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RE: USA vs Europe - 2/17/2012 7:52:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, the story is the Templars borrowed the concept of the bank note, essentially a letter of credit, during the Crusades, from the Muslims, who needed such a device for the safety of merchants traveling through bandit infested territory.

Adam Smith invented Capitalism, as an alternative to the feudal systems that prevailed, although Mercantilism was common at time, itself evolved from the juxtaposition of feudalism and globalism, a form of economic colonization, that can still be detected, although it is in fact, distinct form capitalism.

Most of what is commonly called capitalism, isn't, it's some form of feudalism, Mercantilism, or Corporatism, or combination thereof, as they're all related.

Capitalism, by definition, is a moral philosophy specifically designed to short circuit the tendency towards feudalism (patronage, leading to monopoly) through the mechanism of self interest in competition. Without free competion, on as level a playing field as possible, it isn't capitalism.

So predatory capitalism was essentially invented in Great Britain during the industrial revolution, and the regulatory state evolved to mediate it - what is happening in America at the moment is not invention, it's retrograde backsliding.

Been there, done that, basically, and it is very unstable in the long term, for reasons systematically and exhaustively described long ago by Adam Smith - can you say... Tulips?


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RE: USA vs Europe - 2/17/2012 8:05:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		The first time I heard a foreigner say tulip, I thought he said I chewed my lip.
Solid answer I can research that, thanks.

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RE: USA vs Europe - 2/17/2012 8:17:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think we have more in common then what separates us. We are like siblings…always fighting but have each others backs when it counts. The European heritage of the US makes it impossible for a we against them way of thinking because we are them….lol

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RE: USA vs Europe - 2/17/2012 8:27:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am right smack middle in the line of fire of a family feud concerning mother. So yes I have my families back. But if my brothers keep refusing facts, they will loose their babybrother.

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RE: USA vs Europe - 2/17/2012 8:31:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		MrBukani, as you research whatever it is you're after, look into the Warburg (banking) family, specifically the brothers Max, Felix, and Paul (who was instrumental in creating the US Federal Reserve). Wiki has a bit on them. Rothschild, Schiff and Warburg. Fascinating.

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RE: USA vs Europe - 2/17/2012 8:34:39 AM   
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Now I will reply to what we think a bit of our american brother.

We think Obama will win no matter what.
Why?
How many presidents didnt make their term?
What kinda rep competiton we see in the arena.
mitt rumbly the mormon do gooder?
newt putrid gingrich gangria?
ron nazi marihuana paul
or
Santorum the choirboy?

Just a view

editititit sounds like annie yachtieBut thanks never heard their names. Yes I am researching as much I can.

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RE: USA vs Europe - 2/17/2012 8:36:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well maybe you rather than your brothers need to face facts. It does no good to complain about what you taught us...just because we do it better. There is no real difference in business...or in people...in general we are all from the same stock and harbor the same thinking.

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RE: USA vs Europe - 2/17/2012 8:39:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: kdsub

Well maybe you rather than your brothers need to face facts. It does no good to complain about what you taught us...just because we do it better. There is no real difference in business...or in people...in general we are all from the same stock and harbor the same thinking.

Butch

Yes same stock but different views, I am old school, they are new.
I can respect that to a certain extent.
I dont have to accept everything.

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RE: USA vs Europe - 2/17/2012 8:48:33 AM   
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Let me make something clear.
I have defended the USA in spite of a general consensus in Europe that the USA is the orirgin of the problem concerning demonic capitalism.
I honour the sacrifice each year your countrymen made to free Europe from the nazis.
Still it becomes harder every year to defend the USA for me.

First question.
How can I defend the USA better over here?

Second question.
What do americans think of Europe.

Fire at will.


I will just answer your two questions solely from my perspective.

I don't see a need for you to defend the USA. Smart people will understand that the stupidity you see in our television programmes and our government is not a direct reflection of the individual citizens as human beings. Both our government and television, are a hyper sensationalized vision of our reality. As individuals, Europeans, Americans, Saudis, South Africans, Chinese, etc etc etc.....we have a lot more in common than not.

As for how THIS American views Europe. Well, I don't see Europe as a whole. There are countries I will visit before I die if I have to swim the motherfucking ocean to do it. There are countries I will visit if it's along the way. There are countries that are pretty fucked up from where I sit, and others that seem to be doing a good job of keeping on keeping on. There are a few that just seem dismal and/or boring.

I don't see any countries government as a direct reflection of the citizens of that country as human beings. When I travel, outside of how it affects my personal safety, I don't give a shit about the government. I care about the culture and the people living it. I want to dive into a different world and experience it with all of my senses. Learn it's history and what the people living there are all about and what they love about their home. Each part of Europe offers a different experience. Least of that is whatever machinations their current government leaders are up to.

I changed my mind about the capitalism bit. Certainly I agree that US citizens are pretty horrible when it comes to wanting the stuff, money, and status they perceive that money and special stuff brings them. We are disgustingly ridiculous about it. But to place the cause on the US is pretty fucking narrow minded. Japan ranks right up there with it's consumerism of pretty toys. And sincerely, let's face it. To blame the US is like saying we tied people down, stuck a funnel in their mouths and poured the Koolaid down their throats. If Europeans bought into the gig it was of their own free will. Unless of course, they want to admit to being a bunch of weak minded mambys...... That one is totally on them.

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RE: USA vs Europe - 2/17/2012 9:02:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		Since the Euro Europe is a capitalist Ho
It didnt benefit the people.
We pay twice the price since a decade now.
Its sucked dry
Period.

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RE: USA vs Europe - 2/17/2012 9:14:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't want to be harsh or unrealistic but, that sounds like a personal problem.

Things ain't getting any cheaper around here yanno.

Yes I know in this age, Europe's problems affect the US and visa versa, but we cannot hold Europe responsible for our stupid choices and visa versa. aka.....you fix your shit and it's up to us to fix ours. And hopefully (though I am cynical about it) we all learn something from it and don't do the same stupid shit again.

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RE: USA vs Europe - 2/17/2012 9:16:31 AM   
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Let me make something clear.
I have defended the USA in spite of a general consensus in Europe that the USA is the orirgin of the problem concerning demonic capitalism.


That's CORRECT and BEFORE IT There was ONLY a FISTULA-RIDDEN Utterly Vile and Murderous royal family of England Ruling nearly every part of the world that engages in trade.
The Ruling class apparently figured out there was room or need for BOTH

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I honour the sacrifice each year your countrymen made to free Europe from the nazis.
Still it becomes harder every year to defend the USA for me.


Well, I liked getting Jules Verne Victor Hugo, The Beatles, Traffic, The Who, Elvis Costello, And Warren Zevon... But if you folks send ONE MORE RIVER DANCE TOUR HERE, there are going to be some problems.

quote:

First question.
How can I defend the USA better over here?


Easy, if you really want to help... Invite prominent Right Wing Americans on Weekend bed and breakfast packages and simply figure some way of getting them all in the Brittish channel tunnel and flood the fucker.
  I promise that I will personally offer high praise to all of Europe for "defending me".

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Second question.
What do americans think of Europe.


You folks are alright, cept for that Riverdance matter discussed earlier... Oh, and you aren't emigrating NEARLY enough Scandinavian Women to the US... Take care of those two things and you folks will be looking just spiffy to us.
I hope that helps.



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RE: USA vs Europe - 2/17/2012 9:19:12 AM   
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Since the Euro Europe is a capitalist Ho
It didnt benefit the people.


Hold on ... Lemme check my wallet.... Nope not a euro in there... sorry
God save the queen... cause I think she and her slacker family have the rest of your euros.



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RE: USA vs Europe - 2/17/2012 9:46:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		We already send you Doutze Kroes, thats our frisian queen you hijacked for Vogue magazine!
And its not Engaland alone rulin the waves.
I'm a flying dutchman yaknow.

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RE: USA vs Europe - 2/17/2012 9:54:39 AM   
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I will give you a figure my red white and blue.
Dutch richies pay 50% tax, how much tax does america's richest pay?

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RE: USA vs Europe - 2/17/2012 10:02:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		We cannot just fix our problems ourselves, We need general consensus about import, trade and traffic. We need consensus about international law.

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RE: USA vs Europe - 2/17/2012 10:50:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SternSkipper
Well, I liked getting Jules Verne Victor Hugo, The Beatles, Traffic, The Who, Elvis Costello, And Warren Zevon... But if you folks send ONE MORE RIVER DANCE TOUR HERE, there are going to be some problems.

You folks are alright, cept for that Riverdance matter discussed earlier...

Stern, Riverdance is just minimally Irish. It is a romanticised collection of Irishisms made from a uniquely American perspective, much like the Hollywood movies of the 1950's (e.g. the Quiet Man). The proof? Just compare a clip on Youtube of traditional Irish dancing with Riverdance. Don't blame us, its a mish-mash from the product of American culture.


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RE: USA vs Europe - 2/17/2012 11:02:47 AM   
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Most of us never wanted the Euro,
and yes we invented banking systems and capitalism.
It's just easy to point the finger at the USA for ignorant people.


Hey ... ever have a look at an American Phone Book? You'd recognize a whole lot of familiar sounding names from that sucker.


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RE: USA vs Europe - 2/17/2012 11:04:21 AM   
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I'm a flying dutchman yaknow.


Cool how did the Herring season go this year?



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RE: USA vs Europe - 2/17/2012 11:09:47 AM   
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We cannot just fix our problems ourselves,



Best you do, or do you want to partner with Washington? Hell, look at Greece. How's the EU doing at helping them out?

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