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DaddySatyr -> RE: Sterilize all woman getting abortions? Pro or Con? Discuss. (2/22/2012 3:15:46 PM)
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ORIGINAL: kalikshama
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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr
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ORIGINAL: kalikshama
I'm not on child support. I'm on A bill that would declare that personhood starts at conception.
Yes and at the end of the facts you presented, you went on elocution safari and ended with: "There is zero accountability for the sperm that made it all happen"
First off, just so we're clear; I'm sure you meant the producer of the sperm since sperm's only accountability is did it do its best to impregnate an egg.
What I am refuting is your contention that there isn't plenty of (legal) accountability for a man that fathers a child. I doubt you could find me a state where I could get a woman pregnant and walk away, saying: "It serves her right for being a slut (as has been suggested, here)" and not have a judgement for child support leveled against me. It won't happen.
That makes your statement irresponsible, at best; extremely prejudicial on the whole, and an out-right lie, at the worst. To say that men face no accountability for their actions is ridiculous.
Once women recognize that men do, indeed, bear responsibility, things will be a lot less contentious. Sure, there are dead-beat dads. But the law is on the side of trying to curtail that, as much as possible. They're failing miserably and that's a whole nother story.
I would have absolutely supported Rep. Williams' amendment. It is the "accountability" of a man that would rather not have his child aborted.
Peace and comfort,
Michael
The bill and I are talking about responsibility for the unborn. Child support is for children, who have been born.
Yes and once paternity is established, the mother and father would share in the cost of whatever action is deemed appropriate. Be careful, though, I'm basing my support for this measure based on the fact that the father would need to have a say in which course of action is undertaken.
"A say"; not absolute authority. As it stands now, women say: "It's my body. It's my choice but either the dummy that knocked me up or all you other people need to pay for those things. I don't want any responsibility; just the 'choice'."
Well, folks, as I've said before: with freedom comes responsibility.
You want the freedom to choose with whom you lie down in bed? Your responsibility is to do everything in your power to prevent pregnancy. Unless you're trying to conceive. Then, your responsibility is to let the guy in on that information, also.
If you want the freedom to carry an un-planned pregnancy to term, realize that it is your choice and that parents (both male and female) are responsible for the upbringing of that baby. See, and here's where another issue comes in. It's not as big a thing as it used to be but there are some women who still "trap" men with un-wanted pregnancies. I know of a couple of guys that did everything they could possibly do to prevent a pregnancy and one still occurred. The women, in both cases, decided they had found their golden ticket and this "bastard" was "either going to marry me or pay out the ass". That's because women have no responsibility (accountability, if you will) in these cases.
If you want the freedom to abort a child over the expressed wishes of the father to support and care for that child, your responsibility is to pay for the abortion yourself and not expect him to help.
You want it both ways and I agree that that's a nice way to live life but, I think the females in this country are starting to realize that the gravy train is coming up to the last station on the line.
It's interesting that all the XX-Americans are claiming that the XY-Americans are loathesome bastards that are lazy about birth control/etc. but I'll bet if we started a poll asking if there were a male oral contraceptive that were as effective as the female version, with the exception of XY-Americans that are in stable (in their mind) LTRs, the response would 95% affirmative. and here is the poll.
XX-Americans have the upper hand and they don't want to lose it but, they're gonna. You can't keep basing your arguments on "choice" and then refuse responsibility.
Peace and comfort,
Michael
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