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Now in the case of where there was no law before it is called a new law. If it changes (and that includes completely throwing out the old law and REVISING the law) it becomes part of the USC. Now, in the case of the Volstead act (an amendment to the constitution) if you drank the day before you were good to go, if you drank after its passage, ratification and signing into law, well then you were in violation (no expost facto to it you see) later this amendment was done in, and no law replaced it. We call that REPEALED.

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ORIGINAL: SternSkipper

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City codei hasn't anything to do with the discussion of the USC, you see, we have another thing you are not aware of. local governments.

Ya can't blame him for that Ron. He's a Cheeser (wisconsin).... His governor has suspended local governments because they disagreed with him and he found that inconvenient.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

I told you that you do not have enough shit to throw at the wall to get anything to stick.

I am waiting for the case law ANYTHING for you to provide that supports even one fucking claim you made. None out there and I have STANDING LAW, you have ZIPPO! LMAO

You cannot make the claim you make without the assumption the USC trumps the SAL yet you continue on your bogus assumptions as usual.

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Now in the case of where there was no law before it is called a new law. If it changes (and that includes completely throwing out the old law and REVISING the law) it becomes part of the USC. Now, in the case of the Volstead act (an amendment to the constitution) if you drank the day before you were good to go, if you drank after its passage, ratification and signing into law, well then you were in violation (no expost facto to it you see) later this amendment was done in, and no law replaced it. We call that REPEALED.

only a shit house lawyer (or judge) would call that repealed as it violates the very foundational principles of this government.

If that were the case there would be no need to EVER repeal ANYTHING, and we could make any fucking assumptions we wanted.

I have already posted umteen fucking cases from the supreme court acknowledging english common law in this country in even the late 1900's that you and your ilk pejoratively claim is not relevant law because you as usual think its been "repealed"! LMAO

Suck my case law! LOL

For the 3rd time I accept your concession LOL

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ORIGINAL: SoftBonds

Being the last poster does not make you the "winner" of the thread, it means that you have made your lack of willingness to listen or learn so clear that no one is willing to bother any longer...

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
Why give you caselaw, you don't understand the law, there is nothing to gain by it.

No need to, since the gubafia operates on your fucked up opinions! LOL

You quote 8 USC from the 1960's (another birther thread), when it was convienient to your laughably invalid arguement. but refuse to admit that there is 8 USC in force TODAY as law of the land, you don't know what expost facto is, or obiter dicta, or statutes at large, you don't even know that the REASON George Washington is referred to as the father of our country is that he presided over the constitutional congress and was the first signatory of said document.

again you fail to make proper distinctions and throw everything into one bucket, the result being shit in shit out, and I certainly am not going to teach you everything from the ground up. Go to a con law school.

yawn
 

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ORIGINAL: SoftBonds

Realone, I quoted the 1790 law, which is the only one that applies. [the 1802 repealed most if not all of that LOL]
I posted an explaination of Ex Post Facto, since you kept talking about that. [epost facto include retroactive and retrospect, again you miss the point]
I got tired of pointing out that there is not one, not 3, not 5, but a multitude of legal explainations for why even if Obama wasn't born in the US, he could still be president. And that is before two other issues:
1. occam's razor, which is more likely, that a huge conspiricy was hatched 40-some years ago to change birth records solely so that Obama could one day run for pres (since his US citizenship was assured by his mother's nationality), or that he was actually born in Hawaii, and the folks who say otherwise are full of it?
occams razor? definition, "reduce to the level of complete idiocy such that the merits may never be derived] whiich is exactly how these cazes have been handled!

that and occams was created to reference scientific understanding of matters empirical


2. who cares? <--nuff said The majority has spoken, and will soon speak again. When I was 25 I joked about running for president and challenging the constitutionality of the constitution to get on the ballot. Silly of me, but ultimately, you have to look at the intent of the founders. They didn't want a president who was influenced by foreign loyalty. AKA, if the king of England ran for president of the US, he might try to re-unify the British Empire.

and obama has a british daddy! imagine that

Personally, I don't see any problem with Arnold running for President of the US, all we would need is a constitutional amendment. But for Obama... sheesh, standing, lack of proof, and the sheer silliness.
Volume may win arguements, but it will not win converts.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: SoftBonds

Realone, I quoted the 1790 law, which is the only one that applies. [the 1802 repealed most if not all of that LOL]
I posted an explaination of Ex Post Facto, since you kept talking about that. [epost facto include retroactive and retrospect, again you miss the point]
I got tired of pointing out that there is not one, not 3, not 5, but a multitude of legal explainations for why even if Obama wasn't born in the US, he could still be president. And that is before two other issues:
1. occam's razor, which is more likely, that a huge conspiricy was hatched 40-some years ago to change birth records solely so that Obama could one day run for pres (since his US citizenship was assured by his mother's nationality), or that he was actually born in Hawaii, and the folks who say otherwise are full of it?
occams razor? definition, "reduce to the level of complete idiocy such that the merits may never be derived] whiich is exactly how these cazes have been handled!

that and occams was created to reference scientific understanding of matters empirical


2. who cares? <--nuff said The majority has spoken, and will soon speak again. When I was 25 I joked about running for president and challenging the constitutionality of the constitution to get on the ballot. Silly of me, but ultimately, you have to look at the intent of the founders. They didn't want a president who was influenced by foreign loyalty. AKA, if the king of England ran for president of the US, he might try to re-unify the British Empire.

and obama has a british daddy! imagine that

Personally, I don't see any problem with Arnold running for President of the US, all we would need is a constitutional amendment. But for Obama... sheesh, standing, lack of proof, and the sheer silliness.
Volume may win arguements, but it will not win converts.

and the framers would have hung you

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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education SUCKS, and it’s the same reason it will never, ever, EVER be fixed.

It’s never going to get any better, don’t look for it, be happy with what you’ve got.

Because the owners, the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the BIG owners! The Wealthy… the REAL owners! The big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions.

Forget the politicians. They are irrelevant. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice! You have OWNERS! They OWN YOU. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought, and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies, so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls.

They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want:

They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. Thats against their interests.

Thats right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table and think about how badly they’re getting fucked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fucking years ago. They don’t want that!

You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers, people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork. And just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shitty jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you sooner or later cause they own this fucking place! Its a big club, and you ain’t in it! You, and I, are not in the big club.

By the way, its the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head with their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table has tilted folks. The game is rigged and nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care! Good honest hard-working people; white collar, blue collar it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on. Good honest hard-working people continue, these are people of modest means, continue to elect these rich cock suckers who don’t give a fuck about you….they don’t give a fuck about you… they don’t give a FUCK about you.

They don’t care about you at all… at all… AT ALL. And nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. Thats what the owners count on. The fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick thats being jammed up their assholes everyday, because the owners of this country know the truth.


Its called the American Dream,because you have to be asleep to believe it.


Read more: http://shoqvalue.com/george-carlin-on-the-american-dream-with-transcript#ixzz1nkDMN6mT

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Yeah, and thats obamas birth certificate the short course then.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Yeah, that and that and laws that are repealed sorta get in the way too.

Obama is legal, end of joke.  

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Oh, I am not at all afraid of law reviews 50 years hence, or repealed laws 110 years past.

My understanding is excellent.