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RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con... - 2/20/2012 8:32:41 AM   
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The hard, sad, truth is that freedom demands responsibility.




Careful where you go with that one. Someday, someone is going to argue that if, as an old person, you can't support yourself, you should pack yourself off to some hospital in order to be killed off in some orderly and civilised fashion.

After all, if we can talk about socially undesirable persons who shouldn't be alive at one end of the age spectrum, why not at the other end, too?


Always loved Logan's Run :D


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RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con... - 2/20/2012 8:37:06 AM   
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RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con... - 2/20/2012 8:40:21 AM   
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RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con... - 2/20/2012 8:42:10 AM   
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The taxpayers didn't even get the enjoyment of the intercourse and women want them to fork it out for their abortion. Sorry, ain't happening.


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my taxes going to fund abortions


Huh?

Do we need a thread on the Hyde Amendment and The Affordable Care Act?





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RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con... - 2/20/2012 8:45:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		In the book it was no one over twenty. I think they decided that they were better off with Michael York than a child actor for the film.

(The taoist question I'm thinking of is "What use is a new born baby?" Obviously helpless old farts are even less use because they've used up their potential already...)

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RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con... - 2/20/2012 8:46:13 AM   
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RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con... - 2/20/2012 8:48:34 AM   
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(The Chinese revere their ancestors, while us round eyed devils tend to regard them as a swarm of idiots instead...)

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RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con... - 2/20/2012 9:32:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Riggghhhtt.  Because those stupid sex discrimination arguments when it comes to birth control only convince other chicks.  Well, and federal judges.  http://biotech.law.lsu.edu/cases/eeoc/Erickson_v_Bartell.htm
The fact is, this matter is stare decisis.  If a company offers prescription drugs as part of their insurance, it must include birth control. Pure and simple.  Spirited radiance, your health plan violates established case law, if it covers prescriptions and you are paying for your own birth control.  As for the government, there is absolutely no plausible reason for the federal government to be exempt from the same rule. 
Sorry to hear you will be ending your days in a hospice, satyr.  I truly hope you have lots of private insurance and resources and that your medical issue will not cost me any money as a taxpayer.
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It's pretty funny (to me) that whenever a birth control issue comes up, the females start with the "What about the men?" stuff. I wonder if they've ever read the 14th amendment or if they think the ERA should pass. I wonder if they think that ladies are somehow excluded from being responsible for their actions.
  

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RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con... - 2/20/2012 9:51:20 AM   
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Possibly. The age issue is the premise for the movie. No one over 30.


I remember "Logan's Run," the dystopian ageist FUTURE society without Blacks, Asians, Latinos, etc. Wait! The right hand turns black at the ripe old age of 21.
Wait again! Didn't they remake the movie and threw some of them folks in there to quiet the public?......But that's a whole nother thread.

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RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con... - 2/20/2012 9:56:46 AM   
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RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con... - 2/20/2012 10:12:08 AM   
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but I don't remember it having anything to do with the diversity of the cast.

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Possibly. The age issue is the premise for the movie. No one over 30.


I remember "Logan's Run," the dystopian ageist FUTURE society without Blacks, Asians, Latinos, etc. Wait! The right hand turns black at the ripe old age of 21.
Wait again! Didn't they remake the movie and threw some of them folks in there to quiet the public?......But that's a whole nother thread.

TIC dovie


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RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con... - 2/20/2012 10:35:03 AM   
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So, because men dont
1) want to keep their cocks in their pants
2) want to take responsibility on their own and get snipped,
3) want to take responsibility for the outcome,
4) want to allow women the right to abortion...

A woman much face all those complications just so society can feel justified in giving her a check????



1) Correct. We don't want to. Doesn't mean we wont't. We also need to have a place to put them once they are out. So, the men are just as culpable.
2) Some do, interestingly enough. Personally, I think that is a much easier solution than a woman having the surgery (unless it is part of another surgery, like a C-section birth, or an indicated hysterectomy).
3) What responsibility do you want assigned to the baby daddy? $$? Go for it. I would support it wholeheartedly.
4) What women don't have a right to an abortion? What we don't want is the right for women to have an abortion on our dime. I support the baby daddy having a financial obligation in paying for the abortion, but, if you want him to pay at least part, he gets a say in the matter. You want my tax money to pay for your abortion? I get a say in the matter.

Face it, tazzygirl, without a male and a female, there is no pregnancy. Regardless of whether or not a guy keeps his cock in his pants, if there isn't a pussy to put it in, there is no pregnancy. It takes 2. Both should have responsibility. Both should bear the financial burden. Both should get a say in the matter.

If the courts have to get involved to force shared responsibility, so be it.

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RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con... - 2/20/2012 10:40:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		OK, so we all can agree that if a court needs to determine paternity and enforce any orders, after we test a potential father, and he's responsible for the pregnancy, then 65 percent of his income is given to the mother and child, and he has to be sterilized?

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RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con... - 2/20/2012 10:44:36 AM   
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So, because men dont
1) want to keep their cocks in their pants
2) want to take responsibility on their own and get snipped,
3) want to take responsibility for the outcome,
4) want to allow women the right to abortion...

A woman much face all those complications just so society can feel justified in giving her a check????



1) Correct. We don't want to. Doesn't mean we wont't. We also need to have a place to put them once they are out. So, the men are just as culpable.
2) Some do, interestingly enough. Personally, I think that is a much easier solution than a woman having the surgery (unless it is part of another surgery, like a C-section birth, or an indicated hysterectomy).
3) What responsibility do you want assigned to the baby daddy? $$? Go for it. I would support it wholeheartedly.
4) What women don't have a right to an abortion? What we don't want is the right for women to have an abortion on our dime. I support the baby daddy having a financial obligation in paying for the abortion, but, if you want him to pay at least part, he gets a say in the matter. You want my tax money to pay for your abortion? I get a say in the matter.

Face it, tazzygirl, without a male and a female, there is no pregnancy. Regardless of whether or not a guy keeps his cock in his pants, if there isn't a pussy to put it in, there is no pregnancy. It takes 2. Both should have responsibility. Both should bear the financial burden. Both should get a say in the matter.

If the courts have to get involved to force shared responsibility, so be it.



If you notice, my post was not in reference to anything you said. I assure you, when I have an issue with one of your posts, you will be the first to know.

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RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con... - 2/20/2012 10:56:04 AM   
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Riggghhhtt.  Because those stupid sex discrimination arguments when it comes to birth control only convince other chicks.  Well, and federal judges.  http://biotech.law.lsu.edu/cases/eeoc/Erickson_v_Bartell.htm
The fact is, this matter is stare decisis.  If a company offers prescription drugs as part of their insurance, it must include birth control. Pure and simple.  Spirited radiance, your health plan violates established case law, if it covers prescriptions and you are paying for your own birth control.  As for the government, there is absolutely no plausible reason for the federal government to be exempt from the same rule. 
Sorry to hear you will be ending your days in a hospice, satyr.  I truly hope you have lots of private insurance and resources and that your medical issue will not cost me any money as a taxpayer.



IASS, when i asked about birth control coverage, they said, because it is a private plan (covered by my job) that They are not required to provide anything my company might find unethical... or anything not medically necessary... so no form of birth control or contraceptive is covered...


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RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con... - 2/20/2012 11:03:31 AM   
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RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con... - 2/20/2012 11:14:53 AM   
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If you notice, my post was not in reference to anything you said. I assure you, when I have an issue with one of your posts, you will be the first to know.



There was no reason for you to reference anything I posted. I assumed that your post was your opinion. I posted my opinions to show that not all men are as you opined. I never said you were wrong about me, specifically.

I tend to interpret much of your posts as anti-male, but necessarily because you don't like men. It seems like you are laying more responsibility on men to make up for the many who lay most of the responsibility on women. Your actions are just as wrong as theirs. Interestingly enough, we actually agree more than we disagree.

Biologically, I am a man, but I do not fit into the stereotype I interpreted your post as putting forth.

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RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con... - 2/20/2012 11:21:08 AM   
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RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con... - 2/20/2012 11:22:03 AM   
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RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con... - 2/20/2012 11:23:22 AM   
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