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RE: When did Sean Penn become a politician??? - 2/17/2012 12:43:28 PM   
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I guess only "polititians" can voice an opinion....

God forbid Sidney Poitier and Harry Belafonte should have helped out when MLK asked them to....... they should have butted out.

Or Gandhi.......he wasn`t a "politician"..............how dare he mind other people`s business......

There are a lot of actors who try to bring public attention to problems,George Clooney and his dad doing documentaries about Darfar......I bet money there`s some in folks in Sudan who think he should butt-out of their business....



http://www.theatlanticwire.com/global/2011/07/how-george-clooneys-satellite-group-identifying-mass-graves-sudan/39989/

"How George Clooney's Satellite Group Is Identifying Mass Graves in Sudan"

Such a do-gooder..........




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RE: When did Sean Penn become a politician??? - 2/17/2012 2:03:07 PM   
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The very moment you concerned yourselves with him.

You`re welcome.

Could you please explain the "real position" to us.

Thank you.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17045169

Here is a timeline of events. The irony of an American arguing about who inhabited the place first is lost on Sean Penn. The fact remains that the local populace wish to remain part of Britain. As you can see from the timeline, Argentinian claims to the territory come pretty late on. The Islands were also uninhabited when British sailors landed there in 1690.


Not surprisingly the article in the Mail is terribly skewed against Sean Penn, using every little trick to weaken his crediblity.

The history of the British presence in the Faulklands/Maldives is muddled. The British arrived after the French and they did consign the islands to the Spanish, and they did pretty much abandon the place for a good stretch although they left a plaque behind [much like leaving the USA flag on the moon ]

England conferred British citizenship upon the Islanders and now champions their right to self-determintion. Absurd machinations.

Sean Penn gained a lot of street cred imo by visiting Iraq and standing against GW Bush and most of the USA. Penn was right; the rest of us were wrong.

The British interest in the mineral rights around the island smacks of 19th C colonialism. Y'all gave up Hong Kong. It's time for you to give up the rest of your overseas possessions . . . .just as it is time for the USA to release its hold on Guantanamo [as we did the Canal Zone] and France to get out of Indochine . . .oh wait, they were kicked out. Forgot.

Time to come in from the 19th Century.

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RE: When did Sean Penn become a politician??? - 2/17/2012 3:30:28 PM   
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Penn is entitled to his opinion on this whether any of us agree with him or not.

I do think that if the majority of the island wants to remain British that should be taken into account. Although, by that token, technically, a majority of the population in Northern Ireland is in fact, some denomination of Protestant, but I still feel the British should get out.

And as an American, I'm not big on British colonialism anyway....



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RE: When did Sean Penn become a politician??? - 2/17/2012 4:01:48 PM   
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Penn is entitled to his opinion on this whether any of us agree with him or not.

I do think that if the majority of the island wants to remain British that should be taken into account. Although, by that token, technically, a majority of the population in Northern Ireland is in fact, some denomination of Protestant, but I still feel the British should get out.

And as an American, I'm not big on British colonialism anyway....




Hmmmm . . . how do you feel about American colonialism if defined as the imposition of military or economic power upon a weaker people without necessarily occupying their land ? Central America comes to mind.

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RE: When did Sean Penn become a politician??? - 2/17/2012 4:15:24 PM   
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Penn is entitled to his opinion on this whether any of us agree with him or not.

I do think that if the majority of the island wants to remain British that should be taken into account. Although, by that token, technically, a majority of the population in Northern Ireland is in fact, some denomination of Protestant, but I still feel the British should get out.

And as an American, I'm not big on British colonialism anyway....




Hmmmm . . . how do you feel about American colonialism if defined as the imposition of military or economic power upon a weaker people without necessarily occupying their land ? Central America comes to mind.




With the exception of alaska which part of the u.s. did we acquire without the force of arms or the threat there of?

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RE: When did Sean Penn become a politician??? - 2/17/2012 4:22:42 PM   
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Not surprisingly the article in the Mail is terribly skewed against Sean Penn, using every little trick to weaken his crediblity.

The history of the British presence in the Faulklands/Maldives is muddled. The British arrived after the French and they did consign the islands to the Spanish, and they did pretty much abandon the place for a good stretch although they left a plaque behind [much like leaving the USA flag on the moon ]

England conferred British citizenship upon the Islanders and now champions their right to self-determintion. Absurd machinations.

Sean Penn gained a lot of street cred imo by visiting Iraq and standing against GW Bush and most of the USA. Penn was right; the rest of us were wrong.

The British interest in the mineral rights around the island smacks of 19th C colonialism. Y'all gave up Hong Kong. It's time for you to give up the rest of your overseas possessions . . . .just as it is time for the USA to release its hold on Guantanamo [as we did the Canal Zone] and France to get out of Indochine . . .oh wait, they were kicked out. Forgot.

Time to come in from the 19th Century.



You are correct that the current spat may be to do with mineral rights although you would have done better to read the timeline before posting. Britain were there prior to the French, there were also no inhabitants when Britain returned in 1833. The islanders didnt get British citizenship conferred on them, since they were already British.

As for Hong kong, we didnt give it up, we gave it back. The colony was on lease from China and returned, much against the wishes of the locals, when the lease ran out.

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RE: When did Sean Penn become a politician??? - 2/17/2012 4:30:49 PM   
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Penn is entitled to his opinion on this whether any of us agree with him or not.

I do think that if the majority of the island wants to remain British that should be taken into account. Although, by that token, technically, a majority of the population in Northern Ireland is in fact, some denomination of Protestant, but I still feel the British should get out.

And as an American, I'm not big on British colonialism anyway....





Lmao re Northern Ireland. It makes me laugh everytime I hear a mention that we should get out, despite the fact both faiths have lived there for over 400 years. Many of the so called Scots Irish were actually of English and Welsh extraction.

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RE: When did Sean Penn become a politician??? - 2/17/2012 4:40:32 PM   
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Sean Penn, has done some good, but hes always been "rough, but he tried to walk the walk.
I personally cant stand him as a character, or actor, but he will put himself out there in the center of the issue.
As far as the falklands go.... He can go slide down a bannister of razors.
Until his history is factual. I see no need to listen to him

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RE: When did Sean Penn become a politician??? - 2/17/2012 4:42:33 PM   
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"Slide down a bannister of razors".......... Do you mind if i pass on that Sweetiepie.

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RE: When did Sean Penn become a politician??? - 2/17/2012 4:45:04 PM   
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I think Sean Penn is a great actor, one of the best (ever).
My general impression of him as a person is he's bit
of an ass though not one of the biggest (ever).
His work for Haiti is admirable and seems sincere.
Some of his political opinions such as his attitude
about Hugo Chavez seem naive.
Just because someone is an actor doesn't mean they
can't have political opinions and voice them.
I thought his heart was in the right place when he
went to Iraq but he was perhaps naive if well meaning.
Actors have taken a few brave stances. Brando,
Paul Newman and to be fair Heston went to the March
on Washington and supported civil rights when it was
still risky to do so. People wanted actors to keep their
mouths shut then to.
Kirk Douglas helped bring down the backlist when he
hired Dalton Trumbo to write Spartacus.
Paul Newman was a delagare from CT for Eugene
McCarthy and made Nixons enemies list(good as a
Oscar any day).
There are and have always been right wing actors to.


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RE: When did Sean Penn become a politician??? - 2/17/2012 4:47:33 PM   
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France established a colony at Port St. Louis, on East Falkland's Berkeley Sound coast in 1764. The French name Îles Malouines was given to the islands – malouin being the adjective for the Breton port of Saint-Malo. The Spanish name Islas Malvinas is a translation of the French name.

In 1765, Capt. John Byron, who was unaware of the French presence in the east, explored Saunders Island, in the west, named the harbour Port Egmont, and claimed this and other islands for Britain on the grounds of prior discovery. The next year Captain John MacBride established a British settlement at Port Egmont. These events were nearly the cause of a war between Britain and Spain, both countries having sent armed fleets to contest sovereignty of the strategically important islands.

In 1766, France agreed to leave, and Spain agreed to reimburse Louis de Bougainville, who had established a settlement at his own expense. The Spaniards assumed control in 1767 and re-named Port St. Louis as Puerto Soledad.

Meanwhile, the British presence in the west continued, until interrupted by Spain during the Falkland Crisis from 10 July 1770 to 22 January 1771. As a result of economic pressures stemming from the upcoming American War of Independence, Britain unilaterally chose to withdraw from many overseas settlements in 1774.[1] On 20 May 1776 the British forces under the command of Lt. Clayton formally took their leave of Port Egmont, while leaving a plaque asserting Britain's continuing sovereignty over the islands.[2]

Spain ruled the Islands from Buenos Aires until 1811, withdrawing due to the pressures of the Peninsular war against Bonapartist rule at home and the moves toward independence by her South American colonies. Like Britain earlier, Spain left behind a plaque proclaiming her sovereignty.

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As well as the military build-up, the UK also passed the British Nationality (Falkland Islands) Act 1983 which granted full British citizenship to the islanders. Read more here . . .

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As for Hong kong, we didnt give it up, we gave it back. The colony was on lease from China and returned, much against the wishes of the locals, when the lease ran out.


So much for local self-determination. And of course the "lease" was actually three treaties obtained by holding a canon to the heads of whatever weaklings were ruling China at the time. Can you spell "Gunboat Diplomacy?"

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RE: When did Sean Penn become a politician??? - 2/17/2012 4:50:52 PM   
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I thought many of the Scots Irish were descended from Scots
who got pushed out of the Highlands.
Not that I think it's really here nor there in the
twenty first century. And other than offending
people who feel differently how does Penn's view
on the Faulklands impact anyones life?


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RE: When did Sean Penn become a politician??? - 2/17/2012 4:52:11 PM   
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Some of his political opinions such as his attitude
about Hugo Chavez seem naive.


Naive if you ignore more than a century of USA military and economic interference in Latin America that left the indigenous people impoverished and at the mercy of Right Wing dictators.

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RE: When did Sean Penn become a politician??? - 2/17/2012 4:53:36 PM   
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And other than offending
people who feel differently how does Penn's view
on the Faulklands impact anyones life?


Why did the Daily Mail make it an issue?

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RE: When did Sean Penn become a politician??? - 2/17/2012 4:55:55 PM   
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I don't ignore any of that but a dictator is dictator whether
he's on the right or on the left.

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RE: When did Sean Penn become a politician??? - 2/17/2012 4:57:29 PM   
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Because they're the Daily Mail. Because it was grist for the mill.

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RE: When did Sean Penn become a politician??? - 2/17/2012 5:26:57 PM   
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WTG on missing the vital points Vincent. Like I said, Britain were first to lay claim to the islands in 1690, long before Spain or France and certainly long before the current claimants, Argentina.

As for the gunboat dimplomacy remark, you need to read up on the history of the islands. If anything a lease was forced on Britain, because prior to that we held it in perpetuity.

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RE: When did Sean Penn become a politician??? - 2/17/2012 5:28:04 PM   
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I thought many of the Scots Irish were descended from Scots
who got pushed out of the Highlands.



Many were, but a large percentage were also English and Welsh.

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RE: When did Sean Penn become a politician??? - 2/17/2012 5:35:31 PM   
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Why did the Daily Mail make it an issue?


Because Prince William is deployed in the Falklands?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/feb/15/sean-penn-prince-william-falklands

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RE: When did Sean Penn become a politician??? - 2/17/2012 5:51:29 PM   
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Why did the Daily Mail make it an issue?


Because Prince William is deployed in the Falklands?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/feb/15/sean-penn-prince-william-falklands



To be fair to the Mail, this was all over the UK media. I think the timing of sending William to the Falklands was wrong, since it would only inflame the argument. More so since his uncle served as a helicopter pilot in the Falklands war.

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