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hangemhigh1953 -> RE: new slave (3/1/2012 10:01:50 AM)
There's nothing wrong with professionals but considering that a friend of mine is a pro and puts huge amounts of effort and energy into her scenes just to help pay the bills, I tend to get offended at people who feel entitled to sit back on their asses and rake in money.

LaTigresse -> RE: new slave (3/1/2012 10:45:12 AM)
Offended or envious?

hangemhigh1953 -> RE: new slave (3/1/2012 11:05:56 AM)
Truly offended. I admire hard work.

LaTigresse -> RE: new slave (3/1/2012 11:12:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hangemhigh1953 Truly offended. I admire hard work. What is your measure of hard work and not?

hangemhigh1953 -> RE: new slave (3/1/2012 11:19:05 AM)
It's subjective. For example, planning out a scene, making the space rental arrangements, getting all dressed up in a sexy dominatrix outfit, and waking up early to set up for a client is hard work. Telling a guy you are not interested in him unless he can offer you money, by comparison, is not.

LaTigresse -> RE: new slave (3/1/2012 11:23:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hangemhigh1953 It's subjective. For example, planning out a scene, making the space rental arrangements, getting all dressed up in a sexy dominatrix outfit, and waking up early to set up for a client is hard work. Telling a guy you are not interested in him unless he can offer you money, by comparison, is not. You are correct, it is subjective. Which is why it's silly for you to be offended. Your opinion has no bearing on what anyone else does. It doesn't even hold up to scrutiny as a point of debate. Using your obscure explanation, many businesses are offensive. As well as many so called 'vanilla' relationships.

hangemhigh1953 -> RE: new slave (3/1/2012 11:24:43 AM)
Lol I do find most businesses offensive. Without starting a political discussion I will say that my opposition to exploitation originates from my socialist leanings [;)]

Rochsub2009 -> RE: new slave (3/1/2012 11:43:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hangemhigh1953 I will say that my opposition to exploitation originates from my socialist leanings I still don't understand why people are so quick to attack those whom they believe are "exploiting" others. By labeling it as "exploitation" you may be erroneously casting the participant as a victim, when he is in fact, a willing participant. What I see is a simple economic transaction. The person who is being "exploited" is obviously receiving personal utility (although you may not understand that utility) in exchange for his currency. Thus, it is a simple business transaction, and not exploitation. To me, exploitation occurs when deception and false promises are involved. But if the financial Domme makes it clear exactly what the sub is getting in exchange for his money, then he has not been exploited. You may not agree with the actions of a sub/slave who enjoys eating scat. However, you don't call them "exploited" because of their decision to do so. So why do people so quickly call financial domination "exploitation"? The exploited party typically goes into the transaction with their eyes wide open. Frankly, if a financial Domme can get a sub to pay her for doing absolutely nothing, then I applaud her ingenuity. In some circles, that would be called "the perfect business model". Hell, I wish I could get someone to send me tribute while I give them nothing in return. Don't hate. Congratulate!

LaTigresse -> RE: new slave (3/1/2012 12:12:45 PM)
If I was willing to put up with the crap that goes with it, hell yes I would. I simply don't have the patience.

hangemhigh1953 -> RE: new slave (3/1/2012 12:21:03 PM)
I think it's exploitation because I believe those men make that decision with their little head, not the big one. I see it as essentially exploiting a male's libido for a profit. A problem that's been happening sonce the beginning of time, sure, but that doesn't make it ok. Just because it is consensual doesn't mean it isn't exploitation. For the record, if I were female I could not feel good about myself if I financially dominated someone.

PeonForHer -> RE: new slave (3/1/2012 12:36:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MsLockitsKnyt quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven Hey, Knyt - if she refuses, tell her that I'll take that as proof she's a dude. Chicks love to hear that kind of stuff. Thanks for the tip, I can use all the help I can get....[:-] Just to say: I quite like your style. I also like Lockit. Which is why I haven't roasted your arse before now. ;-)

Rochsub2009 -> RE: new slave (3/1/2012 12:43:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: hangemhigh1953 I think it's exploitation because I believe those men make that decision with their little head, not the big one. You've just summarized the male experience since the dawn of time. Perhaps that's why females will always have an inherent advantage over us. quote: Just because it is consensual doesn't mean it isn't exploitation. Huh???!!! quote: For the record, if I were female I could not feel good about myself if I financially dominated someone. And you probably wouldn't feel good about yourself if you pissed on someone, or took a shit in their mouth. But that doesn't change the fact that there are people who are looking for exactly that. So from their perspective, you are not exploiting them. On the contrary, you are providing them with something that they value, but have a difficult time finding. From a pure economic standpoint, you are providing something for which they have a very high demand, but for which there is very low supply. So that means that they should be willing to pay a high price for it. That's Economics 101. [;)]

PeonForHer -> RE: new slave (3/1/2012 12:47:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rochsub2009 Those who are owned by Ms. Eve are there of their own volition. She provides something that is highly valued by those who serve Her. And they, in turn, serve Her loyally (and financially). While Her particular brand of D/s (or more accurately, M/s) is not for everyone, I think that many (most?) dominant women could learn from Her example. It amazes me that more Dommes don't emulate Her. Seriously, Roch, what on earth was all that about? Even if they wanted it, most women couldn't afford to get all the requisite cosmetic surgery even on their knockers. And what happens when a woman wants a man to talk to, as opposed to just a slobbering sub-kinkster? And what about when her tits start to droop and she develops grey hair and wrinkles? Or she accidentally farts? Pfft. I don't know. The fantasy world is so, so different from the world of relationships. Too far away for me to understand, I'm afraid.

mnottertail -> RE: new slave (3/1/2012 12:49:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer Or she accidentally farts? That was a poor example Peon, there are many miserable worms just praying for that day...........

PeonForHer -> RE: new slave (3/1/2012 1:00:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer Or she accidentally farts? That was a poor example Peon, there are many miserable worms just praying for that day........... You know, I thought of that as I clicked the 'OK' button. I should point out, lest any women are wondering: no male with a stomach like mine ever farts. It's a natural law - only fat blokes with non-ripply stomachs fart. Or have bad breath in the morning.

LaTigresse -> RE: new slave (3/1/2012 1:01:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: Rochsub2009 Those who are owned by Ms. Eve are there of their own volition. She provides something that is highly valued by those who serve Her. And they, in turn, serve Her loyally (and financially). While Her particular brand of D/s (or more accurately, M/s) is not for everyone, I think that many (most?) dominant women could learn from Her example. It amazes me that more Dommes don't emulate Her. Seriously, Roch, what on earth was all that about? Even if they wanted it, most women couldn't afford to get all the requisite cosmetic surgery even on their knockers. And what happens when a woman wants a man to talk to, as opposed to just a slobbering sub-kinkster? And what about when her tits start to droop and she develops grey hair and wrinkles? Or she accidentally farts? Pfft. I don't know. The fantasy world is so, so different from the world of relationships. Too far away for me to understand, I'm afraid. You are a fool if you think perfect looks is the key to financial domination. My breasts haven't been perky since before I was of legal age, I have a few gray hairs and on a really bad day, the beginning of wrinkles. I eat healthy therefore fart on occasion....... I have nooooooo shortage of people of both genders to talk to. I don't foresee a shortage anytime in the next few decades either. Yet I am quite fucking certain if financial domination was the route I wanted to take, I could. Unless of course, you are going to make the case that all men are simple minded fools that only care about perfect tits, hair, skin, and no gas.........?

Rochsub2009 -> RE: new slave (3/1/2012 1:07:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer Pfft. I don't know. The fantasy world is so, so different from the world of relationships. Too far away for me to understand, I'm afraid. Fantasy for whom? Just because it's not your reality, that doesn't mean that it isn't someone's reality. As far as relationships go, you assume that finding a "relationship" is the goal. That may be the goal for some, but clearly it's not for all. Some seek a D/s romance. Others seek a more transactional interaction. And still others see M/s as a far more preferable model than D/s. What if Dommes like Privileged or Saharah Eve are looking for slaves, and not "relationships"? Does that make them any less real? As for what happens when a woman's breast sag, or she develops grey hair......well, I guess it's the same thing that will happen to you when your six pack expands into a keg. [:D]

PeonForHer -> RE: new slave (3/1/2012 1:08:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse Unless of course, you are going to make the case that all men are simple minded fools that only care about perfect tits, hair, skin, and no gas.........? Nup. I'd only make that case for wanky men who consider themselves to be subs, La T. I do have a sneaking feeling that you do know that such men exist. In fact, some femdoms think most malesubs are like that. Actually, I think I'd put you yourself in that category, LaT, from your past posts, hmmm?

PeonForHer -> RE: new slave (3/1/2012 1:11:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rochsub2009 What if Dommes like Privileged or Saharah Eve are looking for slaves, and not "relationships"? Does that make them any less real? No, it just makes them American, Roch.

LaTigresse -> RE: new slave (3/1/2012 1:13:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: LaTigresse Unless of course, you are going to make the case that all men are simple minded fools that only care about perfect tits, hair, skin, and no gas.........? Nup. I'd only make that case for wanky men who consider themselves to be subs, La T. I do have a sneaking feeling that you do know that such men exist. In fact, some femdoms think most malesubs are like that. Actually, I think I'd put you yourself in that category, LaT, from your past posts, hmmm? It depends on the day whether I think 'most' fits or not. The guys that come here to Collarme, I would say that yes, MOST is definitely applicable. The guys that have a brain above their belt and have experience in successful relationships with women, MOST does not apply to at all.

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