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Fightdirecto -> The newest wrinkle from the Birther front (2/24/2012 3:56:29 PM)

Lawsuit claims Obama can't be President because he's Black

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The various legal shenanigans attempted by Birthers all boil down to one very simple premise: Obama cannot be president of the United States because he’s black. Period. Questioning his birth certificate. Questioning whether having an African father makes him not an American citizen. Always some new “question” as to his legitimacy as president. All of these are just window dressing. The problem is, and always has been, he’s black.

Well, at least one Alaskan (no, it’s not Palin) has decided to just go ahead and say.

Earlier this week, Gordon Warren Epperly filed a lawsuit to have Obama removed from the November ballot. His (rather brazen) reasoning?

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Barack Hussein Obama II, a.k.a. Barack Hussein Obama, a.ka. Barack H. Obama has the race status of being a “mulatto.” Barack Obama’s father (Barack Hussein Obama I) was a full blood Negro being born Nyang’oma Kogelo, Nyanza Province, Kenya and raised in the Colony of Kenya. Barack Obama’s mother (Stanley Ann Dunham) was a white Caucasian woman being born in Wichita, Kansas on November 29, 1942 and raised in the state of Washington and in the state of Hawaii...

As stated above, for an Individual to be a candidate for the office of president of the United States, the candidate must meet the qualifications set forth in the United States Constitution and one of those qualifications is that the Candidate shall be a “natural born citizen” of the United States. As Barack Hussein Obama II is of the “mulatto” race, his status of citizenship is founded upon the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. Before the [purported] ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment, the race of “Negro” or “mulatto” had no standing to be citizens of the United States under the United States Constitution.

As the fourteenth amendment is only a grant of “civil rights” and not a grant of “political rights” Barack Hussein Obama II does not have and “political rights” under any provision of the United States Constitution to hold any Public Office of the United States government.


So, because President Obama is half-black, or more crassly, a Mulatto, he has no “political rights” under the Constitution. This would also include, by the way, the right to vote, the right to peaceably assemble, etc.

Such honesty is refreshing, really.
Of course, Mr. Epperly goes into the grand conspiracy of the mysterious birth certificate, but the main thrust of his argument is that black people are not real Americans. It’s about time a conservative just came out and admitted it. Don’t be fooled by right wing protestations of it being an ISOLATED INCIDENT, this is how they think. America, to them, is a White (not white, White) Christian nation that is theirs by right. Obama is just a black usurper. Who do you think they’re talking about when they scream “I want my country back!”?

.PDF of Court filing challenging President Obama being on the 2012 ballot




DaNewAgeViking -> RE: The newest wrinkle from the Birther front (2/24/2012 4:37:19 PM)

That boy (the one who filed this pornography as a legal brief) should be horse whipped. If there is any shred of decency left in Alaska, the judge will throw this out on the wording alone.
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elegant1 -> RE: The newest wrinkle from the Birther front (2/24/2012 4:52:18 PM)

the issue of obama shouldnt be president because of him being black is bull!! I WANT OBAMA!! THIS IS JUST MORE BULL CONCOCTED BY THE REPUBLICAN MUD SLINGING TEAM TO OUST A GREAT PRESIDENT. BECAUSE THE REPUBLICANS HAVE NOBODY DECENT TO RUN AND WIN THE PRESIDENCY FROM OBAMA,,SOOO THEY HAVE TO RESORT TO RUINING HIS GOOD NAME ANND TRYING TO UNSEAT HIM IN ANY DIRTY UNDERHANDED WAY POSSABLE WITH NO SENCE OF FAIRNESS WHATSOEVER! LOOK AT WHAT THEY DID TO CLINTON! WHO GIVES A RATS ASS IF HE CHEATED ON HIS WIFE, ITS HIS PERSONAL BUSINESS, BY THE WAY,,BUSH SPENT 1 BILLION DOLLARS TO DIG INTO CLINTONS HISTORY AND PRIVATE LIFE TO GAIN POWER FOR THATS ALL THE TEA PARTY CARES ABOUT,THAT AND MONEY AND ALSO TO MONETERALLY ENSLAVE THE AMERICAN PUBLIC WITH THIERE LIES! BEWARE OF WHITE GUYS IN SUIT WITH JERRY FALWELL HAIRCUTS. ISNT AMERICA SICK OF THESE ROBBER BARONS YET?!?! THE BOTTOM LINE FOR THE TEA PARTY,(tea baggers),IS MONEY AND POWER,AT ALL AND EVERY COST HONEST OR DISHONEST,BUSH DAMN WELL NEARLY BANKRUPTED THE U,S, ARENT YOU SIC OF THE F**KING BASTARDS YET?AND AFTER 30 YEARS OF THEM ISNT IT ABOUT TIME THAT DEMOCRATS MANOPOLISE THE U,S,A, FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS? thats what i see----elegant1--.




kalikshama -> RE: The newest wrinkle from the Birther front (2/24/2012 4:56:59 PM)

John Oliver deconstructs more dogma: http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-february-23-2012/indecision-2012---rick-santorum-s-conservative-rhetoric




SoftBonds -> RE: The newest wrinkle from the Birther front (2/24/2012 5:00:29 PM)

Interesting point about the constitution, it never says the president must be born in the USA. Only that the president must be a "Natural Born Citizen."
Primary ways to be a Natural Born citizen? Being born in the US, OR being born to a parent who is a US Citizen OR being found in the United States before the age of 5 years and not having lack of citizenship proven by the 18th birthday.
Among others, John McCain was not born in the US (born in Panama)... For that matter, a lot of children of the military are not born in the US. Does someone really want to claim that the children of folk willing to put their lives on the line for their nation should not be full citizens???
Also note that if the right ever closes off the "Anchor babies loophole," that the only way to be a US citizen will be by being born to a US citizen.
So is someone going to claim Obama's momma wasn't a US citizen???




DaNewAgeViking -> RE: The newest wrinkle from the Birther front (2/24/2012 6:45:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SoftBonds

So is someone going to claim Obama's momma wasn't a US citizen???

I'm sure someone will get around to it at some point, especially after their pipe-dream of a one term Obama is crushed, and the drive to discredit him starts anew. Likely something like she married a foreigner, so she became a foreign citizen.
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slvemike4u -> RE: The newest wrinkle from the Birther front (2/24/2012 6:51:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DaNewAgeViking

That boy (the one who filed this pornography as a legal brief) should be horse whipped. If there is any shred of decency left in Alaska, the judge will throw this out on the wording alone.
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I have long thought that this being America one's right to be an asshole is assured.
So I have no issue with his obvious bigotry(well no,I do have issue with it,I just recognize his right to be an asshole)but clogging up the court system is not an inalienable right ...court costs and a strongly worded condemnation from the judge should be the only outcome here.




erieangel -> RE: The newest wrinkle from the Birther front (2/24/2012 7:22:21 PM)

I think that argument has already been made, though maybe not in court. I do remember reading it on several message boards in '08.




Fightdirecto -> RE: The newest wrinkle from the Birther front (2/25/2012 1:05:27 AM)

The "'non-Caucasians' are 14th Amendment citizens - not really citizens" argument has been in the White Supremacist play book for quite some time. But using it to file a lawsuit is rare - and desperate.




Moonhead -> RE: The newest wrinkle from the Birther front (2/25/2012 6:59:52 AM)

And very funny.
Maybe now that one of these idiots has actually put that nonsense in an affadavit, the teabaggers will finally give up on it...




Hillwilliam -> RE: The newest wrinkle from the Birther front (2/25/2012 7:19:01 AM)

At least they're finally admitting their racism.

The first step to solving a problem is to admit it exists.




tj444 -> RE: The newest wrinkle from the Birther front (2/25/2012 7:43:44 AM)

This should not surprise people.. This is AMERICA... where anything is possible... [;)]




Raiikun -> RE: The newest wrinkle from the Birther front (2/25/2012 8:11:12 AM)

The lawsuit is, of course ridiculous. The faulty generalization made by the guy writing the article in the OP though, is of course, equally ridiculous.




thompsonx -> RE: The newest wrinkle from the Birther front (2/25/2012 1:09:14 PM)

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"Anchor babies loophole,"


Could you give us a definition of "anchor baby"




SternSkipper -> RE: The newest wrinkle from the Birther front (2/25/2012 1:09:22 PM)

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I WANT OBAMA!! THIS IS JUST MORE BULL CONCOCTED BY THE REPUBLICAN MUD SLINGING TEAM TO OUST A GREAT PRESIDENT.


You will be far from alone this november. I'm afraid the right wings is about to have three years of counter-productivity stuck up their asses.
They're operating as if THIS was the inspiration




Real0ne -> RE: The newest wrinkle from the Birther front (2/25/2012 5:44:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SoftBonds

Interesting point about the constitution, it never says the president must be born in the USA. Only that the president must be a "Natural Born Citizen."
Primary ways to be a Natural Born citizen? Being born in the US, OR being born to a parent who is a US Citizen OR being found in the United States before the age of 5 years and not having lack of citizenship proven by the 18th birthday.
Among others, John McCain was not born in the US (born in Panama)... For that matter, a lot of children of the military are not born in the US. Does someone really want to claim that the children of folk willing to put their lives on the line for their nation should not be full citizens???
Also note that if the right ever closes off the "Anchor babies loophole," that the only way to be a US citizen will be by being born to a US citizen.
So is someone going to claim Obama's momma wasn't a US citizen???


momma was required to be in hawaii for 5 years and she was only there for 4, daddy is a brit.

as I pointed out long time ago in other threads there is no way in hell that he can lawfully hold that office.



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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto

The "'non-Caucasians' are 14th Amendment citizens - not really citizens" argument has been in the White Supremacist play book for quite some time. But using it to file a lawsuit is rare - and desperate.



How about the law you put your ass on the line to uphold and protect? Here is the "ruling" law like it or not that has not been entered on the record in any court case. I have yet to see any court side step the statutes at large, (the organic law of the land) but then there is after all, always a first time.

So did you fight to uphold the law or what did you fight for?


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[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/blacks/NaturalizationLaw18023.jpg[/image]


Oh and btw, not saying I agree that it the way it "should" be, just saying that IS the way it is, regarless of my personal feelings.





DaNewAgeViking -> RE: The newest wrinkle from the Birther front (2/25/2012 6:13:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

momma was required to be in hawaii for 5 years and she was only there for 4, daddy is a brit.


Gawd, talk about Radical Shuck And Jive - the law you quote so eagerly refers to 'aliens' residing in any of the states - Momma Obama was born a US citizen, so that doesn't apply to her. For that matter, she didn't need to be a resident of Hawaii for 5 years even if she was an alien, any state would do since it's all one big country. Talk about desperate! What will you do once Obama is reelected?
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Fellow -> RE: The newest wrinkle from the Birther front (2/25/2012 6:15:58 PM)

I guess Gordon Warren Epperly works for Obama special covert operations unit.




Real0ne -> RE: The newest wrinkle from the Birther front (2/25/2012 6:54:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DaNewAgeViking

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

momma was required to be in hawaii for 5 years and she was only there for 4, daddy is a brit.


Gawd, talk about Radical Shuck And Jive - the law you quote so eagerly refers to 'aliens' residing in any of the states - Momma Obama was born a US citizen, so that doesn't apply to her. For that matter, she didn't need to be a resident of Hawaii for 5 years even if she was an alien, any state would do since it's all one big country. Talk about desperate! What will you do once Obama is reelected?
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you are hereby declared winner by impasse! LMAO Of course you have lots of law to back up those unfounded statements dont you. at least you didnt deny daddy is a brit which also disqualifies him, I wont tell if you dont! LMAO




DaNewAgeViking -> RE: The newest wrinkle from the Birther front (2/25/2012 7:03:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

you are hereby declared winner by impasse! LMAO Of course you have lots of law to back up those unfounded statements dont you. at least you didnt deny daddy is a brit which also disqualifies him, I wont tell if you dont! LMAO

Yeah, that Rule of Law thing is a bitch, ain't it? BTW, you haven't answered my question: what will you do when your pipe-dream of Obama going down in flames gets blown away by a cold, hard dose of reality? I'm not afraid to tell. How about you?
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