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RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law - 2/25/2012 4:34:59 PM   
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RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law - 2/25/2012 4:44:27 PM   
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Yeah, I would imagine most men would be lost at this point.


I would imagine most men would be "lynched" for making a similar statement about women.

(I hope) I get what you're saying, but I would love a clearer aswer to the implicit question.

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Try the mid 80's to the mid 90's... the introduction of, and the various studies about, date rape, which was he context that the vassar woman was speaking about.


That's a lot later than I thought she made the statement, which makes it even more crucial to forming a reasonable opinion to know whether she was indeed referencing false accusations, or the perception of same. If you would give a clear-cut answer to that, it would be appreciated.

I don't much mind being lost now and again, but I prefer to be found.

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RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law - 2/25/2012 4:46:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Yeah, I would imagine most men would be lost at this point.


That's a pretty sexist, and somewhat patronising thing to say, don't you think?

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Try the mid 80's to the mid 90's... the introduction of, and the various studies about, date rape, which was he context that the vassar woman was speaking about.


Here's why I'm so fucking confused.... I cannot for the life of me see how you could possibly, under any circumstances, link anything that I have said on this thread, or any other that relates in any way to the above statement.

It seems as if you're disagreeing with me, and I have no fucking idea what it is you're actually disagreeing with.

Maybe I'm being stupid, it's late. But I'd really like to know what it is that makes you think that you and I might actually disagree on this topic.

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RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law - 2/25/2012 5:00:03 PM   
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It hasnt been around long enough to have become evolved.


I posit this thread as an example to the contrary.

Already, the meme shows signs of substantial mutations, and the appearance of a second viable strain that probably has far greater long term viability than the original. Which strain prevails is up to, among others, the posters in this thread. Particularly the women. Are you going to go the antimemetic route, hoping to avoid resistant strains of the original? Promemetic, hoping the less virulent strain will outcompete the original and perhaps lose its virulence altogether in the long term? Quarantine, like many have suggested?

I'm immune to Limbaugh, but the other strain sort of snuck in without being flagged, and I'm afraid it seems a pretty contagious one, going from what I've run into offline. Until this thread, however, I hadn't heard it used in reference to a pro-choice stance (I'm pro-choice). I could see the latent virulence "genes", but those are counterselective factors, so I expect they'll be dropped as waste code and not conserved. These things are intriguing to watch as they unfold.

As you say, it may not be around in 20 years; it'll be easier to track than most potential model memes.

That said, don't underestimate the rate of mutation in linguistic-memetic evolution.

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RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law - 2/25/2012 5:35:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Aswad

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Yeah, I would imagine most men would be lost at this point.


I would imagine most men would be "lynched" for making a similar statement about women.

(I hope) I get what you're saying, but I would love a clearer aswer to the implicit question.

quote:

Try the mid 80's to the mid 90's... the introduction of, and the various studies about, date rape, which was he context that the vassar woman was speaking about.


That's a lot later than I thought she made the statement, which makes it even more crucial to forming a reasonable opinion to know whether she was indeed referencing false accusations, or the perception of same. If you would give a clear-cut answer to that, it would be appreciated.

I don't much mind being lost now and again, but I prefer to be found.

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First, a new “sexual assault” category will significantly broaden the old denotation “sexual offenses” under Section 21 of the regulations. Soucy said, “We heard from many victims that using the word ‘rape’ doesn’t always apply to the circumstances, since sexual assault is not always sexual intercourse. So instead we went to a broader definition for our college regulations and used the term ‘sexual assault’ to encompass a variety of unwanted sexual behaviors.”

An update to their sexual offence rules at Vassar. Read the bolded part again.... they heard from victims. Women are just as confused, at times, as men as to when to yell rape and when not too.

And, gentlemen, I am sorry you seem to be having trouble understanding my responses. There isnt a single bone in my body that hates a man. There are, in fact, many parts of me that crave men. But I wont be silenced because men do not like something I have said and, instead of asking for clarification, they make assumptions.

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I get what you're saying, but I would love a clearer aswer to the implicit question.


Allow me to put it this way... if women are confused between the differences, why would I assume men understand them? That has nothing to do with sexism, elitism, or any other kind of ism you gentlemen can come up with.

If the victim doesnt know what to lable things and why, and the law doesnt really care or is frustrated because they dont get it either, why on earth would I presume to insist that every man should damn well understand because....? Why? He is a man? he is all knowing?



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RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law - 2/25/2012 5:58:03 PM   
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Higher educational opportunities for Women=better financial situation for women=better health care for women=more births survive.
I stand by my contention.



You are correct. Although that isnt what I meant when I said better healthcare. I meant better as in "more advanced" which has also allowed for a lower birth rate to be possible.

I want thinking of cost, then again we have the wonderful NHS over here.

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RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law - 2/25/2012 8:54:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry, Aswad, as a rule I like to listen and consider carefully what you have to say. In this instance, I can't even begin to take what you have posted above seriously.

You know as well as I do that feminism is not about " banning the right to stay at home, up to calling for the extermination of 3 billion men as a means to fashion a utopia, an ends justifying said means." To my knowledge, no woman posting here has ever uttered such gibberish. So why is the term "feminazi" being used here on CM? Are you suggesting this is what feminism is about?

Feminism is a political and social agenda for positive change that aims for gender equality and freedom. It's simplest most widespread definition is that feminism is about womens' rights to choose. As a political force, it is responsible for huge improvements the lives, and the quality of life of hundreds of millions of women and children around the world. Positive changes at the everyday level - the right to participate in the workforce on an equal footing, equal pay for equal work, decent health services for women, control over reproductive choices, votes for women, educational choices, the removal of discrimination in the law and life, an end to violence against women and children etc etc.

To focus on the minuscule number of cases where false allegations of rape have been made by vindictive women, while failing to even mention the millions of actual rapes and associated violence ranging up to murder that occur annually doesn't merely exhibit a lack of "balance and perspective" it exhibits a complete absence of "balance and perspective". The implication - that feminism is somehow connected to or responsible for these indefensible acts by a few dozen (perhaps!) women - is too absurd to merit consideration. If that implication isn't the point of bringing up this red herring, then the entire issue is irrelevant to the OP.

Using the material you, and one or two others, have posted to try to fashion a stick to beat feminism makes for a very limp flaccid stick. Lift your game please.


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RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law - 2/25/2012 9:09:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		On topic portion of post:
I'm just a poor, simple male (grin) but...
I *think* that the point the Vassar lady was making was that while me grabbing a strange woman's breast, crotch, or pulling her clothing off is not, in itself, rape, it still would probably cause the woman some distress.

Off topic portion:
This is a great thread, not only have we coined a new term "Christinazi," but we have found our first example (Westburo Baptists).
We also can accuse any Christian of being a Christinazi, and if called on it, say, "No, I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about folks like the Westburo Baptists..."
After all, that is what some folks do regarding Feminazis, and what's good for the goose is good for the gander, right?

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RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law - 2/25/2012 9:21:37 PM   
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RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law - 2/25/2012 9:30:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SoftBonds

On topic portion of post:
I'm just a poor, simple male (grin) but...
I *think* that the point the Vassar lady was making was that while me grabbing a strange woman's breast, crotch, or pulling her clothing off is not, in itself, rape, it still would probably cause the woman some distress.

Off topic portion:
This is a great thread, not only have we coined a new term "Christinazi," but we have found our first example (Westburo Baptists).
We also can accuse any Christian of being a Christinazi, and if called on it, say, "No, I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about folks like the Westburo Baptists..."
After all, that is what some folks do regarding Feminazis, and what's good for the goose is good for the gander, right?

What's good for the goose is indeed good for the gander (which is pretty close to the basic claim of feminism - what men are entitled to so are women). And the logic of your 'off topic' remarks is impeccable. It certainly captures the inanity of abusive terms like 'feminazi', and the arguments advanced thus far to justify the use of such abusive terms, perfectly.

But 'Christinazis'? Or 'X-nazis'? Or anything-nazis? Personally I'd rather not go there.

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RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law - 2/25/2012 10:14:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

I think the term you're looking for is Christianazi. Otherwise you're calling *me* a nazi. And I really don't think I did anything that despicable!


You are despicably cute, but I can see how even your cuteness falls short of the Nazi label, I apologize.

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RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law - 2/25/2012 10:19:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle


quote:

ORIGINAL: SoftBonds

On topic portion of post:
I'm just a poor, simple male (grin) but...
I *think* that the point the Vassar lady was making was that while me grabbing a strange woman's breast, crotch, or pulling her clothing off is not, in itself, rape, it still would probably cause the woman some distress.

Off topic portion:
This is a great thread, not only have we coined a new term "Christinazi," but we have found our first example (Westburo Baptists).
We also can accuse any Christian of being a Christinazi, and if called on it, say, "No, I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about folks like the Westburo Baptists..."
After all, that is what some folks do regarding Feminazis, and what's good for the goose is good for the gander, right?

What's good for the goose is indeed good for the gander (which is pretty close to the basic claim of feminism - what men are entitled to so are women). And the logic of your 'off topic' remarks is impeccable. It certainly captures the inanity of abusive terms like 'feminazi', and the arguments advanced thus far to justify the use of such abusive terms, perfectly.

But 'Christinazis'? Or 'X-nazis'? Or anything-nazis? Personally I'd rather not go there.


X-nazis, the result of professor Xavier being kidnapped by Aryans and brainwashed into turning his mutants into a force for evil?
anything-nazis, a group of sexually promiscuous nazi's, known for having sex with anything???
don't-go-there-nazis, a group of national socialists that huddle in fear in their bunkers, refusing to even think about going "there."

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RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law - 2/25/2012 11:47:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		There's no such thing as real feminazis? ... There are sure going to be some very disappointed subby's who've wanked-off to all those old women-in-german-prisonguard uniform porno flicks. You ought to leave them a little something, and not destroy their visions of Sandra-Klaus bearing sacks full of cuffs and whips for all the bad little boys (and bad little girls, too, just to be EEOK, etc). ... They saw it in the movies, so it has to be true somewhere, right? ...

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Seriously though, the word "feminazi" riles up some people, in no small part because it's intended to do exactly that when it's used a broadly perjorative insult. The people who use it that way realize exactly what they meant to do, and in an ironic twist, the people most obstreporously offended by it often fit its portmanteau meaning better than they'd prefer to admit to themselves or others.

Yeah, sure, pseudo-conservative rightwingnuts like Limbaugh etc aim to advance their own politics by impugning the entire women's-rights movement because that's associated with liberal-leftish politics. Some members of the women's-rights movements (most of whom have reasonable goals and methods, IMO), however, won't disavow the radical elements (much like some muslims won't disavow their violent sects), because it forwards their respective goals to some extent, and so we're left with the reality of the negative-connotation-"ist" labels, and extension of that into words like feminazi, islamonazi, etc.

Those women who take their rights seriously, even to the point of calling themselves "feminists" would serve their cause better by acknowledging that some of their number behave with sometimes counter-productive aggression, and policing their own camp instead of ranting when a derisive term is applied from outside. That would disarm the rightwingnutz use of the "feminazi" term.



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RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law - 2/26/2012 1:16:42 AM   
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am sorry you seem to be having trouble understanding my responses.


The reason I "seem to be having trouble understanding your responses" to me is that you are very definitely having trouble understanding the fact that I didn't say anything whatsoever that disagrees with you POV.

I'm all for a bun fight but.. fuck me... what on earth were you actually debating with me???

This thread reminded me of those occasions when, on a night out, a drunk would lurch out from no-where and start shouting rambling nonsense at me.

You know, never mind.

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RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law - 2/26/2012 1:17:47 AM   
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RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law - 2/26/2012 3:01:46 AM   
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Women are just as confused, at times, as men as to when to yell rape and when not too.


I'm aware of this. It's why we've started a program to educate young women on where the line is drawn, which is generally (at least at the age when they attend) sooner than they think. A good- or at least well intentioned- measure, I hope you'll agree.

Let me rephrase my question, as I think we're misunderstanding one another here. I wonder if the woman K quoted was refering to ambiguities, or referring to making false claims about what happened (and not the interpretation thereof).

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And, gentlemen, I am sorry you seem to be having trouble understanding my responses.


Nah, it's my fault. The blood goes elsewhere whenever my eyes stray to the nice corsetry.

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But I wont be silenced because men do not like something I have said and, instead of asking for clarification, they make assumptions.


Hope this wasn't meant for me. I've apologized for the latter, and done the former, and I'm not trying to silence you. On the contrary, I considered not posting for a while, so as to not unintentionally end up "drowning" you in posts to reply to (it's been pointed out in the past that I sometimes end discourse by text volume, rather than quality, which is not my intent).

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If the victim doesnt know what to lable things and why, and the law doesnt really care or is frustrated because they dont get it either, why on earth would I presume to insist that every man should damn well understand because....? Why? He is a man? he is all knowing?


Haven't you heard of Teh Powah of Peeniz?

I hear it makes any doofus omniscient.

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RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law - 2/26/2012 3:47:21 AM   
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You are despicably cute, but I can see how even your cuteness falls short of the Nazi label, I apologize.


Don't you go stealing my glory. *I* invented 'Christinazi', so it's *my* privilege to apologise to Blushes. Which I do. If she has jackboots at all, they're probably pink and she looks like Hannah Montana when wearing them.


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RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law - 2/26/2012 4:27:36 AM   
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He could try, but I doubt he would be successful. After all Rush isn't a dealer and he doesn't strike me as the kind of person who shares well with others.


Why not just say "your stalker's back"?
If you didn't want the fact that Rush isn't a dealer brought up, why did you mention it in the first place? It sounds like something a troll would do.

Do you even know what "leave me alone" means?
Yes, that's what some of the people on cm say when they get caught in a lie and can't come up with anything better. It rarely works on here because they are not in a position to moderate others posts. So what it your point?
Nothing was addressed to you. And you're not the lost Limbaugh baby.
I can respond to any post made on this forum. If you have a problem with that you are free to put me on hide. Not sure what the baby crack is supposed to mean.




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RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law - 2/26/2012 7:06:23 AM   
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Let me rephrase my question, as I think we're misunderstanding one another here. I wonder if the woman K quoted was refering to ambiguities, or referring to making false claims about what happened (and not the interpretation thereof).


More likely about them being both.

Does that help?

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RE: Feminazis and Godwin's Law - 2/26/2012 7:22:42 AM   
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You know as well as I do that feminism is not about " banning the right to stay at home, up to calling for the extermination of 3 billion men as a means to fashion a utopia, an ends justifying said means." To my knowledge, no woman posting here has ever uttered such gibberish. So why is the term "feminazi" being used here on CM?


I would prefer to not have the term used on collarme with the possible exception of unless it is referring to those attitudes above.

While someday "feminazi" may evolve to "a pathetic little twat who is terrified of women," we're not there yet.

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