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This is a heartbreaking situation. I am completely against abortions. I am also all for people being able to choose for themselves. In this particular situation, the couple is making an incredible decision. Absolutely painful and heart rending.

This issue can easily be solved. Women who get abortions....should pay for their abortions. If places like Planned Parenthood want to provide free abortions, go for it. Gather donations (which does not include gub'mint payola...that isn't a donation) and provide to your heart's content. THAT is what should happen. It's not whether or not gub'mint should pay for all abortions, or only for the poor. Gub'mint should not be paying for them at all. Period.

And, if anyone wants to go down the "women's health" road...can you get pregnant or std's from abstinence? Wouldn't that be a boon to a woman's health? Thought so.

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r or not gub'mint should pay for all abortions, or only for the poor. Gub'mint sh

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then eventually someone should step in and stop that. They're eventually going to harm their health so bad that next I am sure they'd be clammoring the system fix them on tax payer dollars, most likely..

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Good point. Part of my thought to be honest was I think abortion is awful and from things I have seen the baby is aware of something bad happening in later stage abortions. It's already a body an sucken it's thumb n stuff:(

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Lucylastic, if the sperminator was doing the part of a father, there most likely wouldn't be any financial issues to discuss. If you want someone to help you actually parent, you're going to need to spread it for only those types of guys. Women who spread for the hottest guy, the He-men or the guy with the biggest dick aren't necessarily doing so with how well this guy can be a father. That's not to say that guys are always looking for the gal that is going to be the best potential mother, either. However, if both genders only slept with members of the other gender that would actually make good, responsible fathers there would be far fewer issues

Still waiting for an answer:

A. Is it women that have multiple sex partners that you find deplorable?
B. Or women with multiple sex partners that used contraception that failed?
C. Or women with multiple sex partners that do not use contraception?

Kali, are you sure you want answers to those questions? You're just a woman hun. In DS's scheme of things, we don't have sex, we don't sleep with partners, we just "spread it". You know, just lie there and figure out how much we're going to take the guy for in child support while he pumps away ..... If His Lordship's rather confused last sentence makes any sense at any level, it seems to be that women are responsible for their male partner's inability to "make good, responsible fathers". Well of course! How silly of me to think that it might be the man's fault - I must have been having a blonde moment!

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I can imagine that a lot of the crazies would fall in line behind a movement which says, since they're irresponsible, we need to save them from themselves and prevent them from aborting another baby by taking away their ability to get pregnant.

As long as the crazies think of woman as their own private breeding stock, as evidenced by all their claims, how long do you think before this comes around?

I still say (and no one has come back to debate me on this, ergo, I can safely assume this is a rational assumption) .... sterilize all women except those that look like Pamela Anderson.

I will (because I'm a giver) give my all to impregnate these remaining wimmens.

I do this because I care....and because I'm a giver.

(I do this for you).

I will work weekends for this.....for you.

Thank you Lookie, you are so generous
On the other hand, if we used the right techniques, we could mix DNA from any two women and create a fertilized egg. Then impregnate other women with the product created by that method. Imagine 3 billion Pamela Anderson clones being born in 9 months and reaching legal age in under 19 years...
It would be a great time to be alive...

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Good point. Part of my thought to be honest was I think abortion is awful and from things I have seen the baby is aware of something bad happening in later stage abortions. It's already a body an sucken it's thumb n stuff:(

Late stage abortions only account for less than 1% of all abortions, and are given when the life of the mother is in jeopardy and is medically necessary.  Its not one that is on demand.

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I do believe you can get an abortion up to 26. Or 20 weeks after 26 the article said it's to late. simply because you decide too and not because your life's in danger. The teen in the article i read about truth about abortion, was 16 was 20 weeks and her mom found out and took her to get aborted. Plenty of ppl I am sure find out later than sooner an by then it's already looking like a baby an all.

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My own responsibility means that I don't have sex with someone that I don't know well enough to know that he doesn't have 5 other children with 5 other women and isn't taking care of them. It means that I don't have sex with someone unless I trust him to be there in every way if something were to happen unexpectedly.

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Living in a country where abortion on demand has been the law since 1967 I can’t really see what all the fuss is about in USA. As I see it, it can only be the holy fascist, who under the guise of their narrow minded morality, wants everybody else to abide to their own particular code of conduct.
They haven’t changed much since they were leading the witch hunting and burning just a few centuries ago, or when they threatened scientist, with been burned at the stake, if they claimed the earth was round.

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I do believe you can get an abortion up to 26. Or 20 weeks after 26 the article said it's to late. simply because you decide too and not because your life's in danger. The teen in the article i read about truth about abortion, was 16 was 20 weeks and her mom found out and took her to get aborted. Plenty of ppl I am sure find out later than sooner an by then it's already looking like a baby an all.

By the time of the age of viability.

Most abortions are obtained before the 9th week of gestation.

Twenty-two percent of all pregnancies (excluding miscarriages) end in abortion

Each year, two percent of women aged 15–44 have an abortion. Half have had at least one previous abortion.

Eighteen percent of U.S. women obtaining abortions are teenagers; those aged 15–17 obtain 6% of all abortions, teens aged 18–19 obtain 11%, and teens younger than age 15 obtain 0.4%

Women in their 20s account for more than half of all abortions; women aged 20–24 obtain 33% of all abortions, and women aged 25–29 obtain 24%.

Forty-two percent of women obtaining abortions have incomes below 100% of the federal poverty level ($10,830 for a single woman with no children).

Twenty-seven percent of women obtaining abortions have incomes between 100–199% of the federal poverty level.


Teens are more likely than older women to delay having an abortion until after 15 weeks of pregnancy, when the medical risks associated with abortion are significantly higher

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html

Teens wait so long for a variety of reasons.  They deny they are pregnant, dont know what signs to look for, anguish over telling the father and parents, dont have the money readily available.. and in some states they have to have parental consent.

As far as the age of late term abortions...

A late-term abortion often refers to an induced abortion procedure that occurs after the 20th week of gestation. However, the exact point when a pregnancy becomes late-term is not clearly defined. Some sources define an abortion after 16 weeks as "late".[2][3] Three articles published in 1998 in the same issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association could not agree on the definition. Two of the JAMA articles chose the 20th week of gestation to be the point where an abortion procedure would be considered late-term.[4] The third JAMA article chose the third trimester, or 27th week of gestation.[5] The point at which an abortion becomes late-term is often related to the "viability" (ability to survive outside the uterus) of the fetus. Sometimes late-term abortions are referred to as post-viability abortions. However, viability varies greatly among pregnancies. Nearly all pregnancies are viable after the 27th week, and no pregnancies are viable before the 21st week. Everything in between is a "grey area"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_termination_of_pregnancy

States have their own policies as to when its considered a late term abortion.  The majority place it between 22 and 24 weeks.


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Women who have never married and are not cohabiting account for 45% of all abortions

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About 61% of abortions are obtained by women who have one or more children.

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Forty-two percent of women obtaining abortions have incomes below 100% of the federal poverty level ($10,830 for a single woman with no children).[6]
Twenty-seven percent of women obtaining abortions have incomes between 100–199% of the federal poverty level.*

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Fifty-eight percent of abortion patients say they would have liked to have had their abortion earlier. Nearly 60% of women who experienced a delay in obtaining an abortion cite the time it took to make arrangements and raise money

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If you're going to clone women, for G-d's sake, clone Brooke Burke or Adriana Lima instead!

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If you're going to clone women, for G-d's sake, clone Brooke Burke or Adriana Lima instead!

Fuck that. Bitches bought their way into fame. Fuckin' Adriana has a fuckin' BEAN named after her family, FFS. "Yo! Adrian a!!"

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Lucylastic, if the sperminator was doing the part of a father, there most likely wouldn't be any financial issues to discuss. If you want someone to help you actually parent, you're going to need to spread it for only those types of guys. Women who spread for the hottest guy, the He-men or the guy with the biggest dick aren't necessarily doing so with how well this guy can be a father. That's not to say that guys are always looking for the gal that is going to be the best potential mother, either. However, if both genders only slept with members of the other gender that would actually make good, responsible fathers there would be far fewer issues

Still waiting for an answer:

A. Is it women that have multiple sex partners that you find deplorable?
B. Or women with multiple sex partners that used contraception that failed?
C. Or women with multiple sex partners that do not use contraception?

Kali, are you sure you want answers to those questions? You're just a woman hun. In DS's scheme of things, we don't have sex, we don't sleep with partners, we just "spread it". You know, just lie there and figure out how much we're going to take the guy for in child support while he pumps away ..... If His Lordship's rather confused last sentence makes any sense at any level, it seems to be that women are responsible for their male partner's inability to "make good, responsible fathers". Well of course! How silly of me to think that it might be the man's fault - I must have been having a blonde moment!

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Though I don't know that I would term it quite like he did, I do see the point he's making. My own responsibility means that I don't have sex with someone that I don't know well enough to know that he doesn't have 5 other children with 5 other women and isn't taking care of them. It means that I don't have sex with someone unless I trust him to be there in every way if something were to happen unexpectedly.

Of course, we can think we know someone and it turns out we're wrong. But I'm still doing what I can to make the wisest, and least risky, choices I can without excluding all men from ever touching me again.

Although,...it has been a rather long time since I've had sex. :)

And good Lord, before someone jumps all over it, I am not saying that if someone has sex sooner rather than later, that she deserves no support or that he has no responsibility, or whatever.

I'm just saying that I see his point. Just as a man may (ideally) want to be sure that a woman he is sleeping with shares his same views about what to do in the event of an unplanned pregnancy, so should a woman. For me, that would mean knowing that man well enough to not even have to ask the question "Are you a decent enough man to be there for me if this happens?"

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Using my money for your (used in the plural meaning both the mother's and the father's) fuck up (literal and figurative) is something I'm against.