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RE: slave needing Dominants POV - 2/23/2012 8:15:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lizi

I've been in the emergency room and he's been there- also vice versa. It might be as Lockit pointed out that he's not good with that type of thing and just couldn't bring himself to do it. I know he's supposed to be the leader here but Dominants and Masters are still people. Maybe his grandmother died in a hospital after a lingering illness and it horrifies him to be in a hospital again...this is not an excuse for him but it is pertinent information. It's just hard to condemn someone without knowing the whole story. Even if there were mitigating circumstances for him to not be there, it doesn't mean they'll be acceptable to you, or even anyone here.

At the heart of things you were disappointed in his behavior. Where will that take you? Since this illness is part of your landscape so to speak, this situation will probably come up again. Others have said that they need their loved one to be with them and have chosen relationship-wise to reflect that choice. Do you find it a deal breaker or not? Only you know that answer. It wouldn't work for me or many others who have responded. It's another one of those things where it comes down to a match. It's probably not going to be acceptable to many, but some could overlook it. If you cannot then you know what to do.



My brother is like that with emergency rooms.
Partly because the hospital emergency department is where our mother died in and after that happened one time when he went with his wife, his wife was put in the same room our mother died in.
He wasn't all that comfortable before but after that... my sister-in-law loves him and has come up with a plan B: me. She prefers my attentive company and support.

I don't do sick by myself well.
My Master has brought me to the ER and often brings me to Dr visits and will come in to appts when requested.
If I am ill, He will ask, Do you need the doctor?

He is however, not always available.
I do know He cares and I am to keep Him posted.

To the OP:
One thing I don't know is how well do the 2 of you communicate in general?
Is it possible that you expected him to get how important this was to you and how afraid you were and what you needed.... but didn't actually tell him?

The best Masters still aren't mind readers.

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RE: slave needing Dominants POV - 2/23/2012 8:42:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: angelikaJ

My brother is like that with emergency rooms.
Partly because the hospital emergency department is where our mother died in and after that happened one time when he went with his wife, his wife was put in the same room our mother died in.
He wasn't all that comfortable before but after that... my sister-in-law loves him and has come up with a plan B: me. She prefers my attentive company and support.

I don't do sick by myself well.
My Master has brought me to the ER and often brings me to Dr visits and will come in to appts when requested.
If I am ill, He will ask, Do you need the doctor?

He is however, not always available.
I do know He cares and I am to keep Him posted.

To the OP:
One thing I don't know is how well do the 2 of you communicate in general?
Is it possible that you expected him to get how important this was to you and how afraid you were and what you needed.... but didn't actually tell him?

The best Masters still aren't mind readers.

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Angelika, people like your brother and his aversion to hospitals or any medical area are fairly common. Think about it, bad things happen when you go to a doctor/hospital. You get told devastating things, you encounter pain with testing and whatever, you're sick, others are sick- not fun places to be. Places of great emotion - much of that is negative emotion. Almost everyone in this country has had a bad experience in a place of medicine.

There's usually a backstory to anything, you need to find out what it is in any circumstance. It happens that we get disappointed by our loved ones, it's life. No one will never disappoint us. What it comes down to if it is understandable and ultimately acceptable to the disappointed one. I have a thing for contact. I'm good to a certain point with no contact from my partner - my limit happens to be about 3 days. Contact could literally be a 15 second phone call, or a sentence or two in email. I don't need much.

After the 3 days I get a bit loopy - I honestly can't help it. My Dom knows this. There are times when he's gone over my comfort zone with this into no man's land - more than 3 days - for various life reasons. We don't live together or even real close, about 1 1/2 hrs away - it's not impossible to run into this once in a while where he has responsibilities to attend to or is sick or whatever and I don't hear from him. Thankfully, knowing my issues with this, it is rare. He tries to do what he can to avoid it, still, we've run into it.

When that happens I'm frustrated and hurt, it could all be avoided in my eyes by some attention on his end to my need. On his side he does his best, but his needs are not mine, therefore he lets it slip by at those times. I can't impose my own hierarchy for this on him- he's a completely different person with different needs. In the end, I'm not willing to let him go when it happens, but I am sorely tempted at the time because I get sad, and upset. On his side, he doesn't blame me for needing what I need and he tries to meet it, but he feels put upon. Neither of us at times like that feels that the other really understands their side. Both of us feel as though the other should bend a little and accept the other's reality. Neither of us us entirely happy with this state of affairs but we can't see ending things for it. Maybe that will change, I don't know. All we can do is pay attention to ourselves and how it works for us, and if we can deal with it or not.

I'm not trying to compare this to the situation of being in the hospital undergoing great emotional and physical stress, I'm only illustrating that there are times when there are emotion-laden situations that bring about a reflection on whether things are a good match or not between two people.


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RE: slave needing Dominants POV - 2/23/2012 8:54:32 PM   
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Dominant or not, if someone who matters to my life is in the hospital, especially if they are alone and frightened, I would be there.


EXACTLY, thank you!

Doesn't need to be my s-type, or even a true emergency. Doesn't need to be the ER- it can even be a routine appointment- or a scheduled, relatively minor procedure. If someone I care about needs me, I'll be there.

OP, if your dom doesn't get this about you, and you've done all you can to communicate your needs and desires properly: you are right to be concerned, IMHO. Because if that's the case, then -in a very deep, fundamental way- your dom just doesn't get you.

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RE: slave needing Dominants POV - 2/24/2012 1:35:20 AM   
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I would have to be physically removed.

That's the responsibility I signed up for. She's mine and I'm going to protect her.



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This.


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RE: slave needing Dominants POV - 2/24/2012 3:05:07 AM   
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I'm not a master or a bf, but I am qualified to comment. Because we've been there, and put this topic to the test, when he rushed to the ER with me in the ambulence a few times I had to go, and dropped everything to come visit me at the mental hospital once I told him it was visiting hours, the one time I had to be there with out warning too. He also dropped everything and got off work to come pick me up from the mental hospital when I called him crying cause my parents had supposed to have been to pick me up to take me home over an hour ago an there was no sign of them and nobody answered at home.

He's stayed with me in a dental exam room, even though it terrified the living fuck out of him. He was literally terrified because he is scared of dentists, and finds that anything almost anything else would be better than to think of talk about or go to a dentist, alone anywehre near the dentist, let alone in the room with me with all the dental tools out.


he's pretty much there for me for what ever I am feeling in one way or another. if he can be.

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In our relationship, forget dynamic if I needed him, he'd be there if he could.

It's a basic function of being a caring and compassionate partner to me to be by my side in times of need.

And if he didn't feel that way he wouldn't have become my partner, the one I chose to be with. in or out of kink.

quote:

ORIGINAL: girlbri

Hello,

i consider myself a slave, but needing Master's/boyfriends opinion on this subject.

If your slave, submissive, and or girlfriend went into the e.r. for being sick would you feel you needed to be there with her? Would you feel she could be a grown up and handle it herself? That she is just going to lay there and watch tv so you can go whenever? Or would you feel she/he is scared, insecure about what is going to happen, so as a Dominant you need to be there for her/him

oh and this was not an emergency per se...but a condition called pleurisy (fluid on the lungs)

i would appreciate your honest opinions..

bri


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RE: slave needing Dominants POV - 2/24/2012 3:12:39 AM   
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People with munchhousen by proxy love to do things to make people like their kids sick, and often end up at the hospital so they get the attention and praise for being so loving and devoted. Now I am sure i have maybe got part of that wrong but hopefully you know what i mean. And maybe it's not loving the hospital itself, but it is going there on purpose.


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While I do get that hospital and sick time isn't easy and not everyone's cup of tea... (who the hell likes it anyway).


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RE: slave needing Dominants POV - 2/24/2012 6:33:17 AM   
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He needed to be there.

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RE: slave needing Dominants POV - 2/24/2012 8:04:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: girlbri

wow...i was waiting on this from someone...i dont want sympathy i wanted opinions from other Dominants..obviously you want to start drama.



This is not a D/s issue but a relationship issue. There are all types of people on this site - some have ideas of what constitutes healthy relationships that I find mind boggling and so I read their words but don't give them any particular credence.

As for me, I used to visit my gf in the hospital when she was there with her chronically ill daughter (admitted, not ER).

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RE: slave needing Dominants POV - 2/24/2012 8:21:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: girlbri
wow...i was waiting on this from someone...i dont want sympathy i wanted opinions from other Dominants..obviously you want to start drama.

OK, here's my full opinion then.

Given these facts:

  • The condition you have is not life threatening and should probably not be ER treatment.
  • The condition you have does cause pain and fear and involves invasive procedures to repair
  • I have a busy job

I'd be at the hospital... busy job or not. If this was Carol, as soon as we got to "she's afraid" then none of the rest of it would matter... not the actual danger posed by the condition and not whatever my job is. My company can wait till tomorrow to make another million bucks or whatever it was I was supposed to be doing for them.

Here's the OTHER half of my opinion.

You have come on here to seek sympathy and we've only heard half the story. Carol would NEVER, EVER do this to me which is, in large part, why I would be at the hospital with her... work or not. She would not betray me like this so she gets someone who doesn't betray her. If I were looking for a partner and I was looking at you and I came across this thread you'd be off the list.

There's my full opinion.. both sides of it.

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RE: slave needing Dominants POV - 2/24/2012 8:34:32 AM   
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i NEVER asked anyone to condemn anyone...i was asking opinions of the Dominants. Could someone please tell me how to stop this thread? i'm not going to be attacked and told i'm just wanting sympathy.


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RE: slave needing Dominants POV - 2/24/2012 8:40:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: girlbri
i NEVER asked anyone to condemn anyone...i was asking opinions of the Dominants. Could someone please tell me how to stop this thread? i'm not going to be attacked and told i'm just wanting sympathy.

Sadly you cannot stop a thread. But if you just don't post on it any more and have the self-discipline to not look, then the thread stops for you right now. Don't feel bad, I've started threads that, in hindsight, I wished I hadn't.

Insofar as attacking you, I didn't see my comment as an attack. You asked for a dominant's opinion. I gave you what was going on in my head. The fact that some of it was unflattering to you is... well... reality. I don't think I phrased it in a particularly assaultive manner. Perhaps the next time you want dominant opinions you should tell us what our opinions are before asking for them. That way we could all get it right.

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RE: slave needing Dominants POV - 2/24/2012 9:10:40 AM   
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I'm gonna throw my 2 cents worth in.

A significant other would NEVER be alone in the ER. If it was physically impossible for me to be there, I'd arrange for someone to be there untill I could take over

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RE: slave needing Dominants POV - 2/24/2012 9:38:22 AM   
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If your slave, submissive, and or girlfriend someone you cared about went into the e.r.
for being sick would you feel you needed to be there with her?


It depends. Your profile states you've been in a relationship for 4 years, so I'm certain there
have been times in the past where he did accompany you. If it is a recurring event, he may have
learned over time what the procedures are, and you may have given him enough reassurance
over the past 4 years that you could handle this on your own, even if you really preferred him there.

Would you feel she could be a grown up and handle it herself?
Refer to my first response.

That she is just going to lay there and watch tv so you can go whenever?
Refer to my first response.

Or would you feel she/he is scared, insecure about what is going to happen, so as a Dominant human, you need to be there for her/him.
Refer to my first response.

You 2 have a history together, and we can only guess as to his reasons why he didn't go.
I would be hard pressed to give it a definitve yes without hearing his side.



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RE: slave needing Dominants POV - 2/24/2012 9:45:58 AM   
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Ever the voice of reason, poise

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RE: slave needing Dominants POV - 2/24/2012 9:50:24 AM   
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We have to remember that we are getting the story as told by one part of the equation, by a person who is unhappy that their dominant did not go to the ED with them.

I wonder what his version would be?


Possibilities - had to feed animals before going to the hospital, had to arrange childcare, got some clothes for her in case she had to stay in, he asked if she wanted him there and she said no she was fine - and he believed her, etc etc etc

Personally,yes I would want someone with me (not necessarily my significant other if they were unable to come for some important reason) and am incredibly thankful that I have a family who insists on staying by my bed when I am in hospital from the beginning till the end of visiting hours where possible.



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RE: slave needing Dominants POV - 2/24/2012 10:01:12 AM   
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And all of those scenarios would have been a consideration , but she said he never chose to come at all , until it was time to pick her up. I am inclined to believe she didn't say no I am fine you don't have to come, simply from hers tatement she was scared and wanted comfort.
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ORIGINAL: wandersalone

We have to remember that we are getting the story as told by one part of the equation, by a person who is unhappy that their dominant did not go to the ED with them.

I wonder what his version would be?


Possibilities - had to feed animals before going to the hospital, had to arrange childcare, got some clothes for her in case she had to stay in, he asked if she wanted him there and she said no she was fine - and he believed her, etc etc etc

Personally,yes I would want someone with me (not necessarily my significant other if they were unable to come for some important reason) and am incredibly thankful that I have a family who insists on staying by my bed when I am in hospital from the beginning till the end of visiting hours where possible.




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RE: slave needing Dominants POV - 2/24/2012 11:52:25 AM   
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He is welcome to reply to this post...he knows i posted here to get others opinions.

He came home from work, and simply was not ready to come up to the hospital. As a matter of fact i would love to hear the other side myself. He has yet to tell me.

Our roommate was going to bring him up and drop him off so that he could be with me...she said she was even shocked that he didn't want to come up there..She offered her car ( i had his car at the e.r.) but he said no he wasn't ready...Anyway, i know how i felt at the e.r. i was scared because i know what has been done to me in the past..(LOTS OF NEEDLES) AND TEST. No fun and it is more comforting having someone with me.

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RE: slave needing Dominants POV - 2/24/2012 12:32:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: girlbri

i'm extremely hurt, yes i'm a big girl i can deal with being at the e.r. alone..and i did..BUT if i'm in a committed relationship why am i alone? i mean i didn't ever expect him to be with me during work hours..He has an important job..i get it.

BUT when he got off @ 6 and went home (our home) and didn't come to the hospital until 830,...that was the problem.


So he is not the insensitive asshole you made him out to be. He showed up later than "you" wanted him too. Im with him I don't get your issue. You want someone there all the time and he wants to be there some of the time.

The only time I bring someone with me is when they tell me I need a driver to take me home. You are way to needy in my book not that there is anything wrong with that. Like one of the posters said it's only a procedure that you have gone thru many times before.

BadOne




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RE: slave needing Dominants POV - 2/24/2012 12:38:02 PM   
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Only you and he know the nature of your relationship and what expectations you each have given the nature of your relationship. Who are any of us to judge?

But if you are not happy with what he did, then you have to look into yourself and ask yourself what it is you want.

And if you are happy with what he did, then go and be happy.

Either way, I'm not sure why what any Dominant here has to say should affect your own internal determination of whether this is acceptable to you as part of the relationship that you have. Only you can answer that.

I do think if you ask for people's opinions, they will give you opinions based on their own approach to relationships, to life, etc. And it is to be expected that not everyone will agree. But I really think you need to be looking inside yourself for the answers to the questions that you post. Either you are happy with what happened, or you are not. Only you can decipher the what and wherefores of this for yourself and for your relationship. You don't need to listen to anyone here. But you do need to listen to your own inner voice.

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RE: slave needing Dominants POV - 2/24/2012 2:18:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: girlbri

Hello,

i consider myself a slave, but needing Master's/boyfriends opinion on this subject.

If your slave, submissive, and or girlfriend went into the e.r. for being sick would you feel you needed to be there with her? Would you feel she could be a grown up and handle it herself? That she is just going to lay there and watch tv so you can go whenever? Or would you feel she/he is scared, insecure about what is going to happen, so as a Dominant you need to be there for her/him

oh and this was not an emergency per se...but a condition called pleurisy (fluid on the lungs)

i would appreciate your honest opinions..

bri



so... you went to the hospital? and he stayed home?.... and this thread is about what? you pointing to all those true relationships where the did want you would of wanted but your um Master didn't?

sounds like alot of Drama here!


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