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USA vs Europe - 2/17/2012 2:47:38 AM   
MrBukani


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Let me make something clear.
I have defended the USA in spite of a general consensus in Europe that the USA is the orirgin of the problem concerning demonic capitalism.
I honour the sacrifice each year your countrymen made to free Europe from the nazis.
Still it becomes harder every year to defend the USA for me.

First question.
How can I defend the USA better over here?

Second question.
What do americans think of Europe.

Fire at will.
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RE: USA vs Europe - 2/17/2012 2:57:53 AM   
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Just to make this perfectly clear, I seriously doubt if you are going to find many Americans who give a shit whether you defend us or not. We are armed. We are fucking insane. We are many. We will defend ourselves. Bet on it.

As to what I think of Europe. I lived there for two years and found the people to be warm and friendly in Portugal, less so in Italy, there was too much beer in Germany for me to remember correctly, but as I recall there was this girl named Greta who was very warm and friendly, Switzerland was cool, they like anyone who spends money there and so on and so forth. Each country in Europe has it's own style, flavor and flair. I found something to enjoy about every country I visited while I lived there.

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RE: USA vs Europe - 2/17/2012 3:12:15 AM   
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I understand your first reply.

It's just hard to defend equality wich is in your constitution, when you do not acknowledge the International Court of Justice, the Peace Palace in the Hague, Holland.
And then go around askin the UN who instated that court to invade Iraq on international law.

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RE: USA vs Europe - 2/17/2012 3:25:00 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MrBukani

I understand your first reply.

It's just hard to defend equality wich is in your constitution, when you do not acknowledge the International Court of Justice, the Peace Palace in the Hague, Holland.
And then go around askin the UN who instated that court to invade Iraq on international law.

...yea, well there are some I am sure that will suggest there is a whole lot less to defend now than there was. Europe and the US had embarked on civil society, governed at the consent of the governed.

They both are sliding away from that principle. Now...it is govt. at the consent of the rich and powerful. So all questions henceforth will have to be directed at them.

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RE: USA vs Europe - 2/17/2012 3:35:58 AM   
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I am just saying, I can somewhat agree with the invasion of Afghanistan because the Taliban refused to deliver a warcriminal like Osama bin Laden.
But like he is killed now, it could have been done so to start with.
With support of the Nortern Alliance without invading, they could have wiped out the Taliban.
Now it is chaos, the good muslims even start to hate the USA and many dear american lives are lost.
Same goes for Iraq, wich is an illegal invasion in the general consensus.
Is it really worth the trillions of dollars and the priceless loss of life to do so.
Is the world really different from twelve years ago?

PS it is not really wise for you, to dont give a shit wether I defend you or not.
I am dutch, we have always been one of the largest investors in your economy.
Its either dumb down or wise up.
You need my kind of people just like we need you.

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RE: USA vs Europe - 2/17/2012 3:39:35 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MrBukani

I understand your first reply.

It's just hard to defend equality wich is in your constitution, when you do not acknowledge the International Court of Justice, the Peace Palace in the Hague, Holland.
And then go around askin the UN who instated that court to invade Iraq on international law.

Our Constitution doesn't apply to you so you are not obligated to defend it, nor should you. In fact, you should question it. Make us think about it. If it's solid, it will hold up to any scrunity and if it's not, we have the ability to change it to make it better. So, please, don't defend it. Tear it apart, word for word. I, for one, am willing to let those words stand or fail on their own.. and when they fail, I will be first in line to try to see they are changed.

It's not the Constitution which is the problem, it's the application and misinterpretation of it that is the problem. It's a President who thinks he can circumvent checks and balances. That's unacceptable and not allowed under our Constitution. It's also a Congress that would play brinksmenship with our Country's financial health, so fuck them, too. I fully plan on personally firing as many of them as I can come November. Our government sucks because the $ people who run it suck out the life and bread out of the masses with greed. We need the government to find our financial balance and get the hell out of the legislate morals business and we'll be much better off.

So, yeah, the government sucks. Our Constitution, however, fucking rocks.

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RE: USA vs Europe - 2/17/2012 3:46:19 AM   
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I love your constitution, it rocks for sure. It's written on hemp paper for pete's sake
Our government sucks big time too. Don't get me wrong.

PS I am questioning every contradiction.

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RE: USA vs Europe - 2/17/2012 4:02:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MrBukani

I love your constitution, it rocks for sure. It's written on hemp paper for pete's sake


That's an urban legend, actually. It's not true. The drafts may have been written on hemp, but the actual archived signed with iron gall ink Constitution is written on parchment.

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RE: USA vs Europe - 2/17/2012 4:04:23 AM   
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Thanks for clearing that up.

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RE: USA vs Europe - 2/17/2012 4:52:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MrBukani

I love your constitution, it rocks for sure. It's written on hemp paper for pete's sake



I didn't know it was written on hemp. What did they use to make the roach?

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RE: USA vs Europe - 2/17/2012 5:01:29 AM   
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Let me say something about the USA

We love musclecars
We love spareribs
We love barbequesauce
We love Jimi Hendrix, the Doors, Motown, Blues and Jazz
We love free enterprise
We love Hollywood
We love the Grand Canyon
We love NY

Back to you.

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RE: USA vs Europe - 2/17/2012 5:19:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrBukani

I love your constitution, it rocks for sure. It's written on hemp paper for pete's sake



I didn't know it was written on hemp. What did they use to make the roach?

We used bibles when there was no ricepaper.

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RE: USA vs Europe - 2/17/2012 5:25:58 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MrBukani

I understand your first reply.

It's just hard to defend equality wich is in your constitution, when you do not acknowledge the International Court of Justice, the Peace Palace in the Hague, Holland.
And then go around askin the UN who instated that court to invade Iraq on international law.
I think you have America confused with Texas.

The Texas Mafia is out of synch with mainstream Americans, and the Bushes themselves are apparently part of a neo-aristocratic international cabal, certainly, much of their agenda appears to have been for the benefit of BP, not the USA.

Europe is a collection of fairly distinct countries, so it's hard to form an opinion about such a diverse group, though overall, there is much to admire about continental culture, and in some ways, we're moving towards that, the "slow food" movement, which elevates taste above convenience, etc.

Politically, I think both continents are about on par, depends on how far back you go, but backsliding into feudalism is a constant battle, all economies tend towards feudalism, just the cumulative effect of self interest as the haves always fear the have not's are out to take their shit, and start generating and supporting increasingly caste-ish philosophies, which comes to a head from time to time.

Right now, we've been going headlong down a more feudal path, Bush really played on the cowboy mythology that was established by Reagan's handlers, even though he is himself, for all intents and purposes, an East Coast, frat boy elitist himself, but there are signs we're waking up from that. Europe I don't know, the EU seems pretty cartel-ish to me, but I can't say I've really studied it in depth.

Mass media is much more pervasive here, and public opinion is not always as firmly entrenched as it seems, the Bush regime, which used isolationist jingoism to sell globalist policies (!) generated a lot of opposition, even among conservatives, and it probably won't be as easy to pull that off again anytime soon.

i.e., given a little time, I think we'll rebuild much of the international dialogue that we had before Bush - still, the shit that the IMF, WB, etc. tried to pull means that globalization is still something of a dirty word, and it looks a lot like a financial aristocracy from the ground.

Sorting all these different interest groups out, and I think in many ways, it's as they say: the nation-state has been at least temporarily superseded by tranches of related financial interests, much of it a result of advances in communications technology. "We the People" might catch up eventually, but right now, we're pretty much in the van.

Globalization itself is inevitable, but I think we're going to be arguing over the details for quite a while - it's the American way!


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RE: USA vs Europe - 2/17/2012 5:35:41 AM   
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I admit we were obsessed with Dallas and the Ewings over here.
Texas the one star state.
Good insight xssve.

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RE: USA vs Europe - 2/17/2012 5:36:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MrBukani

It's just hard to defend equality wich is in your constitution, when you do not acknowledge the International Court of Justice, the Peace Palace in the Hague, Holland.
And then go around askin the UN who instated that court to invade Iraq on international law.


Lemme give you a hint.  The current crop of GOP candidates is doing everything in their power to evoke Ronald Reagan.  In other words, neither Bush really existed, especially the one who just served.

If the GOP refuses to recognize Bush and the nation would rather not think of him, why should you acknowledge his acts?


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RE: USA vs Europe - 2/17/2012 5:55:25 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MrBukani

Let me make something clear.
I have defended the USA in spite of a general consensus in Europe that the USA is the orirgin of the problem concerning demonic capitalism.
I honour the sacrifice each year your countrymen made to free Europe from the nazis.
Still it becomes harder every year to defend the USA for me.

First question.
How can I defend the USA better over here?

Second question.
What do americans think of Europe.

Fire at will.


Just what would you defend? What idea that would be America would you defend?

Too many opinions of Europe to say "America" has an opinion. But those I know and hang out with all agree, you'll do much better when dealing in Marks, Francs, Lira and Drachma.

a general consensus in Europe that the USA is the orirgin of the problem concerning demonic capitalism.

For an understanding of the origins of, (your words) demonic capitalism, look to the bankers. Historically, I'd begin any introduction into modern banking with Mayer Rothschild. Hardly American. Whether urban legend or not, this attributed quote to him sums up what we see every day now -

Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws.

This applies to both the US and EU.

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RE: USA vs Europe - 2/17/2012 6:04:04 AM   
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I kind of understand what you are saying here Steven.
The only response I got for it is from V
The people should not fear their government, the government should fear the people.





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RE: USA vs Europe - 2/17/2012 6:09:50 AM   
MrBukani


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Most of us never wanted the Euro,
and yes we invented banking systems and capitalism.
It's just easy to point the finger at the USA for ignorant people.

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RE: USA vs Europe - 2/17/2012 6:57:12 AM   
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Actually I believe the Muslims invented Banks.

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RE: USA vs Europe - 2/17/2012 7:02:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: xssve

Actually I believe the Muslims invented Banks.

Well the urban myth is the templars did, through banking notes.
But concerning coin and debt.
I say coin to Lydia western day Turkey, so Asia if you please.

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