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Iamsemisweet -> Restaurants and dieting (2/12/2012 11:49:14 AM)

I am on an extremely calorie restricted diet right now. I have another friend who only eats paleo, another that likes high protein. When we go out and eat, we find that Thai restaurants usually have the best menu to accommodate us all. I hate sushi and I don't go to chain type retaurants (like Applebees. Yuck). Any other restaurant suggestions that have the type of menu that accommodates a variety of health concerns?




kalikshama -> RE: Restaurants and dieting (2/12/2012 12:03:48 PM)

Whole Food hot and cold bars?





kalikshama -> RE: Restaurants and dieting (2/12/2012 12:13:30 PM)

So which of you is having the most success?




Edwynn -> RE: Restaurants and dieting (2/12/2012 12:42:38 PM)


When I was a 'strict' vegetarian I liked Vietnamese restaurants a lot and so did everybody (non-veg) I went with. I don't know the calorie difference between rice noodles and egg noodles but I would suspect the former to be noticeably lower (and no gluten). There was a variety of spring rolls (which I prefer to sushi) that seemed to be naturally lower calorie. It's been awhile since I've been to restaurants on even a semi-regular basis, so I am sort of going by 'gut memory' here in suspecting that a good Viet establishment might have some good lower-cal choices.

Some cities might have a 'natural food' type restaurant that serves meat along with many raw and cooked vegetable dishes. Columbia SC and Asheville NC had some of the best of that sort I've experienced. I also like a Cuban cuisine place called La Fonda in Atl. which is actually a small chain (regional) but quite good. From that or any other good Cuban restaurant I would think at least a few of the paella dishes (and others) might fulfill the need here.

There used to be an all raw food establishment in Atl. called The Garden of Eatin' that I wish was still here. They did amazing things with raw food, including a faux 'tuna salad' made with mostly shredded carrots and a few other shredded veggies and spiced perfectly for the task. I'm not at all a fan of the conventional faux foods from soy or HVP, etc. (like 'not dogs,' etc., not a fan of soy or HVP at all, really) but that restaurant was much more creative and original (and successful) in that effort.

Anyways, good luck in your search.







Iamsemisweet -> RE: Restaurants and dieting (2/12/2012 1:31:04 PM)

We all have different goals. I am trying to lose weight, and I have lost 12 pounds since the first of the year. The paleo eater is at a great weight, but is trying to use a change in diet to get past a plateau in her fitness training. The high protein girl is a back slider, she can't stick to it. I would say I am the most successful, currently.
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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

So which of you is having the most success?




Winterapple -> RE: Restaurants and dieting (2/12/2012 5:45:00 PM)

For Paleo and high protein the best choices seem to
be a good steakhouse, American or Japanese.
Big hunk of meat and salad.
You could probably all hit a vegetarian place
and load up on raw vegetables.
There are some choices at Mexican places
for Paleo and high protein but low calorie
might be more of a challenge.




DarkSteven -> RE: Restaurants and dieting (2/12/2012 5:59:30 PM)

Chipotle.  Ask for a burrito bowl (no tortilla), and no rice.  Just meat, salsa, beans, grated cheese, and veggies. 




angelikaJ -> RE: Restaurants and dieting (2/12/2012 6:11:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

I am on an extremely calorie restricted diet right now. I have another friend who only eats paleo, another that likes high protein. When we go out and eat, we find that Thai restaurants usually have the best menu to accommodate us all. I hate sushi and I don't go to chain type retaurants (like Applebees. Yuck). Any other restaurant suggestions that have the type of menu that accommodates a variety of health concerns?


Since you are avoiding chain restaurants many other places will be able to accommodate special requests: I say avoiding chains because a lot of those places come with their meats already sauced or seasoned.
The other places: take a look at their menu, and make a call and just ask.




MusicalBoredom -> RE: Restaurants and dieting (2/12/2012 6:26:22 PM)

The biggest thing you can do is portion control. Skip the heavy dressing and sauces (BBQ sauce is a health and diet killer). Even though we were taught to clean our plates, it's a terrible idea.




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Restaurants and dieting (2/12/2012 7:47:09 PM)

I am reading a book about vegan life styles, and the author said that to much protein in a diet can actually cause health problems, so I'd ask a dr about that personally if I was the high protein person.


Vegan / vegetarian restaurants might have something tasty for every one.




kalikshama -> RE: Restaurants and dieting (2/13/2012 7:35:12 AM)

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I am reading a book about vegan life styles, and the author said that to much protein in a diet can actually cause health problems, so I'd ask a dr about that personally if I was the high protein person.


Dr. Mercola has a good quiz to help you determine your protein type: http://nutritionaltyping.mercola.com/PreTest.aspx.

I feel better the more protein and less carbs I have; my sister does just fine with much less animal protein.










Iamsemisweet -> RE: Restaurants and dieting (2/13/2012 8:34:46 AM)

Because my diet is so calorie restricted at this time, and because this program requires intense aerobic exercise (1 hour at the 80-90% level), I am eating 60% carbs. My trainer and I are not working to build muscle at this time




Iamsemisweet -> RE: Restaurants and dieting (2/13/2012 10:59:48 AM)

Thank you for this, Viet is a good suggestion.  I live in the type of community that does not have a lot of diversity in restaurant choices (a vegan restaurant?  Not a chance), but for some reason, there seems to be a Thai restaurant on every corner.  I will check around for Vietnamese restaurants.  Unfortunately, eating out is hard to do on any controlled eating plan, since you never really know how they prepare their food.  Still, it is a necessity sometimes, and it is good to have some idea of where to go.
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ORIGINAL: Edwynn


When I was a 'strict' vegetarian I liked Vietnamese restaurants a lot and so did everybody (non-veg) I went with. I don't know the calorie difference between rice noodles and egg noodles but I would suspect the former to be noticeably lower (and no gluten). There was a variety of spring rolls (which I prefer to sushi) that seemed to be naturally lower calorie. It's been awhile since I've been to restaurants on even a semi-regular basis, so I am sort of going by 'gut memory' here in suspecting that a good Viet establishment might have some good lower-cal choices.

Some cities might have a 'natural food' type restaurant that serves meat along with many raw and cooked vegetable dishes. Columbia SC and Asheville NC had some of the best of that sort I've experienced. I also like a Cuban cuisine place called La Fonda in Atl. which is actually a small chain (regional) but quite good. From that or any other good Cuban restaurant I would think at least a few of the paella dishes (and others) might fulfill the need here.

There used to be an all raw food establishment in Atl. called The Garden of Eatin' that I wish was still here. They did amazing things with raw food, including a faux 'tuna salad' made with mostly shredded carrots and a few other shredded veggies and spiced perfectly for the task. I'm not at all a fan of the conventional faux foods from soy or HVP, etc. (like 'not dogs,' etc., not a fan of soy or HVP at all, really) but that restaurant was much more creative and original (and successful) in that effort.

Anyways, good luck in your search.








OsideGirl -> RE: Restaurants and dieting (2/13/2012 12:57:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom

I am reading a book about vegan life styles, and the author said that to much protein in a diet can actually cause health problems, so I'd ask a dr about that personally if I was the high protein person.


High protein and extremely low fat can cause health problems. It's called rabbit starvation. So, you've only got half the information and made a blanket statement.




outlier -> RE: Restaurants and dieting (2/13/2012 1:35:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

quote:

ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom

I am reading a book about vegan life styles, and the author said that to much protein in a diet can actually cause health problems, so I'd ask a dr about that personally if I was the high protein person.


High protein and extremely low fat can cause health problems. It's called rabbit starvation. So, you've only got half the information and made a blanket statement.



She did not make a blanket statement.  She reported what she read and made a recommendation.

You gave no references and she did not name the book. 

Here is Dr Oz and Dr. Michael Rozien on too much protein.
http://www.cleveland.com/healthfit/index.ssf/2011/01/eating_too_much_protein_is_ris.html

Here is a page from Dr. Joel Fuhrman's site where he talks about high protein diets.

http://www.drfuhrman.com/library/article2.aspx

You can lose some weight on the Atkins diet plan, but you will damage your health at the same time. Hundreds of scientific studies have documented the link between animal products and various cancers. While it would be wrong to say that animal foods are the sole cause of cancer, it is now clear that increased consumption of animal products, combined with the decreased consumption of fresh produce, has the most powerful effect on increasing one's risk for various kinds of cancer.

Atkins convinces his followers that he knows better than leading nutritional research scientists who proclaim that, "meat consumption is an important factor in the etiology of human cancer."2 Following Atkins' recommendations could more than double your risk of certain cancers, especially of meat-sensitive cancers3, such as epithelial cancers of the respiratory tract.4 For example, in the last study previously referenced, conducted by the National Cancer Institute, researchers looked at lung cancer in non-smoking women, so that smoking would not be a major variable. They found that the relative risk of lung cancer was greater by six-fold in women in the highest fifth of saturated fat consumption, compared to the lowest fifth. Of note is that the high level of saturated fat shown to dramatically increase cancer in this study was still much less than the saturated fat found on the typical Atkins' menu.

Another quote further into the article.

"The Westman Study, funded by the Atkins Center (with a long-term funding arrangement) and interpreted to the media by Atkins and his spokespeople, is another example of how money buys influence at the expense of the unsuspecting public. This short-term study showed a moderate degree of weight loss for about 80% of the initial participants and an average of 10 mg/dl (or 5%) decrease in LDL (bad) cholesterol levels.11

It was heralded to the media as proof that the Atkins diet is safe for the heart. It is well established that blood, fat levels fall as body fat decreases. With any method of weight loss, we will see a drop in cholesterol levels, but in spite of taking fish oils and other supplements known to reduce cholesterol, this study showed an unusual resistance to the expected fall in lipids that we see with other methods of weight loss. Television networks repeatedly aired interviews with Atkins and his representatives interpreting a study paid by the Atkins Institute.

In contrast, an independent, peer-reviewed, extremely comprehensive study on the effects of individuals following an Atkins diet plan looked at the heart function with before and after blood flow evaluations with sophisticated medical tools including myocardial perfusion imaging, echocardiography, and serial blood work. The study showed the blood flow to the heart diminished by an average of 40% after one year on such a high saturated fat, high protein diet, and increased inflammatory markers that predict heart attacks.12 In contrast, a low saturated fat diet given to the control group improved blood flow to the heart by more than 40%. This study clearly illustrated a high protein diet is too dangerous for anyone to consider, even for a short time. Of course, this study was ignored by the media, as it wasn't promoted by a high profile publicity department."

And you will notice that he give footnotes so you can check the studies yourself.

Edited: Spacing





Iamsemisweet -> RE: Restaurants and dieting (2/13/2012 1:42:23 PM)

Sounds delicious to me.   The paleo girl can't eat beans or cheese, however.
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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Chipotle.  Ask for a burrito bowl (no tortilla), and no rice.  Just meat, salsa, beans, grated cheese, and veggies. 




outlier -> RE: Restaurants and dieting (2/13/2012 1:46:30 PM)

The quantity of protein in grams your body needs is your weight
multiplied by .4.  Any excess either becomes a load on your kidneys
or is stored as fat.  This is one of my favorite things to share when talking
about protein. 


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tazzygirl -> RE: Restaurants and dieting (2/13/2012 1:52:37 PM)

Considering Fuhrman is promoting his own weight loss programs, and makes this claim...

“Any other program is an insult to your intelligence,” Dr. Fuhrman boasts.

Any physician who makes this clam is dangerous.




Iamsemisweet -> RE: Restaurants and dieting (2/13/2012 1:54:39 PM)

Outlier, I am implying from this that you advocate avoiding animal proteins?





tazzygirl -> RE: Restaurants and dieting (2/13/2012 1:58:03 PM)

Dont shoot me for saying this... but RT's has a great salad bar.. and the meats are not pre-marinated. Just ask for no seasoning.




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