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kdsub -> RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con? Discuss. (2/19/2012 6:03:56 PM)
That is why I said healthy... if not an implant then freely provided birth control. Not every woman can be on birth control..... then all they have to do is provide a doctors statement...easy Not every woman can have implants...Then freely provide other contraceptives...easy Not every woman gets pregnant as a result of lack of birth control... every woman can agree to keep their legs together, if she wants to keep her children on aid...or keep her children period...easy...I know you will like that one...lol Not every woman gets pregnant by choice... yea like Mary... not so easy Not every woman has a say in getting pregnant...Rape can be excluded...easy Not every woman has a pregnancy that is the result of consensual sex... easy if on birth control to begin with if not see rape above...easy. tazzy don't give me the only women know stuff...there are common sense answers to each of your examples...even if I did not give them. Every plan and every law has extreme or unusual circumstances but the laws are made for the majority of cases not the minority that can be dealt with as needed. To me the question is not would it work but would it be constitutional…maybe not Butch

playfulotter -> RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con? Discuss. (2/19/2012 6:13:07 PM)
Wow! "Sterilize all women getting abortions"....in most cases these are the responsible ones in that they are at least contemplating it as an option...they are thinking ahead; using their brains ....they know their situation and how it will effect them and the rest of their future and thus society (even if they are not thinking of that at the time)...... I think you have it backwards and should re-write the headline of this post...just my opinion.

JanahX -> RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con? Discuss. (2/19/2012 6:20:44 PM)
Well lets just get down to the heart of the matter here. These guys just want to be able to breed with a woman ---> and force her to have his child. But here is where they are getting hung up. If they could really push it where they wanted it to go, they would kill the mother after she had the baby so they could go off and breed with other women and not have to pay child support. That way the mother wouldnt have to abort they could sing a little song to GOD ----and the men could kill the mother and the baby would die - but the guys could blame it on the women for dying.. The ultimate plan is to make it so the guys can just go on to cum and cum and cum and cum and do what ever the hell they want to/dispose of women/have the right to fuck and use any woman at their disposal/not take care of their kids and actually think there is going to be an open door to heaven for them. Lets just get it down to the grass roots here ... and not kid ourselves.

SoftBonds -> RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con? Discuss. (2/19/2012 6:21:05 PM)
If we made it as painful for the men in these situations as the women, abortion wouldn't even be a political issue. That is why I keep advocating making it so. All men should get a DNA test, any child born out of wedlock should get a state DNA test to ID the father. Then make the father financially responsible, painfully so. I threw out the number 30% of income, but I'm sure women would have a better idea. Once men get in as much trouble for not "keeping their legs together," as women do, abortion will be a sacrament.

tazzygirl -> RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con? Discuss. (2/19/2012 6:26:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kdsub That is why I said healthy... if not an implant then freely provided birth control. A woman can b perfectly healthy and still not be able to use the implants. quote: Not every woman can be on birth control..... then all they have to do is provide a doctors statement...easy They can now. Yet they are still demonized for "having an abortion" quote: Not every woman can have implants...Then freely provide other contraceptives...easy Not every woman gets pregnant as a result of lack of birth control... every woman can agree to keep their legs together, if she wants to keep her children on aid...or keep her children period...easy...I know you will like that one...lol This is why men like you should have no say. quote: Not every woman gets pregnant by choice... yea like Mary... not so easy Not every woman has a say in getting pregnant...Rape can be excluded...easy Not every woman has a pregnancy that is the result of consensual sex... easy if on birth control to begin with if not see rape above...easy. tazzy don't give me the only women know stuff...there are common sense answers to each of your examples...even if I did not give them. Common sense for men isnt common sense for health matters. Or has Santorum's latest comments not made that quite clear to you? quote: Every plan and every law has extreme or unusual circumstances but the laws are made for the majority of cases not the minority that can be dealt with as needed. To me the question is not would it work but would it be constitutional…maybe not Butch And I gave a much simpler solution. Since it is simple and easy you are going for. Donate sperm then sterlize. Easy peasy.. no guess work... no Dr's notes needed. See how much simpler that plan is?

playfulotter -> RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con? Discuss. (2/19/2012 6:39:00 PM)
of course, you know our government is so out of control spending money via the Obama regime they would never in our lifetime consider your plausible solution...sad but true.

rockspider -> RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con? Discuss. (2/19/2012 6:58:58 PM)
Living in a country where abortion on demand has been the law since 1967 I can’t really see what all the fuss is about in USA. As I see it, it can only be the holy fascist, who under the guise of their narrow minded morality, wants everybody else to abide to their own particular code of conduct. They haven’t changed much since they were leading the witch hunting and burning just a few centuries ago, or when they threatened scientist, with been burned at the stake, if they claimed the earth was round.

RealLady -> RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con? Discuss. (2/19/2012 7:02:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rockspider Living in a country where abortion on demand has been the law since 1967 I can’t really see what all the fuss is about in USA. As I see it, it can only be the holy fascist, who under the guise of their narrow minded morality, wants everybody else to abide to their own particular code of conduct. They haven’t changed much since they were leading the witch hunting and burning just a few centuries ago, or when they threatened scientist, with been burned at the stake, if they claimed the earth was round. Thought it was 1973.

SoftBonds -> RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con? Discuss. (2/19/2012 7:06:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RealLady quote: ORIGINAL: rockspider Living in a country where abortion on demand has been the law since 1967 I can’t really see what all the fuss is about in USA. As I see it, it can only be the holy fascist, who under the guise of their narrow minded morality, wants everybody else to abide to their own particular code of conduct. They haven’t changed much since they were leading the witch hunting and burning just a few centuries ago, or when they threatened scientist, with been burned at the stake, if they claimed the earth was round. Thought it was 1973. I don't think rockspider lives in the US. 1973 was when it became legal for US...

tazzygirl -> RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con? Discuss. (2/19/2012 7:34:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rockspider Living in a country where abortion on demand has been the law since 1967 I can’t really see what all the fuss is about in USA. As I see it, it can only be the holy fascist, who under the guise of their narrow minded morality, wants everybody else to abide to their own particular code of conduct. They haven’t changed much since they were leading the witch hunting and burning just a few centuries ago, or when they threatened scientist, with been burned at the stake, if they claimed the earth was round. Abortion on demand until a certain gestational age. Lets be clear on this because many are wrong in the belief that a woman can get an abortion at any time during her pregnancy for any reason.

DaNewAgeViking -> RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con? Discuss. (2/19/2012 7:50:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle As long as the crazies think of woman as their own private breeding stock, as evidenced by all their claims, how long do you think before this comes around? Considering the heated political rhetoric these days, I'd say it's only a matter of time. And considering that the noise level will only increase during this election cycle, probably not very much time. One defense we sane people might use is that every time one of these psychopaths opens his yap, remind them (loudly) that forced sterilization was widely practiced in Nazi Germany, It'll probably give him a hard-on, but it will remind the cooler heads of what these creeps are seriously proposing as national policy. [sm=soapbox.gif]

Marini -> RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con? Discuss. (2/19/2012 9:02:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: smartsub10 These women are getting impregnated by men. Why not sterilize the men? One man can impregnate many more women in any given time than a woman can carry a baby to term. Dang you beat me to this answer. Sterilize the men that got them pregnant. [;)]

DesideriScuri -> RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con? Discuss. (2/20/2012 12:30:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpiritedRadiance quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl I once sat next to a woman in the waiting room at my OB/GYN. She was in tears. She had two sons, she had been laid off 6 months prior. She had decided to have her tubes tied 3 months after being laid off. Then her husband had been laid off. She had recently discovered that even though her tubes had been tied, she became pregnant. Neither she or her husband were working. They decided rather than making their current two children suffer because they couldn't afford the pregnancy or the third child to have an abortion. I don't view that as irresponsible. This is a heartbreaking situation. I am completely against abortions. I am also all for people being able to choose for themselves. In this particular situation, the couple is making an incredible decision. Absolutely painful and heart rending. This issue can easily be solved. Women who get abortions....should pay for their abortions. If places like Planned Parenthood want to provide free abortions, go for it. Gather donations (which does not include gub'mint payola...that isn't a donation) and provide to your heart's content. THAT is what should happen. It's not whether or not gub'mint should pay for all abortions, or only for the poor. Gub'mint should not be paying for them at all. Period. And, if anyone wants to go down the "women's health" road...can you get pregnant or std's from abstinence? Wouldn't that be a boon to a woman's health? Thought so. snorts I wanna see you shove a watermelon out of your penis.. then you can talk about what should and shouldnt be provided... If Viagra is covered by government health plans, as well as vasectomies... Abortions and birth control should be covered as well it costs with complications.. about 1500 dollars for an abortion.. it costs with complications to have a baby..39,000... Id rather pay the 1500... Not sure where you get the idea that a child is the size of a watermelon (my son's head was huge, but was more the size of a softball). Nor do I understand how you don't get that a vagina will stretch a whole lot further than the opening of a penis. Accept that a female's body will adapt to the birthing process and a male's will not. We have no issue, SpiritedRadiance, though. At no point did I mention that men should have their ED med's or vasectomies covered. Equating ED medications and vasectomies to abortion and birth control is preposterous in and of itself. But, we still have no problem. I never said I wanted your ability to choose taken from you. And, your very last line fits precisely into what I stated.

SpiritedRadiance -> RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con? Discuss. (2/20/2012 12:34:40 AM)
No, Your saying that abortions shouldnt be covered... Thats 1500 dollars out of pocket with complications HOWEVER you are saying that pregnancy should be covered at up to 39000 just for delivery... Yeah that makes total economic sense right there...

DesideriScuri -> RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con? Discuss. (2/20/2012 12:38:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RealLady quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl I once sat next to a woman in the waiting room at my OB/GYN. She was in tears. She had two sons, she had been laid off 6 months prior. She had decided to have her tubes tied 3 months after being laid off. Then her husband had been laid off. She had recently discovered that even though her tubes had been tied, she became pregnant. Neither she or her husband were working. They decided rather than making their current two children suffer because they couldn't afford the pregnancy or the third child to have an abortion. I don't view that as irresponsible. This is a heartbreaking situation. I am completely against abortions. I am also all for people being able to choose for themselves. In this particular situation, the couple is making an incredible decision. Absolutely painful and heart rending. This issue can easily be solved. Women who get abortions....should pay for their abortions. If places like Planned Parenthood want to provide free abortions, go for it. Gather donations (which does not include gub'mint payola...that isn't a donation) and provide to your heart's content. THAT is what should happen. It's not whether or not gub'mint should pay for all abortions, or only for the poor. Gub'mint should not be paying for them at all. Period. And, if anyone wants to go down the "women's health" road...can you get pregnant or std's from abstinence? Wouldn't that be a boon to a woman's health? Thought so. Sure women should pay for their own abortions!! After all, if a woman is going to have sex birth control is 100% her responsibility, right? Why should the guy have to inconvenience himself by swinging by the drug store on the way over to pick up a package of condoms?? Why should he have to ruin the moment by asking if she's protected? Sheesh. [8\|] Ya got me, RealLady. Yep, I only want the women to pay. The men did their part already. Sorry, I can't go on with that farce. Those who are progenitors of the fetus should pay for the abortion. Better? I wasn't saying that the guy shouldn't pay. Apparently, you missed the point.

tazzygirl -> RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con? Discuss. (2/20/2012 12:41:00 AM)
I still say all men should donate sperm and get snipped. Would solve so many problems.

DaddySatyr -> RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con? Discuss. (2/20/2012 12:51:36 AM)
Hitler thought sterilizing certain people was a good idea. If Hitler was for it, I'm inclined to be against it, just on spec. Don't get me started on constitutional issues. It's a non-starter. Forcing *anyone* to be sterilized is one of the ultimate blows to personal freedom. Having said that; I have often toyed with the idea of birth control (as mentioned, previously) for people on public assistance or for those that demand more than one abortion on the government dime because it is not permanent. Peace and comfort, Michael

DesideriScuri -> RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con? Discuss. (2/20/2012 1:01:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SpiritedRadiance No, Your saying that abortions shouldnt be covered... Thats 1500 dollars out of pocket with complications HOWEVER you are saying that pregnancy should be covered at up to 39000 just for delivery... Yeah that makes total economic sense right there... And you have, once again, changed the argument. This is how I see things: unless you are a Gov't employee, Government should not be covering your health costs. That applies to women and men. You can have your abortion. Go for it. I am not limiting your choice in that. You don't want me to foist my beliefs on you. I have no problem with that. Don't foist your abortion on every taxpayer. If you aren't willing to deal with the consequences of your actions, how can you expect others to deal with them for you? That excludes non-consensual sex, so don't even try the rape or incest angle. If you consent to intercourse, whether or not you used contraception, you have chosen to take part in an activity that can result in a pregnancy. If you have chosen to take that risk, why is it not your responsibility if you "lose?" At what point do the consequences of your consensual actions become the taxpayer's (in general) responsibility? If you follow my line of thinking, I absolutely disagree with forced sterilization for women getting abortions. I disagree with forced sterilization for men who impregnate the women getting abortions. I disagree with government - at any level - having any say in whether or not a woman has the right to choose an abortion. I am also a proponent of men getting vasectomies unless the tubal ligation/hysterectomy is chosen (by the patient) to be part of a C-section birth, or if medical history and risk indicate a woman should get the procedure (and the patient chooses to do so). The recovery from a vasectomy is exponentially simpler, and, I don't know that it would be that difficult to get me to put money on it being less expensive, too.

SpiritedRadiance -> RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con? Discuss. (2/20/2012 1:03:26 AM)
Hitler was also all for men who have multiple women relationships.... And you seem to follow him in that pursuit.. You best stop that.. i mean no one would want to think you might be hitler or following him.. ya know.. rolls eyes I dont think sterilization is the answer... however i dont think its not the answer because of hitler... I think instead pregnancy shouldnt be covered by insurance, and that hospital can attach the wages of the woman and the man to pay for the thousands upon thousands that child bearing and rearing costs... I have a feeling if that was the case abortions wouldnt look so terrible.

SpiritedRadiance -> RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con? Discuss. (2/20/2012 1:11:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri quote: ORIGINAL: SpiritedRadiance No, Your saying that abortions shouldnt be covered... Thats 1500 dollars out of pocket with complications HOWEVER you are saying that pregnancy should be covered at up to 39000 just for delivery... Yeah that makes total economic sense right there... And you have, once again, changed the argument. This is how I see things: unless you are a Gov't employee, Government should not be covering your health costs. That applies to women and men. You can have your abortion. Go for it. I am not limiting your choice in that. You don't want me to foist my beliefs on you. I have no problem with that. Don't foist your abortion on every taxpayer. If you aren't willing to deal with the consequences of your actions, how can you expect others to deal with them for you? That excludes non-consensual sex, so don't even try the rape or incest angle. If you consent to intercourse, whether or not you used contraception, you have chosen to take part in an activity that can result in a pregnancy. If you have chosen to take that risk, why is it not your responsibility if you "lose?" At what point do the consequences of your consensual actions become the taxpayer's (in general) responsibility? If you follow my line of thinking, I absolutely disagree with forced sterilization for women getting abortions. I disagree with forced sterilization for men who impregnate the women getting abortions. I disagree with government - at any level - having any say in whether or not a woman has the right to choose an abortion. I am also a proponent of men getting vasectomies unless the tubal ligation/hysterectomy is chosen (by the patient) to be part of a C-section birth, or if medical history and risk indicate a woman should get the procedure (and the patient chooses to do so). The recovery from a vasectomy is exponentially simpler, and, I don't know that it would be that difficult to get me to put money on it being less expensive, too. My health insurance is not covered by the government.. Birth control is not covered by my insurance... Viagra is A hysterectomy covered at 70% , or tubal ligation covered at 40%.. and i cant have on until im at least 35 or have three children... Because i might change my mind... A Vasectomy is covered at 80% and is allowed at age 28 or after 2 children because its easier to freeze sperm... An abortion is not covered.... unless the reason is to health risks of the mother.. however pregnancy up to 250,000 dollars is covered. I have sex, i have sex regularly and often, if i get knocked up i will pay to get an abortion on my own dime... HOWEVER... im sick and fucking tired of it all being the woman, the woman the woman... it takes two to tango... but only the woman is the villian, the whore the slut... The woman the woman the woman... Its just as easy to say men shouldnt even touch their penis unless they plan on reproducing... and otherwise it should be locked in a chasity device until it can be used for procreation only... Im sure.. that would go over real well rolls eyes My insurance company makes it VERY damned hard for me to be safe and careful, i have to pay a hell of a lot out of pocket to make sure no sort of parasite grows in my stomach... However they make it very easy at 4 dollars a bottle for men to get hard, but at 78$ every three months for me to get depo....

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