23 AM   
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The profound ignorance that underpins the "pro-coathanger-death/woman are property" rationalizations cannot be eliminated simply by pointing out the scientific facts. First you need to teach them about science, and why it works, THEN you can educate them about the facts of woman's healthcare.

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RE: Birth control issue heating up - 2/10/2012 10:43:36 AM   
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this was posted in another thread, I think, it belongs here just as much. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc--BPM11s0

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RE: Birth control issue heating up - 2/10/2012 11:26:08 AM   
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Well, this issue has been fought before and in several states they lost in court and the Supreme Court in a couple of states refused to hear the case, so the only reason this is an issue today is because the GOP has nothing else to run on, except cowering to the far right base and to keep the BS flying so they do not have to actually come up with ideas to work on JOBS JOBS JOBS, you know what they ran on last election

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RE: Birth control issue heating up - 2/10/2012 11:32:51 AM   
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The crux of the matter here is that the religious leaders believe women should have to continue the copay for their birth control because they are part of a religious organization.

Are people actually advocating that religion be treated specially in this law? Have religious leaders blinded so many to their greed? This is nothing more than a dollars and cents issue. Catholic organizations offer birth control already.

What they are squabbling about that they feel they should pay less than any other organization.

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RE: Birth control issue heating up - 2/10/2012 11:55:37 AM   
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(Reuters) - President Barack Obama, in an abrupt policy shift aimed at quelling an election-year firestorm, announced on Friday that religious employers would not be required to offer free birth control to workers and that the onus would instead be put on insurers.

The compromise sought to accommodate religious organizations, such as Catholic hospitals and universities, outraged by a new rule that would have required them to offer free contraceptive coverage to women employees.

Instead, the new approach puts the burden on insurance companies, ordering them to provide workers at religious-affiliated institutions with free family planning if they request it, without involving their employer at all, the White House said.

"The result will be that religious organizations won't have to pay for these services," Obama told reporters in the White House briefing room. "But women who work at these institutions will have access to free contraceptives just like other women."

Weighing in publicly on the issue for the first time, Obama acknowledged that religious groups had "genuine concerns" about the birth control rule, but he accused some of his opponents of a cynical effort to turn the issue into a "political football."

The rule had sparked an outcry from Catholic Church leaders, Republican lawmakers and other social conservatives who denounced it as an attack on religious freedom. It had also sown dissent among some of Obama's top advisers.

Health insurance giant Aetna Inc said it would comply with the policy but needed "to study the mechanics of this unprecedented decision before we can understand how it will be implemented and how it will impact our customers."

Republicans seized on the issue, seeing a chance to paint Obama as anti-religion and put him on the defensive as signs of economic improvement appear to have re-energized his re-election bid.

The policy shift was aimed at preventing the issue from becoming a liability for Obama with Catholic voters, while at the same time trying not to anger his liberal base. But it was unlikely to assuage all of the concerns of church leaders, who offered no immediate reaction.

But Sister Carol Keehan, president of the Catholic Health Association of the United States, praised the result, saying she was "pleased and grateful that the religious liberty and conscience protection needs of so many ministries that serve our country were appreciated."

While Obama's fellow Democrats also lauded the move, Fred Upton, Republican chairman of the House of Representatives Energy and Commerce Committee, rejected it and said he remained committed to rescinding it. The prospects for that are dim in a deeply divided Congress.

The controversy pushed a hot-button social issue into the media spotlight ahead of November 6 presidential and congressional elections. Republicans hope to use it to galvanize their conservative base, but it is unclear whether it will resonate with the broader electorate.
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The plan announced Friday was one of the few possible solutions that would not have required legislation, but could be imposed by executive order.

The policy shift was welcomed by some women's groups. Cecile Richards, president of Planned Parenthood Federation, issued a statement saying the new plan "does not compromise a woman's ability to access these critical birth control benefits."

Polls indicate a majority of Americans and Catholics support the rule. A Public Religion Research Institute poll taken last week found 55 percent of Americans want employers to provide healthcare plans that cover contraception and birth control, including nearly six in 10 Catholics.

http://news.yahoo.com/biden-says-contraceptives-fight-worked-010023539.html

Another platform pulled out from under the GOP... and there is nothing they can do to prevent this.

I am simply happy that women will be covered equally regardless of where they work.

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RE: Birth control issue heating up - 2/10/2012 3:05:04 PM   
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The funny thing is this still means Catholic organizations will pay for prescription contraceptives. It will simply be wrapped up in their share of health insurance premiums.

Or does anyone really think the insurers will simply pay for this out of their profits?

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RE: Birth control issue heating up - 2/10/2012 3:12:14 PM   
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Of course not. The Catholics can say.. we dont support birth control.... they can lie through their teeth all they wish.

The religion doesnt. The members do.

Obama didnt cave, nor did he reverse, as servant wants to try and portray it. Obama got what he originally intended... free birth control for women.

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RE: Birth control issue heating up - 2/11/2012 7:10:43 PM   
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In a very general response, My wife says the best form of birth control for her is me taking her fishing up in Canada, I hope the insurance companies will pay for this form of birth control.


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