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RE: Hey! Non-Americans! Question... - 2/27/2012 9:56:51 AM   
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I don't think there are many countries in the world that you couldn't say that about...

I see the US for what it is. You are further away, while i am a non-American but living here, I am Canadian and Canada is the mouse next the the elephant. The US tries hard to push its ways on Canada, just one example are forfeiture laws.. Canada has refused to do exactly as the US has done and let police forces profit from forfeiture laws..

Or what went on with the city hall in Bell, CA.. and then there are the banksters, etc and various other numerous examples..

So I see US corruption as the worst of the worse.. I dont want to see my home country infected with it...

http://reason.com/archives/2010/01/26/the-forfeiture-racket

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-09-21/justice/california.bell.arrests_1_luis-artiga-misappropriation-victor-bello?_s=PM:CRIME

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RE: Hey! Non-Americans! Question... - 2/27/2012 10:28:23 AM   
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There's those oil sands as well. If memory serves, the chimp had Condi Rice demanding rights for those while the fuss over them stiffing you on payments for all that cheap lumber you send them was going on...

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RE: Hey! Non-Americans! Question... - 2/27/2012 1:04:29 PM   
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I don't think there are many countries in the world that you couldn't say that about...

I see the US for what it is. You are further away, while i am a non-American but living here, I am Canadian and Canada is the mouse next the the elephant. The US tries hard to push its ways on Canada, just one example are forfeiture laws.. Canada has refused to do exactly as the US has done and let police forces profit from forfeiture laws..

Or what went on with the city hall in Bell, CA.. and then there are the banksters, etc and various other numerous examples..

So I see US corruption as the worst of the worse.. I dont want to see my home country infected with it...

I don't know anything about the forfeiture laws in Canada and the US but neighbouring states often try to harmonise in a number of respects so maybe it wasn't necessarily a question of bullying. Clearly the US has issues with corruption but its true to say most democratic countries have serious issues with the problem as well, where I live included.

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RE: Hey! Non-Americans! Question... - 2/27/2012 1:10:35 PM   
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So as a liberal, I'm a Non-American, right? Isn't that what Sarah Palin said?

carefull what you wish for....
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Ash, are you worried she's a bit too big even for your needs?

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RE: Hey! Non-Americans! Question... - 2/27/2012 2:10:10 PM   
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So as a liberal, I'm a Non-American, right? Isn't that what Sarah Palin said?



Being a liberal doesn't make you a non-American, it just makes you a wrong American.

Are you sure it was Sarah that said that?

Close enough.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsps2bNOpPs

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RE: Hey! Non-Americans! Question... - 2/27/2012 3:31:08 PM   
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I don't think there are many countries in the world that you couldn't say that about...

I see the US for what it is. You are further away, while i am a non-American but living here, I am Canadian and Canada is the mouse next the the elephant. The US tries hard to push its ways on Canada, just one example are forfeiture laws.. Canada has refused to do exactly as the US has done and let police forces profit from forfeiture laws..

Or what went on with the city hall in Bell, CA.. and then there are the banksters, etc and various other numerous examples..

So I see US corruption as the worst of the worse.. I dont want to see my home country infected with it...

I don't know anything about the forfeiture laws in Canada and the US but neighbouring states often try to harmonise in a number of respects so maybe it wasn't necessarily a question of bullying. Clearly the US has issues with corruption but its true to say most democratic countries have serious issues with the problem as well, where I live included.

That was just one example, another is the US is always trying to get other countries to change their extradition laws. The did badger the pussy Liberal previous govt into making it easier to extradite Canadians to the US for trial. One example was Marc Emery, a Canadian pot activist that sold pot seeds by mail, he didnt step foot in the US but they got the govt to make it easier to extradite him. All he did was sell pot seeds which in Canada is a grey legal area, no one in Canada gets drug charges for that. But the US govt had him on their 10 Most Wanted Drug Criminal list.. this was just a guy selling friggin pot seeds! ..he is now serving 5 stinking years in a US jail..

The US govt has used 9/11 and the threat of terrorism to bully other countries into changing all sorts of laws. Switzerland used to have banking privacy, the US changed that. So yes, i do think the US does bully other countries. The UN said no to invading Iraq, that did not stop the US.. we know how thats turned out..

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RE: Hey! Non-Americans! Question... - 2/27/2012 5:05:03 PM   
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That was just one example, another is the US is always trying to get other countries to change their extradition laws. The did badger the pussy Liberal previous govt into making it easier to extradite Canadians to the US for trial.


Its the same with extradition laws in the UK, we have had several high profile cases recently. New labour decided to do a deal on extradition, which meeans the burden of proof that the US needs to show, is less than the other way around. To make matters worse, said laws were made in respect of terrorism cases and are now being used for other reasons, such as the Nat West three.

I have nothing against any of these extradition laws being in place but FFS lets have a level playing field.

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RE: Hey! Non-Americans! Question... - 2/27/2012 5:13:35 PM   
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Sweet Violet, odd that you ask for views on this from overseas. Police here in the UK have been given permission to remove the occupy supporters from St Pauls Cathedral. The protesters are being evicted as I type ( Its just after on AM here )

Ever considered yourself a jinx..........

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RE: Hey! Non-Americans! Question... - 2/27/2012 5:23:13 PM   
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So.. How does the political landscape in America look right now? What do you think of Occupy Wall Street? Rick Santorum? Fox News?


From an Australian perspective, the overall pollitical landscape looks fairly bland. The health care issue is a little strange...looks like sour grapes from uncaring people who don't pay their fair share of tax in the first place.

Rick Santorum looks like a religious fundamentalist ( it does not matter which religion, they are all the same; intollerant, insular and insecure)...Fucking dumbass. And he sings like a cow.

I dont know anything about Fox News, It appears to be confinned to the other side of the world.

While the prosters of the occupy Wall St movement have their hearts in the right place, they need to get a job and pay some tax. Yes...I know that job will probbably menial and back breaking, but it still needs doing.

Please do not loose the Worlds Reserve Currency Status as China has been buying Australian stuff with US dollars. If the US goes bust, so does its allies.

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RE: Hey! Non-Americans! Question... - 2/27/2012 6:28:39 PM   
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Sarah Palin made her bones exposing corruption in government, and by bringing down a sitting governor of her own party over it.

I wonder how many of our non-US participants, or how many of our domestic liberals for that matter, are familiar with that part of the Sarah Palin resume.

And you know damn well that was her pinnacle of anything remotely useful.




That's a cheap cop out, Lucy, on a pretty significant and rare accomplishment, especially when you consider that President's Obama's known encounter with corruption in government and politics got him a nice big yard for his first mansion, but thanks for having the integrity to be the only one who even acknowledged it.

Continuing in the theme of the thread, though, did this story ever make it into any of the foreign coverage of her?

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RE: Hey! Non-Americans! Question... - 2/27/2012 6:36:36 PM   
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That was just one example, another is the US is always trying to get other countries to change their extradition laws. The did badger the pussy Liberal previous govt into making it easier to extradite Canadians to the US for trial.


Its the same with extradition laws in the UK, we have had several high profile cases recently. New labour decided to do a deal on extradition, which meeans the burden of proof that the US needs to show, is less than the other way around. To make matters worse, said laws were made in respect of terrorism cases and are now being used for other reasons, such as the Nat West three.

I have nothing against any of these extradition laws being in place but FFS lets have a level playing field.

Yes, the US govt wants to Americanize the world.. they want all other countries to do things exactly their way..

Thats another thing about the US, the IRS for instance now uses laws that were supposedly to combat terrorism to terrorize non-terrorist Americans and others..

Most Americans dont even know their own laws.. the IRS now watches who enters the US,.. they try to catch Americans that live in other countries but dont realize that no matter where in the friggin world they live and no matter how many years or decades they are away, every year every American non-resident is still required to file a US tax return and they are taxed on income over $85,000/yr.. even if they owe no tax, they still are required to file and if they dont there is a fine for each infraction (& the fine is not chicken feed).. So any American that comes back to the US to visit but hasnt filed their tax returns could end up spending a nice vacation in jail.. And people wonder why I dont want American citizenship..

"In addition to filing one’s 1040 income tax return, every US citizen has also the obligation to file with the Treasury Department TD F 90-22.1 i.e. the Foreign Bank Account and Financial Records (FBAR) form of which many of us have only recently become aware. It has a non-willful penalty of up to $10,000 for not filing. The FBAR must be filed every year if one has assets on deposits in foreign accounts (i.e., checking, savings, stocks, pension, etc.) that average over $10,000."

"starting in 2014 (moved from 2013), foreign financial institutions will be required by the US government under the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act (FATCA) to report information regarding accounts of US citizens to the IRS. This law requires foreign financial institutions (FFI) like your local bank, stock brokers, hedge funds, pension funds, insurance companies, trusts, etc. - to report directly to the IRS all their clients who are US persons. The penalties for the institutions that do not cooperate are steep. There is no clear idea of what foreign banking institutions will do with their US clients."

http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474979980479

"Apparently using a recently ratified tax information exchange agreement (TIEA) as their authority, dozens of IRS agents have fanned out across Panama looking for non-compliant U.S. taxpayers living or doing business there. At least some of them are carrying firearms. How would you feel if an SUV full of armed IRS agents pulled into your driveway in a foreign country?"

"One woman I know of from Mexico didn’t realize she was also a U.S. citizen until she was nearly 50 years old. She learned of her U.S. status when she purchased a condo in southern California. At the closing, her attorney told her she needed to sign the closing documents as a U.S. citizen, not a non-resident alien. She thought nothing of it, and signed the contract. A few months later, she received a notice from the IRS at her new address informing her that they were investigating her for willful failure to file tax returns and possible criminal tax evasion."

"Non-renewal of passports. As I described here, the General Accountability Office has concluded that in just one year, the State Department issued passports to 224,000 citizens who owed nearly $6 billion in unpaid federal taxes. The GAO suggests that Congress may wish to “consider taking steps to enable [the] State [Department] to screen and prevent individuals who owe federal taxes from receiving passports.” And without a passport, of course, you have no way to travel internationally."

http://www.financialsense.com/contributors/mark-nestman/2011/10/12/us-to-non-residents-pay-up-or-face-the-consequences-part-2

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RE: Hey! Non-Americans! Question... - 2/27/2012 6:38:05 PM   
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I don't think there are many countries in the world that you couldn't say that about...

I see the US for what it is. You are further away, while i am a non-American but living here, I am Canadian and Canada is the mouse next the the elephant. The US tries hard to push its ways on Canada, just one example are forfeiture laws.. Canada has refused to do exactly as the US has done and let police forces profit from forfeiture laws..

Or what went on with the city hall in Bell, CA.. and then there are the banksters, etc and various other numerous examples..

So I see US corruption as the worst of the worse.. I dont want to see my home country infected with it...

I don't know anything about the forfeiture laws in Canada and the US but neighbouring states often try to harmonise in a number of respects so maybe it wasn't necessarily a question of bullying. Clearly the US has issues with corruption but its true to say most democratic countries have serious issues with the problem as well, where I live included.

That was just one example, another is the US is always trying to get other countries to change their extradition laws. The did badger the pussy Liberal previous govt into making it easier to extradite Canadians to the US for trial. One example was Marc Emery, a Canadian pot activist that sold pot seeds by mail, he didnt step foot in the US but they got the govt to make it easier to extradite him. All he did was sell pot seeds which in Canada is a grey legal area, no one in Canada gets drug charges for that. But the US govt had him on their 10 Most Wanted Drug Criminal list.. this was just a guy selling friggin pot seeds! ..he is now serving 5 stinking years in a US jail..

The US govt has used 9/11 and the threat of terrorism to bully other countries into changing all sorts of laws. Switzerland used to have banking privacy, the US changed that. So yes, i do think the US does bully other countries. The UN said no to invading Iraq, that did not stop the US.. we know how thats turned out..

I take your point about extradition laws but I suppose two points need to be made. The first is that the international scene is unequal, and as far as I can see it always will be. Disregarding the military issue, larger countries always carry more economic punch than smaller or less powerful ones. All nations have a right to address their own interests. Stronger countries will inevitably have more success doing so. Now that doesn't justify the US trying to influence other countries but I think as long as it isn't severe, big countries influencing smaller nations will simply be a reality that cannot really be altered. I say this because I live in a small country that is part of a big political entity (the EU), and it gets pushed around a fair bit, to a point where it lost economic freedom. The US is a superpower. Superpowers inevitably flex their strength and should be compared with the behaviour of their ilk, e.g. Russia is playing some pretty shocking power-politics with its smaller neighbours including the Ukraine, which it acts like it still owns, and China isn't an angel either.

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RE: Hey! Non-Americans! Question... - 2/27/2012 6:44:24 PM   
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Cheap cop out my arse, its old history and she belly flopped she gave up, she quit. To make more money being a mouthpiece than doing what she said she wanted, nay was determined to do.
She failed, hilariously unsurprisingly and it left a bad taste in many peoples mouths(including 60 % of her former supporters as well it should have done.
Try to make this about obama AGAIN, good heavens, this is slightly off topic dont you think?
I do understand your reluctance to discuss the topic tho.
FOr those who were interested, the information was there, , I looked it up, I researched it, but I am not responsible for the world media. You will have to find out that for yourself



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RE: Hey! Non-Americans! Question... - 2/27/2012 6:47:34 PM   
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I take your point about extradition laws but I suppose two points need to be made. The first is that the international scene is unequal, and as far as I can see it always will be. Disregarding the military issue, larger countries always carry more economic punch than smaller or less powerful ones. All nations have a right to address their own interests. Stronger countries will inevitably have more success doing so. Now that doesn't justify the US trying to influence other countries but I think as long as it isn't severe, big countries influencing smaller nations will simply be a reality that cannot really be altered. I say this because I live in a small country that is part of a big political entity (the EU), and it gets pushed around a fair bit, to a point where it lost economic freedom. The US is a superpower. Superpowers inevitably flex their strength and should be compared with the behaviour of their ilk, e.g. Russia is playing some pretty shocking power-politics with its smaller neighbours including the Ukraine, which it acts like it still owns, and China isn't an angel either.

Its a slippery slope, the US will badger other countries year after year trying to get more and more and more of their policies or laws instituted in other countries.. In my above post about the IRS, now armed IRS agents are running around Panama.. IRS agents have no business being in any other friggin country!

To me, that is severe.. geeze, what does the US govt plan to do next???

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RE: Hey! Non-Americans! Question... - 2/27/2012 7:00:23 PM   
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I take your point about extradition laws but I suppose two points need to be made. The first is that the international scene is unequal, and as far as I can see it always will be. Disregarding the military issue, larger countries always carry more economic punch than smaller or less powerful ones. All nations have a right to address their own interests. Stronger countries will inevitably have more success doing so. Now that doesn't justify the US trying to influence other countries but I think as long as it isn't severe, big countries influencing smaller nations will simply be a reality that cannot really be altered. I say this because I live in a small country that is part of a big political entity (the EU), and it gets pushed around a fair bit, to a point where it lost economic freedom. The US is a superpower. Superpowers inevitably flex their strength and should be compared with the behaviour of their ilk, e.g. Russia is playing some pretty shocking power-politics with its smaller neighbours including the Ukraine, which it acts like it still owns, and China isn't an angel either.

Its a slippery slope, the US will badger other countries year after year trying to get more and more and more of their policies or laws instituted in other countries.. In my above post about the IRS, now armed IRS agents are running around Panama.. IRS agents have no business being in any other friggin country!

To me, that is severe.. geeze, what does the US govt plan to do next???

It isn't necessarily a slippery slope because there has always been some diplomatic give and take, and much smaller countries try to pull those stunts as well (e.g. France wanting to force Ireland to have a much higher corporationtax rate) but I agree that the tax thing concerning Panama is bad.

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RE: Hey! Non-Americans! Question... - 2/27/2012 7:00:47 PM   
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Sarah Palin made her bones exposing corruption in government, and by bringing down a sitting governor of her own party over it.

I wonder how many of our non-US participants, or how many of our domestic liberals for that matter, are familiar with that part of the Sarah Palin resume.

And you know damn well that was her pinnacle of anything remotely useful.




That's a cheap cop out, Lucy, on a pretty significant and rare accomplishment, especially when you consider that President's Obama's known encounter with corruption in government and politics got him a nice big yard for his first mansion, but thanks for having the integrity to be the only one who even acknowledged it.

Continuing in the theme of the thread, though, did this story ever make it into any of the foreign coverage of her?


Um, Heretic, I ignored your last post about Sarah Palin, but trust me, you don't want to mention her again.
I'm from Alaska, I know her skeletons, and if you don't want to find out why her own party leadership hates her, just don't go there.
It isn't about corruption, or at least, not about her exposing corruption...

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RE: Hey! Non-Americans! Question... - 2/27/2012 7:06:12 PM   
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TJ, you are talking about the Helms Burton act, I don't want anyone to forget it was Helms who wrote the law that says you pay taxes for 10 years AFTER you stop being a US citizen...among other foolishness.
Found out about that when I was considering becoming an Aussie. Then I learned that one of the top guys in Fox news was from there. No offense Aussies, but you gotta learn to keep your pollution from spreading like that!
I mean, sure, the US has some depleted uranium, CO2, smog, chemical issues, but compared to Fox news...sheesh.

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RE: Hey! Non-Americans! Question... - 2/27/2012 7:10:42 PM   
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Palin resigned as governor in the wake of the '08 election, Lucy, and bringing up the corruption record of another candidate in the same race that brought both of them to national prominence is hardly a derail or distraction.

That she could have (figuratively speaking, of course) flogged the shit out of Obama, had corruption records been an issue in the campaign, there might be a reason that aspect of her career and qualifications never really came up much in the coverage, here or abroad.

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RE: Hey! Non-Americans! Question... - 2/27/2012 7:23:50 PM   
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TJ, you are talking about the Helms Burton act, I don't want anyone to forget it was Helms who wrote the law that says you pay taxes for 10 years AFTER you stop being a US citizen...among other foolishness.
Found out about that when I was considering becoming an Aussie.

There are apparently 7 million non-resident Americans living around the world.. I just wonder how many of them know how much do-do they are in with the IRS for not filing tax returns.. I have even argued on a Canadian forum with an American living in Canada that kept insisting he didnt have to file US tax returns..

This bit now tho, about the US govt refusing to renew Americans passports until all tax returns are filed and taxes/fines paid should send a shiver down Americans backs.. Heaven help you if you are travelling and your passport gets lost or stolen..

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RE: Hey! Non-Americans! Question... - 2/27/2012 7:44:34 PM   
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Palin resigned as governor in the wake of the '08 election, Lucy, and bringing up the corruption record of another candidate in the same race that brought both of them to national prominence is hardly a derail or distraction.

That she could have (figuratively speaking, of course) flogged the shit out of Obama, had corruption records been an issue in the campaign, there might be a reason that aspect of her career and qualifications never really came up much in the coverage, here or abroad.


Sarah Palin, where to start.
In Wasilla, when she was elected mayor, the town decided to stop paying for rape kits for women. Why were the police now charging women for the investigation into rape? Well, if the woman declined to press charges, she didn't get the required post-rape counseling, and some folks on the right figured that could encourage a woman to get an abortion. So by charging women thousands of dollars if they were raped, they stopped abortions, maybe.
At the time she was elected mayor, the town didn't need a city administrator. After she became mayor, the town did. Not because it grew or anything, but because the mayor couldn't do the job of administrating the town.

Simple rule, each time someone brings her up, I will open up more of her history. I'm from Alaska, and I know where all her bodies are buried...
Don't make me go digging in the mudflats!

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