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Why healthcare, or healthcare funding comes under the heading of personal responsibility is unclear to me.
Seriously?!? Got a good laugh at that one. What you are saying is that your health isn't your responsibility. You're saying that paying for the care you need to maintain your health isn't your responsibility. If it isn't your responsibility, who's is it? Does the person paying for your care get to choose what care is given? Does the entity that is responsible for your health, healthcare, and pays for the latter, control that which impacts your health?
Be careful what you wish for.

lt's very clear that you have failed to understand the argument being put to you. I was contrasting the "personal responsibility" model you advocate with the collective responsibility model for healthcare funding used in just about every Western country bar the USA.
There's ample evidence to demonstrate beyond dispute that the collective responsibility model is far more successful at every level - it saves more lives, it delivers better health outcomes, it provides universal coverage, it's financially fairer to consumers and it costs about half the price of the insane US model.
The gap between the two models is so huge that is defies logic to oppose the 'collective responsibility' model. To oppose this model on ideological grounds, as you do, is to insist that ideology is more important than peoples lives or health. The net result of such opposition is the tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths of US citizens that occur annually due to inadequate or no health care coverage. These unnecessary deaths appear to be an exclusive property of the US healthcare system - they don't happen elsewhere. Nor do medical bankruptcies.
You can choose to live with the responsibility for such a disastrous outcome but I would rather not tyvm.

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Seriously?!? Got a good laugh at that one. What you are saying is that your health isn't your responsibility. You're saying that paying for the care you need to maintain your health isn't your responsibility. If it isn't your responsibility, who's is it? Does the person paying for your care get to choose what care is given? Does the entity that is responsible for your health, healthcare, and pays for the latter, control that which impacts your health?
Be careful what you wish for.

My tax dollars go to train those Doctors, build those hospitals and clinics.
One of those government funded health care programs is the funding for training physicians in this country.
What I am saying is that health care has been priced out of reach because of greed.
As far as tweak, she isnt in the US.
As far as me... I am all for national health care.

Some of your tax dollars go towards training those physicians. We agree on that. We disagree on what that means. You want national health care. I want to stop funding their educations. Government funding their educations (and, while we're at it, how about we open up the credentialing process to more than just the AMA? A Government created monopoly that can limit the amount of doctors in the country, maintaining an undersupply to keep demand up, resulting in.....?) is a terrible reason for Government funding health care, btw.
But, Greed on who's part? Should the Government use taxpayer money to build hospitals and clinics? I say, 'no,' unless it is a VA or tricare only hospital/clinic. Most hospitals are not built using Gub'mint money.
How has health care been priced out of reach? Who has done it? How can it be fixed?

Now its my turn to laugh.
Do you understand that there are limited number of residencies?

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and those are based upon tax dollars?
Hospitals get federal grants and loans for all sorts of things, from building to extensions, IT assistance, training programs, incentives.

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How has health care been priced out of reach? Who has done it? How can it be fixed?

Tsk tsk, now you are playing stupid. It sure isnt the working man who has put health care out of reach. 200 for a Dr's visit... Of course that is perfectly affordable for someone making minimum.... something else I am sure you would love to get rid of.
I do enjoy the laughs you are giving me thus far. I do hope they continue.

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Well, let's see, the US Constitution states that the Federal Government is tasked with raising the military and has the power to declare and wage war.

What part of "Promote the General Welfare" don't you understand?

I don't understand the part where the liberals/progressives twist it into "personal welfare."

Got any other myths for me to bust?

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Under what authority does the Federal Government do that?

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Under what authority does the Federal Government do that?

The commerce clause.