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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

Do you consider their schoolwork the bigger picture? If so, they have another rule that interferes with that. Students get punished for not keeping their eyes glued to the teacher.

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How are they supposed to take notes during lectures?

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ORIGINAL: stef

Since 90% of their students are going on to college,

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ORIGINAL: AttitudyJudy

I would, in a heartbeat, for this reason right here:

Superintendent Michael Milkie said the policy teaches the kids — overwhelmingly poor, minority and often hoping to be the first in their families to attend college — to follow rules and produces in a structured learning environment. He points to the network's average ACT score of 20.3, which is higher than at the city's other non-selective public schools, and says more than 90 percent of Noble graduates enroll in college.

While fights can be an almost daily occurrence in some urban high schools, Milkie says there's only about one a year on each Noble campus.

By "sweating the small stuff ... we don't have issues with the big stuff," he said.

It's not rocket science to keep your shoes tied, your buttons buttoned and your cell phone in your locker.

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ORIGINAL: xXsoumisXx

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Part of the problem with today's education system is not really the schools but the parenting. Or lack of. If a child gets in trouble at school, there is a parent there the next day having fits about it. Making excuses for the child. Not working with the school as a team with a common goal, to educate the child.
Schools have to be strict and make no exceptions even for the small things to make up for this lack of structure at home.
You need to have a united front with the teachers just as you do with a co-parent. You may disagree with something but the child need not know that, except in extreme cases.
Take it up with the teacher in private.

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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ORIGINAL: stef

Since 90% of their students are going on to college,

College is not an indicator of success. And they're fools for buying into the lie that it's important.

College today is nothing but a sucker's way into a lifetime of debt bondage. They're better off apprenticing in a trade, like plumbing or electrical, so they can get a real job and not end up another fucking coffee pourer at starbucks...

You should have said, "90% of the kids are brainwashed to do whatever we tell them, no matter how fucking retarded."

Could have all just sent them to boot for a whole lot less money.

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

You should have said, "90% of the kids are brainwashed to do whatever we tell them, no matter how fucking retarded."

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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

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ORIGINAL: stef

Since 90% of their students are going on to college,

College is not an indicator of success. And they're fools for buying into the lie that it's important.

College today is nothing but a sucker's way into a lifetime of debt bondage. They're better off apprenticing in a trade, like plumbing or electrical, so they can get a real job and not end up another fucking coffee pourer at starbucks...

You should have said, "90% of the kids are brainwashed to do whatever we tell them, no matter how fucking retarded."

Could have all just sent them to boot for a whole lot less money.

Fine, then don't send your kids to college. No one is asking you to send your kids to college if you feel college is such a waste. It is a free country. You can support your kids through technical/trade/vocational school, and if other parents want to support their kids through college, that is their prerogative. But telling poor inner city parents that college is not appropriate for their kids or a waste of money smacks of elitism of the nastiest sort. Children of any background deserve a proper high school education and, at least, the opportunity to attend college should they choose to do so. But I guess you feel that because these kids are poor, and mostly African-American, that you can just write off their educational opportunities entirely. I guess you're in the same camp as Newt Gingrich and other conservatives - hand the poor kids a mop and let them be janitors at their schools to learn a work ethic. Are you kidding me?

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ORIGINAL: SoftBonds
I interpreted Fargle's post differently. I think he was referring to the large number of white, middle class kids who go to college for 4-6 years and then can't get a job outside of starbucks or JC Penny's sales floor. Mind you, both personality and the degree acquired matter in this situation. I was lucky, I got an Accounting degree, so I was very employable in my field of study. But if a kid gets a degree in anthropology, what is he/she going to do? How about Philosophy? Art History? Heck, my sister got a degree in marketing and can't get a degree in her field.
That said, I think a poor, inner-city kid is going to be motivated to look for a degree in something like Accounting, Engineering, or Nursing, something with a guaranteed job at the other end.

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ORIGINAL: AttitudyJudy

I would, in a heartbeat, for this reason right here:

Superintendent Michael Milkie said the policy teaches the kids — overwhelmingly poor, minority and often hoping to be the first in their families to attend college — to follow rules and produces in a structured learning environment. He points to the network's average ACT score of 20.3, which is higher than at the city's other non-selective public schools, and says more than 90 percent of Noble graduates enroll in college.

While fights can be an almost daily occurrence in some urban high schools, Milkie says there's only about one a year on each Noble campus.

By "sweating the small stuff ... we don't have issues with the big stuff," he said.

It's not rocket science to keep your shoes tied, your buttons buttoned and your cell phone in your locker.