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DesideriScuri -> RE: Georgia Law Could Give Death Penalty for Miscarriages (2/22/2012 11:44:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
Woman! You will have that child regardless of your ability to feed, cloth or house said child because, to me, its morally abhorrent to get rid of said child. (conservative stance)

Woman! No I, the government, will not help you feed, cloth or house that child even though I know you cannot afford it and are unable to provide even a basic standard of existence because, to me, its morally abhorrent for me to provide for your mistakes. (conservative stance)


Nope. Not at all. Recall that I support abortion being available for women. I bet we could all figure out where a woman can go to get one if she can't afford it, too.

But, we shall criminalize those that harm the baby, outside of medical professionals performing medical procedures with plenty of legal mumbo jumbo to cover their asses.

And, actually, the conservative stance is: hey, government isn't going to provide for this baby. Here is the location of your local (insert public welfare agency here) offices. They can help you get the food, clothing and housing you and your baby are going to need. If they aren't willing, here are the addresses and numbers of local charities that have been set up to do the same thing. Oh, and this is the one (insert local Republican Representatives name here) donates time and money to.

Are you a Democratic Speech writer, tazzygirl?



slvemike4u -> RE: Georgia Law Could Give Death Penalty for Miscarriages (2/22/2012 12:29:17 PM)

No,I don't believe Tazzy is a speech writer.....I also don't believe that she is a 1950's American woman.
Which ,it would seem,you and those like you would like her to become.
Turning back a clock is real hard,shit I saw this movie once where Superman actually needed to fly real fast ,counter-clockwise,just to get the earth spinning backwards fast enough to accomplish this feat.
Now he was Superman,and it was a bitch(by the way he did save Lois,so don't worry) what makes you think your sweater vest wearing front man can do it ?



tweakabelle -> RE: Georgia Law Could Give Death Penalty for Miscarriages (2/22/2012 2:56:46 PM)

"Virginia's proposed abortion law 'akin to rape'" is the headline in today's Sydney Morning Herald. I would imagine this issue gets pretty similar treatment in most of the media in the Western world.

Will the USA go down in history as the first place where the State legally authorises the rape of its own female citizens? Is this the image of the US Americans want the world to see? Laws such as this will do even more damage to the US's reputation than Gitmo. Within a few years the US will the laughing stock of the world.



http://www.smh.com.au/world/virginias-proposed-abortion-law-akin-to-rape-20120222-1to8j.html



Edwynn -> RE: Georgia Law Could Give Death Penalty for Miscarriages (2/22/2012 3:17:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

I also don't believe that she is a 1950's American woman.




Hey, Betty Friedan was a 1950s American woman. 'Oh, funny I should mention that.' That is when she handed out all those surveys to women that asked if they were pleased as punch about their lot in life and by the way did they want to audition for one of those 50s and 60s TV shows where the woman wore a dress and heels as she vacuumed the house. The results and commentary were published in various 50s magazines that Ms. Friedan wrote for and later compiled into the 1963 book The Feminine Mystique. Shockingly, the response seems to have been that the women were not pleased as punch about the affair.

That is our history lesson for today, class.

That's all I have time for right now, the re-runs of The Donna Reed Show start in five minutes and I gotta get to it.

Bye now.






Edwynn -> RE: Georgia Law Could Give Death Penalty for Miscarriages (2/22/2012 3:38:46 PM)



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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

http://www.smh.com.au/world/virginias-proposed-abortion-law-akin-to-rape-20120222-1to8j.html




The f*cking proposed and in some places already enacted law itself is nothing more than another legislatively mandated rape, tweaker. Now we have potential for triple rape. Once on the violence itself, then in court as giving testimony to it, and now in court again to defend against legal charges concerning a miscarriage.

Legislative serial gang banging is what I am seeing here.







thishereboi -> RE: Georgia Law Could Give Death Penalty for Miscarriages (2/22/2012 5:30:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

"Virginia's proposed abortion law 'akin to rape'" is the headline in today's Sydney Morning Herald. I would imagine this issue gets pretty similar treatment in most of the media in the Western world.

Will the USA go down in history as the first place where the State legally authorises the rape of its own female citizens? Is this the image of the US Americans want the world to see? Laws such as this will do even more damage to the US's reputation than Gitmo. Within a few years the US will the laughing stock of the world.



http://www.smh.com.au/world/virginias-proposed-abortion-law-akin-to-rape-20120222-1to8j.html


Well I hope you are not counting on the Detroit Free Press to carry the message. I just looked through the last week and couldn't find it mentioned at all. I did find this however and it was interesting. I don't know a lot about PP and wonder if they really do require ultrasounds already and if so why the big stink about it now.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/grossly-misrepresenting-virginias-proposed-ultrasound-law_631691.html



DaddySatyr -> RE: Georgia Law Could Give Death Penalty for Miscarriages (2/22/2012 5:38:51 PM)

Wow! Sounds like we need to arrest a whole bunch of planned parenthood doctors for committing what many, around here, have been calling "rape". Since they're acting as agents of PP, could we invoke RICO stautes, too?

Since the state governments passed the laws, are they (and the governors that signed them) also open to prosecution?



Peace and comfort,



Michael



kalikshama -> RE: Georgia Law Could Give Death Penalty for Miscarriages (2/22/2012 5:45:49 PM)

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http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/grossly-misrepresenting-virginias-proposed-ultrasound-law_631691.html


Interesting that the numerous PP ultrasound references do not mention whether they are vaginal or external.



DaddySatyr -> RE: Georgia Law Could Give Death Penalty for Miscarriages (2/22/2012 5:49:17 PM)

I don't think I've ever seen an ultrasound done, vaginally. That doesn't mean they don't exist but I always thought it was those "sensors", placed on the abdomen and that was all. Hardly invasive (unless the lady's stomach is really hairy and the adhesive pulls the hair).



Peace and comfort,



Michael



Lucylastic -> RE: Georgia Law Could Give Death Penalty for Miscarriages (2/22/2012 5:57:42 PM)

Nope, because an transabdominal is different than a trans vaginal
BIG difference in that there is INSERTION in VAGINAL ultrasound which was the amendment proposed, Abdominal us means there is NO INSERTION None.
So sorry.
from the report
Plus new information shows they changed their minds, because there is nothing to support them being able to DO such a thing


"No person should be directed to undergo an invasive procedure by the state, without their consent, as a precondition to another medical procedure."



Edwynn -> RE: Georgia Law Could Give Death Penalty for Miscarriages (2/22/2012 6:13:48 PM)



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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

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http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/grossly-misrepresenting-virginias-proposed-ultrasound-law_631691.html


Interesting that the numerous PP ultrasound references do not mention whether they are vaginal or external.



Who cares? The proposed legislative actions are all about non-consensual invasion, whether external or internal, and forced violation of client relationship ethics.

Why don't we just call these f*ckwits what they are, the Neo-Torquemada League.






kalikshama -> RE: Georgia Law Could Give Death Penalty for Miscarriages (2/22/2012 6:16:25 PM)

My doctor requiring a procedure is a whole different thing from my legislature requiring a medical procedure.



Edwynn -> RE: Georgia Law Could Give Death Penalty for Miscarriages (2/22/2012 6:22:31 PM)



Exactly the point. Except that you can turn down the doctor's instruction and not get arrested for it, on that account.

But they are trying to make doctors into religious enforcers now.






farglebargle -> RE: Georgia Law Could Give Death Penalty for Miscarriages (2/22/2012 6:50:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

quote:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/grossly-misrepresenting-virginias-proposed-ultrasound-law_631691.html


Interesting that the numerous PP ultrasound references do not mention whether they are vaginal or external.


And here's a word that those who would consider woman to be their breeding stock will never think about.

CONSENT.



farglebargle -> RE: Georgia Law Could Give Death Penalty for Miscarriages (2/22/2012 6:51:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Edwynn



Exactly the point. Except that you can turn down the doctor's instruction and not get arrested for it, on that account.

But they are trying to make doctors into religious enforcers now.






It's NOT RAPE when it's a Mullah checking your virginity is intact....



DarkSteven -> RE: Georgia Law Could Give Death Penalty for Miscarriages (2/22/2012 6:55:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

My doctor requiring a procedure is a whole different thing from my legislature requiring a medical procedure.


Technically, they would then be practicing medicine. AFAIK, Ron Paul is the only officeholder authorized to do that.



tweakabelle -> RE: Georgia Law Could Give Death Penalty for Miscarriages (2/22/2012 7:20:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven


quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama

My doctor requiring a procedure is a whole different thing from my legislature requiring a medical procedure.


Technically, they would then be practicing medicine. AFAIK, Ron Paul is the only officeholder authorized to do that.

Wouldn't that qualify as a miscarriage of justice? It would certainly be a travesty of justice!



tazzygirl -> RE: Georgia Law Could Give Death Penalty for Miscarriages (2/22/2012 7:28:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
Woman! You will have that child regardless of your ability to feed, cloth or house said child because, to me, its morally abhorrent to get rid of said child. (conservative stance)

Woman! No I, the government, will not help you feed, cloth or house that child even though I know you cannot afford it and are unable to provide even a basic standard of existence because, to me, its morally abhorrent for me to provide for your mistakes. (conservative stance)


Nope. Not at all. Recall that I support abortion being available for women. I bet we could all figure out where a woman can go to get one if she can't afford it, too.

But, we shall criminalize those that harm the baby, outside of medical professionals performing medical procedures with plenty of legal mumbo jumbo to cover their asses.

And, actually, the conservative stance is: hey, government isn't going to provide for this baby. Here is the location of your local (insert public welfare agency here) offices. They can help you get the food, clothing and housing you and your baby are going to need. If they aren't willing, here are the addresses and numbers of local charities that have been set up to do the same thing. Oh, and this is the one (insert local Republican Representatives name here) donates time and money to.

Are you a Democratic Speech writer, tazzygirl?


Nope, not at all.

quote:

Recall that I support abortion being available for women.


I said the conservative stance.  Look around.  The bills coming from Congress and states by Republicans.  May not be your stance... it is theirs.

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Here is the location of your local (insert public welfare agency here) offices.


I would suggest brushing up on the attempts by Congress to delete those funds.  Over and over and over again.  I have a  post somewhere in the history here called... 'Women and children first'.  Might be good for you to find it and read.

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Oh, and this is the one (insert local Republican Representatives name here) donates time and money to.


This is funny.  Why would any woman who finds herself in a position to need help donate her time to someone whose political platform is based upon not giving her any help at all?



tweakabelle -> RE: Georgia Law Could Give Death Penalty for Miscarriages (2/22/2012 7:38:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle


quote:

ORIGINAL: Edwynn



Exactly the point. Except that you can turn down the doctor's instruction and not get arrested for it, on that account.

But they are trying to make doctors into religious enforcers now.






It's NOT RAPE when it's a Mullah checking your virginity is intact....

The main difference between a Mullah and a fundamentalist preacher/priest is fashion. They have slightly different tastes in clothes. Both adhere to absolutist ideologies and claim to have access to the Absolute Truth and all others are wrong. Both insist on imposing their archaic sick twisted 'moralities' on women.

A lot of these people still haven't even realised that most child sexual abuse is child rape, the former being a euphemism for the latter. For example:

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Interestingly enough, "child rape" does not appear in post#48. "Child abuse" does appear. While "child rape" is an example of "child abuse," it is not the only manner in which a child can be abused. Your going to an extreme example and assigning that to me is laughable.
( DesideriScuri post 76)

Unless one wants to argue that a child can give fully informed free consent to sexual activity with an adult, sexual abuse of a child is rape. It would be nice if these people learnt such basic facts before they begin pontificating to women about how they should mange their fertility. Perhaps these people need the euphemism more than most as so many of the "men of the cloth", the cretins who devise their sick twisted moralities, are themselves serial child rapists.

But since when have fundamentalist ideologues ever cared for facts? Or the human rights of others?



tazzygirl -> RE: Georgia Law Could Give Death Penalty for Miscarriages (2/22/2012 7:39:52 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven


quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama

My doctor requiring a procedure is a whole different thing from my legislature requiring a medical procedure.


Technically, they would then be practicing medicine. AFAIK, Ron Paul is the only officeholder authorized to do that.

Wouldn't that qualify as a miscarriage of justice? It would certainly be a travesty of justice!


To be completely correct the following are OB/GYN's in Congress

House

Rep. Michael C. Burgess, M.D. (R, Texas)
Rep. Phil Gingrey, M.D. (R, Ga.)
Rep. Ron Paul, M.D. (R, Texas)
Rep. Phil Roe, M.D. (R, Tenn.)

Senate

Sen. Tom Coburn, M.D. (R, Okla.)

http://www.patientsactionnetwork.com/physicians-of-the-112th-congress/



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