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kalikshama -> RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law (2/25/2012 6:44:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl So, does this mean feminazi, the term, should come under the ruling by Mod 21? I haven't seem Mod 21's ruling .... so I'm unable to answer that. Nonetheless, it would take a certain type of person to use the term knowing that many people are going to take it as advertising the user's own mental health insecurities and chronic inadequacies rather than the user's intended meaning wouldn't you say? While it's unlikely to kill off using the term permanently, it will mean that any future user will make an even bigger laughing stock of himself than might previously have been the case. Tazzy, is this what you mean: An update on Posting Style in this category quote: ORIGINAL: ModTwentyOne There appears to be a misconception among numerous posters in this forum. That misconception is that they or others are running for office, as virtually all discussions end up with discussions regarding, and/or attacks against, each other's character. Stop, please.

kalikshama -> RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law (2/25/2012 6:58:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kaliko I've never heard the term "feminazi" until these boards. I think I most agree with Aswad's definition: quote: I would apply the term to radical feminists that would impose their doctrine on women, taking on the role of oppressor to "correct" or "protect" these "poor, weak sisters of ours that haven't our strength and insight". That's likely not the only case I would use the term, but I would like to think I reserve it for brands of feminism that are both too radical for the bulk of women and indefensible from where I stand. Kaliko, do you think Aswad's definition is happening on the boards? Keep in mind that some posters are offering over-the-top options to illustrate over-the-top situations, such as the "Every sperm is sacred" clause in response to the Oklahoma personhood bill. State Senator Constance Johnson is not a feminazi, but an objector to absurdity. http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/02/07/dem-state-senator-appends-every-sperm-is-sacred-clause-to-ok-personhood-bill/ “However, any action in which a man ejaculates or otherwise deposits semen anywhere but in a woman’s vagina shall be interpreted and construed as an action against an unborn child.” This would outlaw masturbation by men, anal sex, sex with condoms, all forms of fellatio to completion, as well as numerous other acts. She later withdrew the measure, but stated that she had inserted it to highlight the absurdity and sexism inherent in the current bill.

Edwynn -> RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law (2/25/2012 7:34:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama Feminazi: because wanting to be treated like a human being is exactly* like invading Poland.* How do YOU define feminazi? I think that description of invading Poland goes a bit too far. I would more rank women's wanting to be treated like a human being as likened to an invasion of Czechoslovakia, or perhaps the Anschluss. There's my Godwinist contribution. In any case, aside from being beneficiary of some truly great thinking women in my family, my curiosity about science and history and music and such like was how I came to know who Maria Sklodowska and Clara Wieck were, among others. No women's studies needed for any of that. And, before anyone here makes the assumption, no, I've never at anytime fantasized about being a Courtier to Katherine The Great. Not ever.

Kaliko -> RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law (2/25/2012 7:41:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama Kaliko, do you think Aswad's definition is happening on the boards? No. Well, maybe. But I hadn't thought much about whether it could be applied to certain posters. Maybe it could, but that wasn't my aim. I hadn't heard the term before reading it on the boards, but I was applying Aswad's definition to what I think it would mean anywhere, not just here.

SoftBonds -> RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law (2/25/2012 8:24:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Consider the source,consider what was being discussed. None of the women posting are "feminazis" not by any stretch of the word. Yes I object to having the word used to describe posters, when its out of frustration and lack of facts to back up a poor argument. We are on a kink site, where dominant people of both sexes,reside, so there is bound to be a clash of beliefs about the difference in roles but no matter the sex, one has to remember there is a difference between dominant and domineering, and submissive and doormat. Like being called a marxist or a commie, if they had a clue about nuances and definitions, the term wouldnt be used, except by pouty people. But then, neither would psycho ass bitches, whore, cunt, gash, twat, or using fem hominems, whenever they cannot shut a woman up. PS I have NO issue with the words in a "D/s role" relationship, only in topic derogative s. just my two cents:) Wait... So Feminazis are Dommes??? (just a joke, please don't hurt me!!!)

SoftBonds -> RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law (2/25/2012 8:25:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: SoftBonds The more you educate women, the more opportunities they have, the more control they have over their lives, the more they can choose to have the children they can support when they want to have children. Hence why Birth rates in the US, Canada, Europe, and Australia have dropped to replacement levels (or a little less, but that will self-correct in time). So you see, I have selfish reasons for wanting equal rights for women, saving the planet is selfish, right? A nice sentiment but I dont think thats the only reason birth rate levels have dropped. In the UK there used to be large families due to survival, nothing more. Going back as recently as my great grandparents it wasnt unusual to have as many as ten kids, this was due to poor health conditions and a lack of medical care resulting in many kids dying young. Higher educational opportunities for Women=better financial situation for women=better health care for women=more births survive. I stand by my contention.

SoftBonds -> RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law (2/25/2012 8:29:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwynn quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama Feminazi: because wanting to be treated like a human being is exactly* like invading Poland.* How do YOU define feminazi? I think that description of invading Poland goes a bit too far. I would more rank women's wanting to be treated like a human being as likened to an invasion of Czechoslovakia, or perhaps the Anschluss. LOL!!! quote: And, before anyone here makes the assumption, no, I've never at anytime fantasized about being a Courtier to Katherine The Great. Not ever. Oh, but I have...

Lucylastic -> RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law (2/25/2012 8:37:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SoftBonds quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic Consider the source,consider what was being discussed. None of the women posting are "feminazis" not by any stretch of the word. Yes I object to having the word used to describe posters, when its out of frustration and lack of facts to back up a poor argument. We are on a kink site, where dominant people of both sexes,reside, so there is bound to be a clash of beliefs about the difference in roles but no matter the sex, one has to remember there is a difference between dominant and domineering, and submissive and doormat. Like being called a marxist or a commie, if they had a clue about nuances and definitions, the term wouldnt be used, except by pouty people. But then, neither would psycho ass bitches, whore, cunt, gash, twat, or using fem hominems, whenever they cannot shut a woman up. PS I have NO issue with the words in a "D/s role" relationship, only in topic derogative s. just my two cents:) Wait... So Feminazis are Dommes??? (just a joke, please don't hurt me!!!) Nope:) not gonna hurt you... promise But its got nothing to do with being a Domme,sub or whatever everything to do with being a woman who believes in equality and the right to decide when and if she wants to have a family/child. Personally I have little time for ardent supremacists, male, female or otherwise.

tazzygirl -> RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law (2/25/2012 9:04:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl So, does this mean feminazi, the term, should come under the ruling by Mod 21? I haven't seem Mod 21's ruling .... so I'm unable to answer that. Nonetheless, it would take a certain type of person to use the term knowing that many people are going to take it as advertising the user's own mental health insecurities and chronic inadequacies rather than the user's intended meaning wouldn't you say? While it's unlikely to kill off using the term permanently, it will mean that any future user will make an even bigger laughing stock of himself than might previously have been the case. Tazzy, is this what you mean: An update on Posting Style in this category quote: ORIGINAL: ModTwentyOne There appears to be a misconception among numerous posters in this forum. That misconception is that they or others are running for office, as virtually all discussions end up with discussions regarding, and/or attacks against, each other's character. Stop, please. No, hun. I was thinking of the one about slurs, but Mod21 limited those to racial or ethnic.

Kirata -> RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law (2/25/2012 9:35:30 AM)
~ FR ~ I feel that 'man-hating' is an honorable and viable political act... ~Robin Morgan, former president of NOW Heterosexuality like motherhood, needs to be recognized and studied as a political institution... the model for every other form of exploitation ~Adrienne Rich Female heterosexuality is not a biological drive... [it is] is a set of social institutions and practices... about the oppression and exploitation of women ~Marilyn Frye, Willful Virgin: Essays in Feminism No women should be authorized to stay at home and raise her children... Women should not have that choice ~Simone de Beauvoir, Saturday Review One can know everything and still be unable to accept the fact that sex and murder are fused in the male consciousness, so that the one without the imminent possibly of the other is unthinkable and impossible. ~Andrea Dworkin, Letters from a War Zone All men are rapists and that's all they are. ~Marilyn French, The Women's Room Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometime gain from the experience. ~Catherine Comins, Vassar College Assistant Dean of Student Life The male sex represents a degeneration and deformity of the female. ~A Feminist Dictionary K.

tazzygirl -> RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law (2/25/2012 9:47:50 AM)
Catherine Comins, assistant dean of student life at Vassar, also sees some value in this loose use of "rape." She says angry victims of various forms of sexual intimidation cry rape to regain their sense of power. "To use the word carefully would be to be careful for the sake of the violator, and the survivors don't care a hoot about him." Comins argues that men who are unjustly accused can sometimes gain from the experience. "They have a lot of pain, but it is not a pain that I would necessarily have spared them. I think it ideally initiates a process of self-exploration. 'How do I see women?' 'If I didn't violate her, could I have?' 'Do I have the potential to do to her what they say I did?' Those are good questions." Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,157165,00.html#ixzz1nPuQiQfG Just a little bit more of what that one was about.

PeonForHer -> RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law (2/25/2012 9:57:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aswad I would apply the term to radical feminists that would impose their doctrine on women, taking on the role of oppressor to "correct" or "protect" these "poor, weak sisters of ours that haven't our strength and insight". That's likely not the only case I would use the term, but I would like to think I reserve it for brands of feminism that are both too radical for the bulk of women and indefensible from where I stand. If pushed, I'd go for the first sentence of that as a viable definition, too. 'Authoritarian-feminist' would be more accurate, I'd say, though less catchy and punchy . It would also mesh nicely with those brands of left and right ideologies that have taken the authoritarian route. But I'd stick by the definition of feminism as being about equality and freedom. If a purported 'feminist' doesn't support those two aims, then she's not a feminist - and I'd be more than happy to tell her so. Indeed, as I always have female supremacists who've turned up here to argue their case.

Kirata -> RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law (2/25/2012 10:09:34 AM)
Good point. I think we would all be faced with a lot to think about if we were unjustly accused of a serious crime. Indeed, on reflection, no socially conscious individual could possibly conclude otherwise than that none of us should be spared the pain of such a valuable educational experience at the hands of a lying scumbag willing to inflict suffering upon an innocent person. Thanks for helping me out on that one. K.

SoftBonds -> RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law (2/25/2012 10:15:34 AM)
I don't think a prostitute is more moral than a wife, but they are doing the same thing. -- Prince Philip, husband of Queen Elizabeth II of England. These are rare attainments for a damsel, but pray tell me, can she spin? -- King James I of England, upon being introduced to a woman who was fluent in Latin, Greek and Hebrew. Even when our Mother Eve (the fairest of her daughters) was given the best man ever made, she chose a devil for a confidant and treated the salvation of her race as a matter for a bargain counter, vainly decidig that she could get something better than Paradise from the advance agent of the other shop. -- Thomas C. Robson (1912). Can't live with them, or without them. -- Aristophanes, Lysistrata, 411 B.C. I bet you had no idea that this saying was as old as this. Women exist in the main solely for the propagation of the species. -- famous German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer In neurasthenia or insanity, "cherchez la femme" - woman is at the bottom of most troubles. -- Sir William Osler (1950). Frailty, thy name is woman! -- William Shakespeare. The mind of woman is easily misled. She yields to her desires and surrenders to jealousy more easily than a man. Therefore it is difficult for a woman to follow the Noble Path. -- The Buddha Cunning women and witches we read ofwithout number, but wisdom never entered into the character of a woman. It is not a requisite of the sex. -- Richardson, Clarissa Harlowe Women prefer men who have something tender about them -- especially the legal kind. -- Kay Ingram One must choose between loving women and knowing them. -- Ninon de Lenclos The souls of women are so small, that some believe they've none at all. -- Samuel Butler A fine lady is a squirrel-headed thing, with small airs and small notions, about as applicable to the business f life as a pair of tweezers to the clearing of a forest. -- George Eliot There are some meannesses which are too mean even for man - woman, lovely woman alone, can venture to commit them. -- William Makepeace Thackeray Foolish and wretched is the man who builds his happiness on the frail and unstable affection of a woman. -- Leland Point taken???

Kirata -> RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law (2/25/2012 10:19:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SoftBonds Point taken??? Damn, you mean both sexes are subject to the same misbegotten attitudes? Well holy fuck, have you published this? The world needs to know! K.

SoftBonds -> RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law (2/25/2012 10:22:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata All men are rapists and that's all they are. ~Marilyn French, The Women's Room Following the rape of Val's daughter Chris, Val states (over Mira's protests), "Whatever they may be in public life, whatever their relationships with men, in their relationships with women, all men are rapists, and that's all they are. They rape us with their eyes, their laws, and their codes" (p. 433). Critics have sometimes quoted Val's dialogue as evidence of French's misandry without noting that the passage is only spoken by one of many characters in the novel [1][2]. Mira later ends her relationship with Ben after finding out that he expects her to return to Lianu with him and have a child together. Soon after, she finds out that Val has been shot following a violent protest at the trial of a rape victim. (from wikipedia)

kalikshama -> RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law (2/25/2012 10:27:06 AM)
Well, do we call Shakespeare and Buddha misogynists?

PeonForHer -> RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law (2/25/2012 10:29:52 AM)
Women prefer men who have something tender about them -- especially the legal kind. -- Kay Ingram That one cracked me up. My Dad'll love it. [:D]

Yachtie -> RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law (2/25/2012 10:31:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Comins argues that men who are unjustly accused can sometimes gain from the experience. "They have a lot of pain, but it is not a pain that I would necessarily have spared them. I think it ideally initiates a process of self-exploration. 'How do I see women?' 'If I didn't violate her, could I have?' 'Do I have the potential to do to her what they say I did?' Those are good questions." Translation: That an unjust accusation of rape is potentially beneficial to the man, the woman is therefore to be regarded as moral to her act. Such is indefensible but to the logically impaired.

Kirata -> RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law (2/25/2012 10:35:13 AM)
The point I was trying to make is that there has existed a peculiar sort of faux-feminism that is little more than hatred for males and for women who find pleasure in their relationships with them. The Women's Room has been described as, "a 1970s feminist landmark novel that drew much criticism for giving women little hope of achieving happiness in relationships with men." That seems to fit the bill. But in any case, there are plenty of others to take its place. Are you denying reality, or just inclined to throw down your cloak for any pretty foot? K.

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