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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
With the exception of alaska which part of the u.s. did we acquire without the force of arms or the threat there of?

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
With the exception of alaska which part of the u.s. did we acquire without the force of arms or the threat there of?

Louisiana purchase.

Gadsden purchase.

Purchase of the Virgin Islands from Denmark.

Red river Basin acquired by treaty from the UK in 1818

Midway atoll, Kingman Reef, Jarvis Island.

Wake Island, 1899

Northern Mariana Islands.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
With the exception of alaska which part of the u.s. did we acquire without the force of arms or the threat there of?

Louisiana purchase.

Gadsden purchase.

Purchase of the Virgin Islands from Denmark.

Red river Basin acquired by treaty from the UK in 1818

Midway atoll, Kingman Reef, Jarvis Island.

Wake Island, 1899

Northern Mariana Islands.

Hypothetical question Will and not aimed soley at you. Would buying land from those nasty colonial types differ from buying a stolen car ?

My whole problem with the idea of colonies and empires is that is what mankind has been doing from day one. aquiring land belonging to others for one reason or another. It may not have been pleasant but it was how it was. We cant change history, just strive not to make the mistakes of the past.

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As for the gunboat dimplomacy remark, you need to read up on the history of the islands. If anything a lease was forced on Britain, because prior to that we held it in perpetuity.

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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As for the gunboat dimplomacy remark, you need to read up on the history of the islands. If anything a lease was forced on Britain, because prior to that we held it in perpetuity.

Forced on Britain? Really? The world's strongest Empire in the 19th C ? I will not laugh rudely. Please check your history of the Opium Wars.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: Winterapple
I thought many of the Scots Irish were descended from Scots
who got pushed out of the Highlands.

Many were, but a large percentage were also English and Welsh.

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As for the gunboat dimplomacy remark, you need to read up on the history of the islands. If anything a lease was forced on Britain, because prior to that we held it in perpetuity.

Forced on Britain? Really? The world's strongest Empire in the 19th C ? I will not laugh rudely. Please check your history of the Opium Wars.

Check the timeline of treaties over Hong Kong

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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

Penn is entitled to his opinion on this whether any of us agree with him or not.

I do think that if the majority of the island wants to remain British that should be taken into account. Although, by that token, technically, a majority of the population in Northern Ireland is in fact, some denomination of Protestant, but I still feel the British should get out.

And as an American, I'm not big on British colonialism anyway....

Lmao re Northern Ireland. It makes me laugh everytime I hear a mention that we should get out, despite the fact both faiths have lived there for over 400 years. Many of the so called Scots Irish were actually of English and Welsh extraction.

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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess
Penn is entitled to his opinion on this whether any of us agree with him or not.

I do think that if the majority of the island wants to remain British that should be taken into account. Although, by that token, technically, a majority of the population in Northern Ireland is in fact, some denomination of Protestant, but I still feel the British should get out.

And as an American, I'm not big on British colonialism anyway....

Lmao re Northern Ireland. It makes me laugh everytime I hear a mention that we should get out, despite the fact both faiths have lived there for over 400 years. Many of the so called Scots Irish were actually of English and Welsh extraction.

If both faiths have been there for over 400 years, then why should it be part of the United Kingdom at all? Why can't it be its own sovereign state? Or choose to be part of another country? Why does the United Kingdom get claim to Northern Ireland if the Roman Catholic population has been there just as long? What allows you to be so sure of your supremacy in that part of the globe? Your own argument can cut just as easily the other way.

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras

Both faiths have been there for 400 or so years but this is just as much a war over land as religion, and unfortunately the indigenous populace that had been Catholic since Christianity came to Ireland in the 5th Century, was pushed to the side to make way for more loyal subjects... BTW I have heard Polite being called a "high Tory" in the past. I oft wondered what that meant, e.g. was Polite a tall Tory etc., until I made the connection with Tory Island right at the most Northern tip of Ireland, a place famed for its rebellions against the British!

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
Both faiths have been there for 400 or so years but this is just as much a war over land as religion, and unfortunately the indigenous populace that had been Catholic since Christianity came to Ireland in the 5th Century, was pushed to the side to make way for more loyal subjects... BTW I have heard Polite being called a "high Tory" in the past. I oft wondered what that meant, e.g. was Polite a tall Tory etc., until I made the connection with Tory Island right at the most Northern tip of Ireland, a place famed for its rebellions against the British!

Ah, but isn't war always about the land/the economy/who controls the purse strings. I don't actually believe in the concept of the true religious war - at the end of the day, it is all about control of resources.

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
Very often it is but not always IMHO. Religion becomes pretty important when you believe you and yours will face eternal damnation in the firey pits of Hell should you convert to Protestantism. Religious divisions on grounds of belief were clear such as old sayings like "The protestant dog jumped over the hob and ate meat on a friday."

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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
Very often it is but not always IMHO. Religion becomes pretty important when you believe you and yours will face eternal damnation in the firey pits of Hell should you convert to Protestantism. Religious divisions on grounds of belief were clear such as old sayings like "The protestant dog jumped over the hob and ate meat on a friday."

Maybe we can just get everyone to enjoy BDSM, and that way we can all agree that we are all likely to face eternal damnation. Once we're all on a level playing field, it will make solving the rest of the world's problems much easier.

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My grandad, hes getting on a bit though and was 341 last week.

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Ah, but isn't war always about the land/the economy/who controls the purse strings. I don't actually believe in the concept of the true religious war - at the end of the day, it is all about control of resources.

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My grandad, hes getting on a bit though and was 341 last week.

And WTF does he attribute his longevity to?... surely not the wholesome living of his grand children.

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

"After the Chinese defeat in the First Opium War (1839-42), Hong Kong was ceded to Britain in 1842 under the Treaty of Nanking. Britain was granted a perpetual lease on the Kowloon Peninsula under the 1860 Convention of Beijing, which formally ended hostilities in the Second Opium War (1856-58). The United Kingdom, concerned that Hong Kong could not be defended unless surrounding areas also were under British control, executed a 99-year lease of the New Territories in 1898, significantly expanding the size of the Hong Kong colony."

Under what stretch of imagination was a lease imposed on Britain by China in 1898? You held it in perpetuity by force of arms in the Opium Wars. I am surprised that you so easily deny the colonial conquests of the Empire. But then there are many Americans who deny we are a world empire today. Amazing how people can turn a blind eye to the adventures of their own country.

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ORIGINAL: Miserlou

you know vincent, in your little history lesson i don't see any mention of argentina. just where does their claim get its legitimacy?