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RE: ARE YOU MENTALLY DOMINATED ? - 6/2/2006 2:20:37 PM   
gooddogbenji


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RE: ARE YOU MENTALLY DOMINATED ? - 6/2/2006 3:13:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: dogobedience

Back on topic.

The post was to bring up the fact that the brain is the part that is dominated. It is mental domination that "binds" the mind. Everything else is an accoutrement to that..............


So you think unless there is total power exchange ....... we're just playthings... i'm not sure if i'm understanding your OP correctly. I don't want to be judgemental here. I want to make sure i'm reading this right. I know that personally. I won't submit just to play. Unless i'm made clear to understand that is just what's goin on. I'm being used as a playtoy. Nothing more, nothing less. But that's with doms. I will only call the one who owns me Master... when he's managed to Master me.. and achieve total power exchange.


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RE: ARE YOU MENTALLY DOMINATED ? - 6/2/2006 3:17:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		i think that every submissive, to some degree is mentally Dominant. Maybe not in the same sense that you say, dogobedience.  But so much of Dominance and submission takes place in the brain.  i would find it hard to believe that many are not mentally Dominated...at least to some degree.

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RE: ARE YOU MENTALLY DOMINATED ? - 6/2/2006 3:26:44 PM   
Dustyn


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Status: offline 		Me, personally?  No, my submission to Mistress is because I feel she deserves that show of respect and trust.

Do I try to do this?  You are damned skippy.  Some people you can beat absolutely bloody and they will not so much as bend.  The mind is the true center of our existence, in my opinion.  We are our thoughts, so why not try to help people get to where they want to be, instead of proverbially kicking them in the ass, or physically.  Some do need a physical ass kicking, but oh well.  But if they are unwilling to let go of their fears, past baggage, and general mental malfunctions, they are just playtoys.  I help those that are willing to help themselves, and I have a fairly decent list of people that will testify as to me helping them.

Beside, any idiot can watch a downloaded video and figure out how to do wax play, erotic asphixiation or anything else that is purely physical actions in bdsm.  Learning how to untwist a twisted mind is one of the things I consider as being a mark of how good of a dominant you truly are.  I'll admit that I have fallen flat on my face before, but it's not from a lack of trying to help.


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RE: ARE YOU MENTALLY DOMINATED ? - 6/2/2006 3:40:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think I have ever met someone that dominated me mentally.  I can be dominated in the bedroom because I want to be and I let it happen.  Otherwise, if I didn't want to be dominated at all I wouldn't be.  I have a very strong sense of what I want and what I will do or let be done to me, so finding or meeting someone that could mentally dominate me would be interesting!!

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RE: ARE YOU MENTALLY DOMINATED ? - 6/2/2006 4:29:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Good replies, more on my topic, TY

I am talking about the aspect that when you own the mind the rest is EASY. Many come into a relationship with that desire, but find that few dom's can substain it, the mental side of domination.

IF you are owned in the brain, you will put uo with more than if it is just whips, chains, and call me master.

AGREE?

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RE: ARE YOU MENTALLY DOMINATED ? - 6/2/2006 4:32:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: dogobedience

IF you are owned in the brain, you will put uo with more than if it is just whips, chains, and call me master.

AGREE?


Perhaps.  IF you are using your spell check, you will put uo more meaning into your posts.

I have no idea what you're saying.

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RE: ARE YOU MENTALLY DOMINATED ? - 6/2/2006 4:45:35 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: dogobedience

IF you are owned in the brain, you will put uo with more than if it is just whips, chains, and call me master.

AGREE?


I believe part of the problem I am having with this thread comes from an issue of defining terms.

I kill person X.  I lop off their head and keep it in my fridge.  Technically I own that brain.  Do I do this sort of thing?  No.

I capture a suspected Al Qaeda member, send them to Abu Graibh until their mind is broken and they become a hollow, mewling shell of the person they once were.  Then I ship them off to Gitmo where I was elected King.  Again, technically I own the brain.  I am not related to the Governor of Florida so I am unable to get elected King, so again, the answer would be "no."

I enter into a dynamic with somebody that is built on love and trust and respect which flows in both directions, regardless of who holds the flogger.  I see the love and respect and warmth and feeling of security reflected back at me from the eyes of my submissive.  I would have to say that yes, I own that brain.

On the other hand, it is important to keep in mind what Tyler Durden said in Fight Club; "Things you own, end up owning you."

Just me, etc.

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RE: ARE YOU MENTALLY DOMINATED ? - 6/2/2006 4:53:08 PM   
dogobedience


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Status: offline 		Did forget to spl ck, that is a big problem that I forget to do. But not too bad since I usually do not spell check. I do agree that it does need to be done always..........would you like to be my PA !!! ??? lol.

now.........go eat cake :)  

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RE: ARE YOU MENTALLY DOMINATED ? - 6/2/2006 5:00:36 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: dogobedience

would you like to be my PA !!! ???



If you were just a bit cuter, and had a vagina and breasts, then maybe.

Let me know when that changes.

Yours,


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RE: ARE YOU MENTALLY DOMINATED ? - 6/2/2006 5:02:47 PM   
Sinergy


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ORIGINAL: dogobedience

would you like to be my PA !!! ??? lol.


Im a longshoreman and a full-contact self defense instructor.

Not a Physicians Assistant.

Regretfully,

Sinergy

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RE: ARE YOU MENTALLY DOMINATED ? - 6/2/2006 5:04:44 PM   
dogobedience


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Status: offline 		I will use my property kali for the female parts OK?.........then will u b my PA........

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RE: ARE YOU MENTALLY DOMINATED ? - 6/2/2006 5:47:46 PM   
Bearlee


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Status: offline 		Speaking of posts ...well...and generalizations, too; what about one who has over 4000 posts and STILL wants to control 'caps'?  Capitalizations here... when used for an entire conversation are probably a misshap; some newbie didn't know CapsLock was on.  As far as YELLING?  Geeze... just HOW are we to .......simply........ enunciate?  Personally... I rather appreciate caps now and then...and don't much like rules set in STONE.

We do things like add <smiles and giggles> and perhaps cap a few words.  What IS the harm in that?  I'm sure the man didn't intend to be rude... or YELL!

<shakes head>


OH... edited to say: the main THRUST of this little missive in no way AIMED at Proprietrix...

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RE: ARE YOU MENTALLY DOMINATED ? - 6/2/2006 5:51:47 PM   
gooddogbenji


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Status: offline 		WHAT???   I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!!  COME CLOSER TO TORONTO!!!!!

YOURS


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RE: ARE YOU MENTALLY DOMINATED ? - 6/2/2006 5:58:06 PM   
mgdartist


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Status: offline 		lol, well your post especially hit home for me, as i was just found wanting by a so-called submissive after our initial contact and then her grueling inquis...er interrog--er quiz on just what she craved, and with little or no interest in mine,  and one of her big problems with me involved her need for "mental bondage" and "protocols" and "etiquette", and because i professed (not being a nazi) that i knew little of mind control, and altho a dominant for over 20 years, i now learn ive merely been feasting on what you call "dessert". And here I was thinking myself the better dom for indeed NOT seeking to control her mind, and lovingly wishing her both mental and physical autonomy outside our scenes, as such would seem to lower the proceedings to a much more sinister level. while i can be quite sinister, i do try not to transgress the golden rule, and it's quite curious to me that you'd assess submissives being given such freedoms as i give them, as the toys and playthings, instead of your own, since imo, given the mental bondage theyre kept under by you, makes them definatively "your little toys". The idea that they want and crave such i find hard to swallow, but as evidenced by the sub who contacted me, then shot me down in flames over it (that and her insistence on being harshly "clamped, weighted and gaped" lol) makes me wonder if you could possibly be onto something.

so please play guru and describe for us (and provide links or documentation) how this difficult method can be easily learned, so that such submissives as we meet in the future who are in need of such, can be quickly brainwashed into full compliance, and not dismiss us in most unsubmissive fashion as mere "kinksters".

...since i couldnt help but notice, like so many such high-flown, condescending dissertations of it's ilk i have read in the past, it gave no hint as exactly how a master might accomplish such a dubious endeavor, but merely touched on how the outcome and effects of it were so vastly superior to those we may currently utilize, making me wonder if all this "dessert" i've had was worth the effort. if your pontifications are indeed true, this only further validates my long-standing motto:

"you can't be nice to some people"
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RE: ARE YOU MENTALLY DOMINATED ? - 6/2/2006 6:08:05 PM   
CERCKL


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Status: offline 		In a certain sense I find this question somewhat on the absurdist side, everything we do stems from consciousness at some level or another; that seem to be relatively central to our existence. Now awareness of what is being done may not exist...such as, am I aware of each breath and properly monitoring it? No. The body is acting under it's own 'programming' for the most part and I am certainly not aware how the circulation process works, but I am still conscious for it to work.

A major point of your post almost seems more as if it's dealing with manipulation than with domination. Certain skillsets which are important to managing, as you stated, can work with certain aspect of control...but then on the other hand, though I may have a good manager, that only goes so far; I also think something which any D/s relationship: casual, serious, what have you, needs to deal with is the element of how the energy flow is going to be realized. What structure is desired between those involved? The interchange and flow of energy between the people involved has a lot to do with what will exist. If it is based primarily on physical or sexual control; then yes, anyone can learn the different techniques and succeed in having a very well-rounded 'kinky' sex life. If there is an exchange between both people, and let's be honest, at least in my own part, it is not just the flow from submissive to Dominant but the flow is circular between both involved, then it doesn't matter if I ever pick up a flogger or use restraints, the dynamics of the relationship will still exist.

I think that an attempt for continuing to be aware of what you need as well as the other individual will lead to a continuation of the 'mental' aspect of domination as you define it...I do not believe that it ever reaches a static place...
Now give that goddam dog some cake before he drives me crazy,

C

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RE: ARE YOU MENTALLY DOMINATED ? - 6/2/2006 6:11:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		dogobedience:
 
After reading your post, I would agree that it all starts in the mind, like anything else.  And yes, a really smart bastard (err...I mean dominant)  is good at taking a submissive to that place, *however* she has to be willing to go.  Its not as if any of you are so good, you just sneak in the back door when we're not looking.  We know when its happening, we're allowing it to happen, and believe it or not, we're helping you to accomplish it.  Oh and though we may be enamoured by it, this does not mean we cannot pull ourselves out of it,  if need be.

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RE: ARE YOU MENTALLY DOMINATED ? - 6/2/2006 6:15:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: marieToo

dogobedience:
 
After reading your post, I would agree that it all starts in the mind, like anything else.  And yes, a really smart bastard (err...I mean dominant)  is good at taking a submissive to that place, *however* she has to be willing to go.  Its not as if any of you are so good, you just sneak in the back door when we're not looking.  We know when its happening, we're allowing it to happen, and believe it or not, we're helping you to accomplish it.  Oh and though we may be enamoured by it, this does not mean we cannot pull ourselves out of it,  if need be.


BINGO!!!!!!!!!


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RE: ARE YOU MENTALLY DOMINATED ? - 6/2/2006 6:24:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: genvieve

i think that every submissive, to some degree is mentally Dominant.


hmmmmmmm... I might Top now and then...but in no way am I Dominant.

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RE: ARE YOU MENTALLY DOMINATED ? - 6/2/2006 6:27:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

WHAT???   I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!!  COME CLOSER TO TORONTO!!!!!

YOURS


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