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SternSkipper -> RE: Hypocrisy or Obsession (2/24/2012 5:10:24 PM)
quote: Ah, magic words moment. So you are accusing me of being a hypocrite? Haha... you're Gorean Jesus' strawman account, aren't you?[:D] What a riot... hey do a paragraph based on "I find it interesting ...." Those are a riot.

BenevolentM -> RE: Hypocrisy or Obsession (2/24/2012 5:50:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SternSkipper quote: Screw your complement. I don't need it. It is dirty. What you need to do is to stop getting the metallic spray paint try a flat color You may be right. quote: ORIGINAL: SternSkipper quote: Ah, magic words moment. So you are accusing me of being a hypocrite? Haha... you're Gorean Jesus' strawman account, aren't you?[:D] What a riot... hey do a paragraph based on "I find it interesting ...." Those are a riot. You are into fact patterns. Though professionals are often into such things, it is inherently shallow. You established at best suspicion, not probable cause. You gave a fact pattern and I gave a stronger counter, actual argument. I won. Personally, I think I was spot on; you regard men as competitors.

BenevolentM -> RE: Hypocrisy or Obsession (2/24/2012 6:34:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri The Hellraiser franchise is, perhaps, my favorite horror franchise. Oddly enough, I had an odd sort of understanding with what Pinhead does. Pinhead is the alpha-Sadist. He enjoys putting people through all sorts of pain. It is that thin line between pain and pleasure that he works around, or at least used to work around. Since Hellraiser may be perhaps your favorite horror franchise in interest of conversation and having observed that Hellraiser has been so meaty, can you name some others as well? I suspect this thin line of pain and pleasure is a characteristic of seduction in general, including the seduction into faith and Holiness. The unraveling results in opportunities for pain and the pain is a sign that your lover is close.

BenevolentM -> RE: Hypocrisy or Obsession (2/24/2012 6:53:05 PM)
There does seem to be something sadomasochistic as in hypocritical about scratching my athlete's foot as I cause mild injury to the skin. I am, however, applying the medicine as I scratch my foot. Take the medicine you fungus! Take the medicine.

BenevolentM -> RE: Hypocrisy or Obsession (2/25/2012 12:47:26 AM)
In light of what I wrote in post 95 in the thread Could you resist and why would you want to? http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4042763 it is ironic that I should find solace in my own words: "I suspect this thin line of pain and pleasure is a characteristic of seduction in general, including the seduction into faith and Holiness. The unraveling results in opportunities for pain and the pain is a sign that your lover is close." post 123 http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4042527

MrBukani -> RE: Hypocrisy or Obsession (2/25/2012 1:09:57 AM)
It is obvious it is what YOU percieve to be the real world. Socrates was put to death for exploring the absolute truth and thus reality. Its the lies wich make things so UNREAL some people truly live in another dimension. So? What's real? Edit this post is not in reply of SS thats NOT real.

BenevolentM -> RE: Hypocrisy or Obsession (2/25/2012 1:41:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrBukani It is obvious it is what YOU percieve to be the real world. Socrates was put to death for exploring the absolute truth and thus reality. Its the lies wich make things so UNREAL some people truly live in another dimension. So? What's real? Edit this post is not in reply of SS thats NOT real. Yes, my work touches on the absolute, thus reality. The basis of reality is a prevalent theme in my work. Lies build a prison around you, BUT ONE MUST BE CAREFUL. Your own judgement can lie to you much as I have pointed out in this thread. You can easily convince yourself that hypocrisy is evil incarnate when in fact what is evil incarnate, as I put it, is to reject it with solidarity. What is real? I'm still trying to decide if humanity is worthy. I'm not going to discuss particulars.

MrBukani -> RE: Hypocrisy or Obsession (2/25/2012 1:59:30 AM)
It's not that I never lied, but I am sure I have been more honest than most people. And it works for me. Not financially yet, but spiritually and ease. Still it's harder every day to lie, so I think my side will win in the end. It's a bit hard figuring out what you really mean with solidarity. You could switch your own words round. Anyway I show little mercy fighting hypocrisy. I work for a magazine and all other mags in our line of bizz are mostly hypocrites, they are loosing as we speak. So it will work out financially too. Winning one supporter at a time. We grow, they die. I wonder too if mankinds deserves deliverance. But I got people to protect, so I got no choice. I love keepin things simple.

BenevolentM -> RE: Hypocrisy or Obsession (2/25/2012 4:21:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrBukani It's a bit hard figuring out what you really mean with solidarity. quote: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/solidarity solidarity union or fellowship arising from common responsibilities and interests, as between members of a group or between classes, peoples, etc.: to promote solidarity among union members. What I am talking about are people getting together to form political parties or movements that expressly reject hypocrisy. Why is this bad? It is bad because it is called barking up the wrong tree. Hypocrisy has nothing to do with the underlying problem. An example may help. I wrote, "To have a police officer or judge, for example, forbidden to use his or her judgment as a matter of law is likely a bad idea." No legal theory created by man is sufficiently good to justify a zero tolerance policy on any behavior.

BenevolentM -> RE: Hypocrisy or Obsession (2/25/2012 2:44:24 PM)
Some say that SternSkipper knows nothing. But I say otherwise. quote: ORIGINAL: SternSkipper Post 68 http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4039639 The late great Philosopher Bill Janek had a saying about statements like this "Dude, get a grip. You're talking chickens and spaghetti at everybody" SternSkipper you are not the first to make such an observation. quote: ORIGINAL: MrBukani Post 128 http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4042808 I wonder too if mankinds deserves deliverance. But I got people to protect, so I got no choice. So did Lot. quote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodom_and_Gomorrah Then, (not having found even 10 righteous people in the city) they command Lot to gather his family and leave, revealing that they were sent to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah. In Genesis 18, God sends three men, thought by most commentators to have been angels appearing as men, to Abraham in the plains of Mamre. After the angels received the hospitality of Abraham and Sarah, his wife, God reveals to Abraham that he will destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, because their cry is great, "and because their sin is very grievous." In response, Abraham reverently inquires of God if he would spare the city if 50 righteous people were found in it, to which God agrees he would not destroy it for the sake of the righteous yet dwelling therein. Abraham then inquires of God for mercy at lower numbers (first 45, then 40, then 30, then 20, and finally at 10), with God agreeing each time. Two of the angels of God proceed to Sodom and are met by Abraham's nephew Lot, who convinces the angels to lodge with him, and they eat with his family. Lot failed in his mission. He was unable to even find 10 righteous people in the city. The people of Sodom and Gomorrah had gotten lost in a labyrinth. The cities were making sucking sounds. God naturally had to do something about it. quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM Post 124 http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4042546 There does seem to be something sadomasochistic as in hypocritical about scratching my athlete's foot as I cause mild injury to the skin. I am, however, applying the medicine as I scratch my foot. Take the medicine you fungus! Take the medicine. What would happen if I were to argue that fungus has rights? If fungus could talk what might fungus say? quote: Fr Gabriele Amorth http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/1260364/posts Relief for the patient is always possible, but to completely rid a person of his demons can take many exorcisms over many years. For a demon to leave a body and go back to hell means to die forever and to lose any ability to molest people in the future. He expresses his desperation saying: "I am dying, I am dying. You are killing me; you have won. All priests are murderers". "I speak with the Devil every day," he says, grinning like a benevolent gargoyle. It is a fungus, get rid of it! Fr Gabriele Amorth is a man who enjoys his work. Is Fr Gabriele Amorth not the alpha sadist of the labyrinth? He is after all the Chief Exorcist of Rome. The devil encourages us to abstain from hypocrisy.

BenevolentM -> RE: Hypocrisy or Obsession (2/25/2012 3:32:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM post 113 http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4042359 Here is a puzzle box for me: The Marriage of Heaven and Hell God gives Benevolent a puzzle to solve. God: "Solve this and no I'm not Pinhead." Benevolent: Nervous laugh, "God! Why do you torment me with a puzzle such as this?"

BenevolentM -> RE: Hypocrisy or Obsession (2/25/2012 3:44:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM post 93 http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4037033 What is it that He values? The salvation of a soul. ... There is someone who I saved. Benevolent: Was the mob saved? God: No. Benevolent: I was saved. How many times must you save me Lord? God: I will save you as many times as it takes.

BenevolentM -> RE: Hypocrisy or Obsession (2/26/2012 6:52:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM post 132 http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4043392 Benevolent: Was the mob saved? God: No. It is not my intention to defy you Lord and be a hypocrite, but you do mean the mob has yet to be saved? Right? I am confident that what many call sin, is sin in part because it has a pathogenic character. Much like how the plague can ravage a city, sin can ravage a city. Greed has a pathogenic character. Sex has a pathogenic character, and so on. For example, Bucky the bunny if he could as I pointed out might try out for the new Adam position if he could. I'm cutting it close to blasphemy here when I say that. I suppose I like a close shave. Why would that be evil? Unless Bucky the bunny was the last male bunny in the whole world, Bucky the bunny would have to claim that he was the only male bunny worthy of intercourse with the fair bunnies. Why should Bucky the bunny make peace with his fellow male bunnies? Why should Bucky the bunny not regard his fellow male bunnies as competitors? Call it a Divine Anti-Trust violation. Oh, I know such ideas are no longer fashionable. To do this is to betray something, something important. It betrays his affiliation with the Almighty Bunny. Why? because he is not the only male bunny with bunniness, made in the image of the Almighty Bunny.

BenevolentM -> RE: Hypocrisy or Obsession (2/27/2012 3:17:44 AM)
I came by a most wonderful documentary film. Its so-called topic is technology, but much more is covered. Though the word hypocrisy is not mentioned explicitly what the philosopher is talking about is hypocrisy. The hypocrisy of especially modern man to deny who he is. It is in French with English subtitles. http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/betrayal-technology-portrait-jacques-ellul/

BenevolentM -> RE: Hypocrisy or Obsession (2/27/2012 3:32:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrBukani I love keepin things simple. I am wondering if this could be a reference to something I wrote. If not, what I wrote may interest you. quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM post 113 in a different thread http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4034581 ... I do not feel your analogy to be a good one since no one would compare the front lines with a safety net, but some people seem to think the legal system is a rational place where truth and justice prevail. Lions are predators. Since lions are warm blooded, they burn a lot of calories. Crocodiles are predators, but require fewer calories. The net result is there is a tendency for there to be a lot more crocodiles than lions. The justice system is a predator that requires fewer calories than a lion. This analogy also holds true for rapists. There are the hardcore rapists and the softcore rapists. The effect of pursuing the hardcore rapists will have the effect of swelling the number of softcore rapists. It makes the world safe for softcore rapists. Instead of lions you get crocodiles. The situation does not actually improve. The world continues to be a hostile place. With crocodiles you get complexity. With lions you have simplicity. If you see a lion, run. If you see a crocodile exactly what you are to do becomes less clear. I believe you prefer simplicity over complexity because if you have got to pick your poison, one might as well chose the poison that results in less complexity. This I believe is the point you are making, if I may be so bold.

BenevolentM -> RE: Hypocrisy or Obsession (2/27/2012 3:40:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrBukani Anyway I show little mercy fighting hypocrisy. I encourage you to fight for something more tangible.

BenevolentM -> RE: Hypocrisy or Obsession (2/27/2012 4:55:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BenevolentM post 113 in a different thread http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4034581 ... This analogy also holds true for rapists. There are the hardcore rapists and the softcore rapists. The effect of pursuing the hardcore rapists will have the effect of swelling the number of softcore rapists. ... Today's conventional wisdom states that what we need to do is make the world a better place for softcore rapists. Softcore rapists pose a moral hazard that hardcore rapists don't, however. Softcore rapists have legitimacy. Few would mistake the conduct of hardcore rapists as morally upright. Softcore rapists eat away the soul. In other words today's conventional wisdom is hypocritical. It is not hypocritical for a devil to encourage us to hold such views, however. It is hypocritical for mankind to hold such views. So when a devil encourages us to abstain from hypocrisy, what the devil is asking for is our cooperation.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Hypocrisy or Obsession (2/27/2012 5:50:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SternSkipper quote: Actually, no, this one started here and that one started there, but do go on confusing yourself. Oh Yeah, and when the theme doesn't vary a whole lot and it the act of following someone around threads for the purpose of antagonizing them, it's called STALKING. So, if a thread is ever evolving, how can you accuse someone of not sticking to the topic? Aw, shit. There I went again. Sorry. You'll have to excuse my faux pas. Every once in a while, I forget and resort to logic. Okay everybody, my bad ... the new EVOLVED THEME is stalking HEY LUCY Got A Sec? I want to harass you for a bit per our new activities director. I know, how embarrassing! It must be... that's usually the way newbies who beat dead horses end up feeling. You have my sympathies. So, not only am I stalking Lucy, but now, you're calling her a dead horse?!? And, no Skipper, I'm not stalking Lucy any more than I'm stalking you (or you, tazzygirl). I'm not saying that none of you are worthy of a stalker, or that you can't draw a stalker. I'm just saying that I'm not a stalker. I do love how you can twist and turn phrases with the best of them. It is quite the impressive feat. But, what you did was tell me that newbies often get embarrassed for using logic, which, as it turns out, truly does NOT embarrass me. What DOES embarrass me about using logic in an argument is when the intended audience for that logic has already been determined to not have any respect for the use of logic, and yet, I use logic anyway.

BenevolentM -> RE: Hypocrisy or Obsession (2/27/2012 6:04:47 AM)
What Jesus Christ was talking about when he accused the Pharisees of hypocrisy (specific sense) is not what many think of as hypocrisy (broad sense). Jesus Christ was talking about denial of the true self. Isn't the notion of true self vague? Not as vague as you might think. Denial of what makes mankind special.

BenevolentM -> RE: Hypocrisy or Obsession (2/27/2012 6:12:23 AM)
DesideriScuri on SternSkipper quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri I do love how you can twist and turn phrases with the best of them. What he is doing may not be all that hypocritical in that I seem to recall an admission that he was working on a political campaign. It could be his speciality. He might be interested in seeing how well you do against such a difficult charge. A little solidarity from the women folk would help.

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