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kalikshama -> Feminazis and Godwin's Law (2/24/2012 2:00:23 PM)
There's been a lot of Feminazi rhetoric recently, and so as not to derail other threads, notably this one: http://www.collarchat.com/m_4040596/tm.htm I've started this one. I wanted to begin by defining "feminazi" but that is proving elusive, so I will start with the wiki entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminazi Feminazi is a term popularized by radio talk-show host Rush Limbaugh.[1][2][3] Feminazi is a portmanteau of the nouns feminist and Nazi. The term is used pejoratively[4][5][6] by some U.S. conservatives to criticize feminists.[3] ...In the book, Limbaugh also stated that the word refers to unspecified women whose goal is to allow as many abortions as possible, saying at one point that there were fewer than 25 "true feminazis" in the U.S. That wasn't my understanding of the term - feminists = feminzai doesn't make sense without a qualifier but "women whose goal is to allow as many abortions as possible" seems too specific. So I turned to Urban Dictionary and found 54 definitions. I'm going with #14: A word used by ignorant idiots to describe any type of feminist or women's rights activist. Is extremely offensive to both the issue of women's rights and- here's a shocker- victims of one of the most brutal wars in human history. Feminazi: because wanting to be treated like a human being is exactly* like invading Poland.* How do YOU define feminazi?

LadyHibiscus -> RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law (2/24/2012 2:06:36 PM)
Do you spend much time on Fetl, Kalikshama? I am, evidently, a feminazi, and so is any woman who shows herself to have an opinion that is different from a man's, or in any way criticises the behavior of any man, anywhere, at any time. I am a second-wave (?) feminist, I was formed by all that 70's equal pay for equal work stuff, and I have found that I'm a little out of touch with the current trend. Evidently men are becoming "feminized". No one has told any of the men that I actually deal with, though. I'm okay with that. Once a man tosses out "feminazi", and it's companion word, "misandry", I know that further conversation with that man is impossible. I know it's a very old chestnut, but Rebecca West really did have it right... differentiate yourself from a doormat, and voila! feminazi! Without even the stylish Hugo Boss uniform.

Yachtie -> RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law (2/24/2012 2:15:11 PM)
I do agree with Limbaugh when he said - Watching the woman's movement while walking about 20 feet behind is quite wonderful. [8D]

Hillwilliam -> RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law (2/24/2012 2:17:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Yachtie I do agree with Limbaugh when he said - Watching the woman's movement while walking about 20 feet behind is quite wonderful. [8D] I need to be a bit closer. My eyes aren't as good as they used to be.

PeonForHer -> RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law (2/24/2012 2:18:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus Once a man tosses out "feminazi", and it's companion word, "misandry", I know that further conversation with that man is impossible. I know it's a very old chestnut, but Rebecca West really did have it right... differentiate yourself from a doormat, and voila! feminazi! Without even the stylish Hugo Boss uniform. I'd not put 'feminazi' in the same group as 'misandry', myself. I've seen misandrists using this forum: to me, they've clearly had a general prejudice against men. Such women I've just found to be a bit silly and childish. Not really worth taking seriously. But they've rarely been what I'd recognise as 'feminists'. Even the most stupid of feminists will realise that feminism is about equality and freedom; therefore, putting men down as 'lesser beings' doesn't fit. 'Feminazi', though . . . nah. Who cares what it means? None of those mouth-frothing terms cooked up by nutty right wingers is worth thinking about. They don't bear more than a millisecond of interrogation.

kalikshama -> RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law (2/24/2012 2:23:33 PM)
quote: Do you spend much time on Fetl, Kalikshama? I mostly use Fet for events - I vastly prefer the discussion format here. quote: I am, evidently, a feminazi, and so is any woman who shows herself to have an opinion that is different from a man's, or in any way criticises the behavior of any man, anywhere, at any time. I think that's # 8: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=feminazi&page=2 A name, loosely synonymous with "bitch," that men call women who seek power and control (i.e. traditionally "male" qualities) over their lives. A pejorative term for "feminist." Usually insinuates that a woman is breaching her "subordinate place" by attempting to put forth ideas and beliefs that are threatening to male social dominance and power, or are revealing of men's undeniable historical marginalization and oppression of women (i.e. if ever there were a Nazi dominion...). What? Naomi Wolf says that women don't have true equality with men? That stupid feminazi bitch! She should shut up before they notice...

SternSkipper -> RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law (2/24/2012 2:38:25 PM)
quote: I do agree with Limbaugh when he said - Watching the woman's movement while walking about 20 feet behind is quite wonderful. See if he'll sell ya some oxies

LadyHibiscus -> RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law (2/24/2012 2:51:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus Once a man tosses out "feminazi", and it's companion word, "misandry", I know that further conversation with that man is impossible. I know it's a very old chestnut, but Rebecca West really did have it right... differentiate yourself from a doormat, and voila! feminazi! Without even the stylish Hugo Boss uniform. I'd not put 'feminazi' in the same group as 'misandry', myself. I've seen misandrists using this forum: to me, they've clearly had a general prejudice against men. Such women I've just found to be a bit silly and childish. Not really worth taking seriously. But they've rarely been what I'd recognise as 'feminists'. Even the most stupid of feminists will realise that feminism is about equality and freedom; therefore, putting men down as 'lesser beings' doesn't fit. 'Feminazi', though . . . nah. Who cares what it means? None of those mouth-frothing terms cooked up by nutty right wingers is worth thinking about. They don't bear more than a millisecond of interrogation. We don't, we start joke groups and have fun. "Psycho Feminist Bitches" gets more traffic than my "Vigilante Cunts!" but that one had to be commemorated.

SternSkipper -> RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law (2/24/2012 3:30:20 PM)
quote: That wasn't my understanding of the term - feminists = feminzai doesn't make sense without a qualifier but "women whose goal is to allow as many abortions as possible" seems too specific. So I turned to Urban Dictionary and found 54 definitions. I'm going with #14: A word used by ignorant idiots to describe any type of feminist or women's rights activist. Is extremely offensive to both the issue of women's rights and- here's a shocker- victims of one of the most brutal wars in human history. I'll tell you, while I can Identify women in the past that I didn't like in the femenist movement. That term just grosses me out. There've actually been relatively few women that have said or done much to make the movement look bad. And frankly, I have never heard a GUY that used it that wasn't real moron. But I also kinda think it's a part of standing up to the shit political and social REGULATION (yeah, they want to deregulate everything BUT, your rights and dignity) we get subjected to as progressive thinking people. If you're a liberal or left of center, get ready for the name Socialist. If you're a woman with a socio-political conscience get ready for the name Feminazi. If you're black and you're vocal about the importance of civil rights or even just politically active get ready for the name N*gger. The list goes one... but my bottom line is it's basically a consequence having your fucking head on straight these days.

tweakabelle -> RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law (2/24/2012 4:20:15 PM)
Observation of how the term ‘feminazi’ is used here on CM suggests the following definition: Feminazi: a term used by some males to project or displace castration anxiety originating in a traumatic reaction to the loss of male privileges and power to women demanding equality and freedom. A particular favourite of those who seek to re-impose total male domination of womens’ sexuality, freedom , autonomy, especially reproductive freedoms and choices, use of this term often indicates/is accompanied by feelings of intense misogyny and personal inadequacy and/or insecurity, sexual dysfunction and unresolved same-sex attractions.

PeonForHer -> RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law (2/24/2012 4:26:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Feminazi: a term used by some males to project castration anxiety originating in a traumatic reaction to the loss of male privileges and power to women demanding equality and freedom. Ah, that'll be why I've never used the term, then, Tweaks. My bollocks are massive as well as impressively hairy, and attached to my torso with a one inch cord made of titanium.

tweakabelle -> RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law (2/24/2012 4:28:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Feminazi: a term used by some males to project castration anxiety originating in a traumatic reaction to the loss of male privileges and power to women demanding equality and freedom. Ah, that'll be why I've never used the term, then, Tweaks. My bollocks are massive as well as impressively hairy, and attached to my torso with a one inch cord made of titanium. citation please! [:D]

LadyHibiscus -> RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law (2/24/2012 4:29:29 PM)
You can trust me, Tweak. [8D]

SoftBonds -> RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law (2/24/2012 5:18:18 PM)
I'm in general a fan of the feminist movement, but in the 1850's I think there was a group of feminists who were against equality for African Americans for fear that it would be "pushing society too far," to have votes for blacks and women. Resulted in a rather nasty split and IMHO set back progress on women's rights. Then again, I'm crappy with dates, so it might have been the 1890's or the 1910's... Not sure even those women should be conflated with Nazi's though. Even the worst of them were not advocating genocide. BTW, third site I found trying to get my history straight: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Feminism/feminism_is_evil.htm LOL!!!

SternSkipper -> RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law (2/24/2012 5:34:49 PM)
quote: A particular favourite of those who seek to re-impose total male domination of womens’ sexuality, freedom , autonomy I'm just curious, is that your viewpoint regarding all male/female domination (all the by-product symptomology you mention)? Cause dome of us prefer clothesline and a few romantic sentiments. Or are you specifically referring to the low functioning types using the low fruit of that term.

Aswad -> RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law (2/24/2012 5:48:45 PM)
To the OP, I would define the term in counterpoint to Peon. The types of feminism that are about equality and freedom do not merit the term. To quote one of the main feminist organizations here, however: "Don't be absurd. Feminism isn't about freedom. You can't just do what you like. It has to be in line with the overall doctrine." I would apply the term to radical feminists that would impose their doctrine on women, taking on the role of oppressor to "correct" or "protect" these "poor, weak sisters of ours that haven't our strength and insight". That's likely not the only case I would use the term, but I would like to think I reserve it for brands of feminism that are both too radical for the bulk of women and indefensible from where I stand. I would also note that I've used it, and the term 'misandry', in posting here, and that it doesn't appear to have driven e.g. LadyHibiscus to ignoring me on any regular basis, despite the assertion above. As such, I suspect it's a term for which there is a time and place, but that the vast majority are consistently using it as an emote that serves little other purpose than to mark their stance so one can sort them more quickly as she suggested. Much like the term 'slut'. Health, al-Aswad. P.S.: I have a different reply, but without editing it requires more seasoning than is reasonable to expect on a thread such as this. If anyone wants it, it's in my PIM, so I can PM a copy.

kalikshama -> RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law (2/24/2012 5:50:09 PM)
quote: I'm just curious, is that your viewpoint regarding all male/female domination (all the by-product symptomology you mention)? I love my man's domination of me! (Neither of us believe that he has the God-given responsibility to do this by virtue of his penis and my vagina.)

kalikshama -> RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law (2/24/2012 6:00:05 PM)
quote: The types of feminism that are about equality and freedom do not merit the term. To quote one of the main feminist organizations here, however: "Don't be absurd. Feminism isn't about freedom. You can't just do what you like. It has to be in line with the overall doctrine." I would apply the term to radical feminists that would impose their doctrine on women, taking on the role of oppressor to "correct" or "protect" these "poor, weak sisters of ours that haven't our strength and insight". That's likely not the only case I would use the term, but I would like to think I reserve it for brands of feminism that are both too radical for the bulk of women and indefensible from where I stand. I'm about equality and freedom - I supported my sister throughout her legal career, and I applaud her now that she is a stay at home mother.

LadyHibiscus -> RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law (2/24/2012 6:01:03 PM)
Aswad, perhaps you recall my "I am a feminist" thread from years ago? I got a good idea of who you are and what you stand for, and I think I can safely say that I don't need to ignore you, even if we disagree! [;)]

Winterapple -> RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law (2/24/2012 6:01:25 PM)
The women in the nineteenth century sufferage movement were abolitionists. Susan B Anthony in particular, her father was a strong abolitionist as well. The two movements were in sync with one another and in most cases or certainly a great many of them people who supported one supported the other. Though there were anti slavery people who were against women voting or having other rights. All anti slavery proponents didn't think black men should be allowed to vote for the same paternalistic reasons they didn't think women should. After the war when black men being allowed to vote was on the table Frederick Douglas went to the leaders of the suffrage movement making the case that in the big picture black men being given the vote first was more important. The women including Anthony agreed though some women including Sojourner Truth were at first distressed. It was of course a longtime before women were allowed to vote and neither Anthony or Truth lived to see it. This is the first I've heard of this new attempt to rewrite history. It's extremely offensive to paint the nineteenth century suffrage movement in such a fashion. Were there individual white women in the movement who were more concerned with the vote for women? Sure. Were there bigoted women? No doubt there were. But the sisters that met up at Seneca Falls were progressive on a host of issues. The leaders supported Douglas and black men being given the right to vote. There was no doubt disappointment in the rank and file at this but to try and blow that up to them nineteenth century feminist bitches was a bunch of racists is ludicrous as well as historically and intellectually dishonest.

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