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dcnovice -> The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/2/2012 5:17:17 PM)

So dear old Rush has been stirring the pot again, calling a Georgetown law student a slut because of her support for insurance coverage of contraception. And I'm left wondering, anew, if he speaks for anyone but himself.

I'm not all that tuned in to the conservative wavelength, so I'm wondering how representative Rush is. Has there been an outpouring of criticism? I did read that Boehner had criticized Rush's remarks.

Clearly, Limbaugh is very popular and draws a large audience. So whom does he speak to? And for?

Thoughts?




TheHeretic -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/2/2012 7:07:08 PM)

Hi, DC.

First off, this young woman is entitled all the same protections and respect for her character that Joe the Plumber got a few years back. Tough shit, to anybody who didn't whine when the bar got lowered to where it is, and doesn't like it now. Tougher shit to those who joined that party, and will now shriek and wail on her behalf, this time.

Who does Rush Limbaugh speak to? People in their cars, mostly. His job is to say anything that will keep them listening, loving him or hating him, or just chuckling a little at his jokes and song parodies, until the next ad for the Sleep Number Bed. Howard Stern has bragged that the people who hate him listen longer than anybody else, and I suspect Rush understands that formula very, very well.

On my last job, I was at the wheel anywhere from 9-17 hours a day, and I prefer regular installments of news and traffic reports to the greatest hits of the Carter administration, played over and over, that passed for a midday playlist on the classic rock stations I could get. (The repetition was even worse on the small market, modern rock station.) His show tends to be on the big, powerhouse AM stations that provide a strong, steady signal over hundreds of miles, and, around here, will penetrate the mountains and canyons of Southern California. Sometimes, he was all I could get. I hate country music, generally don't give the slightest shit about sports, and don't habla Espanol. Of my typically limited options, he was the most entertaining, so I had him on the radio for his whole show, most days. That followed either Stern, if I could get him, or Handel, who precedes Rush around here on the big AM. I'd always give Air America a chance, when I could pick up the signal, but then Al Franken would go with a schtick where he just sat on a dead mike, because he was watching the world series, or droned in a boring, ad-libbed, monotone monologue, and that would be the end of that. Rush understands his medium, and he's good at his job. That, more than anything about his political views, is why he enjoys the success he does.

Who does he speak for? Himself. If the "dittoheads" and dumbasses who buy his merchandise and think he's special want to come along for the ride, I'm sure they are welcome to help finance his lifestyle.




Owner59 -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/2/2012 7:13:58 PM)

In other words......cons like rich follow rush,dig him and regurgitate what he says here.......but won`t admit to that in polite company.




dcnovice -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/2/2012 7:34:18 PM)

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Hi, DC.


Hi, back! Hope life is treating you well.

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First off, this young woman is entitled all the same protections and respect for her character that Joe the Plumber got a few years back. Tough shit, to anybody who didn't whine when the bar got lowered to where it is, and doesn't like it now. Tougher shit to those who joined that party, and will now shriek and wail on her behalf, this time.


My memory of Joe the Plumber is hazy (I never gave him much mind, I must admit), though I did just read his Wikipedia profile. It sounds like there were some questions raised about his plumbing license and back taxes. But was there anything akin to his being called a "slut" or "prostitute"?

In any case, I've never found the "But they did it first!" argument particularly compelling, particularly since one can trace political invective back to the start of the republic.

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Who does Rush Limbaugh speak to? People in their cars, mostly. His job is to say anything that will keep them listening, loving him or hating him, or just chuckling a little at his jokes and song parodies, until the next ad for the Sleep Number Bed. Howard Stern has bragged that the people who hate him listen longer than anybody else, and I suspect Rush understands that formula very, very well.

On my last job, I was at the wheel anywhere from 9-17 hours a day, and I prefer regular installments of news and traffic reports to the greatest hits of the Carter administration, played over and over, that passed for a midday playlist on the classic rock stations I could get. (The repetition was even worse on the small market, modern rock station.) His show tends to be on the big, powerhouse AM stations that provide a strong, steady signal over hundreds of miles, and, around here, will penetrate the mountains and canyons of Southern California. Sometimes, he was all I could get. I hate country music, generally don't give the slightest shit about sports, and don't habla Espanol. Of my typically limited options, he was the most entertaining, so I had him on the radio for his whole show, most days. That followed either Stern, if I could get him, or Handel, who precedes Rush around here on the big AM. I'd always give Air America a chance, when I could pick up the signal, but then Al Franken would go with a schtick where he just sat on a dead mike, because he was watching the world series, or droned in a boring, ad-libbed, monotone monologue, and that would be the end of that. Rush understands his medium, and he's good at his job. That, more than anything about his political views, is why he enjoys the success he does.


Thanks for the firsthand perspective! I've never been a big radio listener.

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Who does he speak for? Himself. If the "dittoheads" and dumbasses who buy his merchandise and think he's special want to come along for the ride, I'm sure they are welcome to help finance his lifestyle.


What do you think of hs keynoting at CPAC in 2009? Would you see that as some sort of "establishment" endorsement?




dcnovice -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/2/2012 7:58:31 PM)

An interesting perspective from Sandra Fluke's alma mater, and mine.

Hoya saxa!




Owner59 -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/2/2012 8:21:28 PM)

One of the fundimentals of conservatism is being and/or feeling like a victim.


If you were to listen to rush and other extreme righties like him,you`ll hear narratives of how "white", "Christian", "men" are losing and getting beat-up and America is under attack and the government is hurting them personally and liberals are taking over and taking your guns,and Hollywood is pushing a "gay agenda" and etc.,etc.,etc....

If you`re some poor unhappy dumb-ass and you hear you`d be rich if it wasn`t for the government taking your tax money....you just might believe that,especially if you hear it over and over.

Then,once all the cons are convinced about their victimhood,and how the "other guys are so awful",it then becomes ok and justified to do and say just about anything,as rich said.





Owner59 -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/2/2012 8:39:00 PM)

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masternoname -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/2/2012 8:43:45 PM)

in that case he must have said it somewhere else, because that is not what he said in the post you replied to. So why do libs have such trouble understanding basic english.
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ORIGINAL: Owner59

In other words......cons like rich follow rush,dig him and regurgitate what he says here.......but won`t admit to that in polite company.






DarkSteven -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/2/2012 8:58:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Owner59

In other words......cons like rich follow rush,dig him and regurgitate what he says here.......but won`t admit to that in polite company.



Actually, Rich said that he listened to Rush for entertainment and kinda ignored the political content.




Owner59 -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/2/2012 9:02:28 PM)

He did "say" that....yes.





masternoname -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/2/2012 9:05:18 PM)

I think he also mentioned it was one of the only stations he could get at the time

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven


quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

In other words......cons like rich follow rush,dig him and regurgitate what he says here.......but won`t admit to that in polite company.



Actually, Rich said that he listened to Rush for entertainment and kinda ignored the political content.






tweakabelle -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/2/2012 9:11:51 PM)

I posted this on another thread but it's far from out of place here:

"So we have a junkie calling women who use contraception sluts and prostitutes, and then demanding a free perve at said sluts and whores ..... while claiming the high moral ground on the abortion issue ..... in between advocating wars against all and any perceived enemies of his way of life .....and getting paid squadrillions for his rants .... and ending up an influential leader of the looney Right.

In clinical terms, misogynist, psychopathic, violently deranged with delusions of grandeur, severely limited reasoning capacity, gross ego inflation and substance addicted.

I suppose he exhibits all the qualities necessary for leadership of the looney right."


SoftBonds commented: "Heck, he has all the qualities they admire!!!"

Does this answer the question in the OP? Do ordinary right wingers in the US actually admire such despicable qualities? Are they so insecure that they require reassurance from such a dubious source?




Owner59 -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/2/2012 9:19:47 PM)

Exactly....rush and this cocksucker say the things cons would like to say but can`t**, in polite company.


** are to afraid.

Listen to the crybaby victim rant......




SorceressJ -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/2/2012 9:37:40 PM)

*LOVING tweak's quote in italics up there, srsly. Truer words have rarely been spoken, especially in P&R..*




thishereboi -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/3/2012 5:45:01 AM)

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Do ordinary right wingers in the US actually admire such despicable qualities? Are they so insecure that they require reassurance from such a dubious source?


no and no




Hillwilliam -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/3/2012 5:49:29 AM)


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

quote:

Do ordinary right wingers in the US actually admire such despicable qualities? Are they so insecure that they require reassurance from such a dubious source?


no and no

Serious question, boi. Would you consider yourself a Right Winger or a Conservative?




Owner59 -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/3/2012 7:02:29 AM)


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

quote:

Do ordinary right wingers in the US actually admire such despicable qualities? Are they so insecure that they require reassurance from such a dubious source?


no and no

Lie and lie........considering all the defending you`ve done of rush.......




DomKen -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/3/2012 7:10:08 AM)


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

Hi, DC.

First off, this young woman is entitled all the same protections and respect for her character that Joe the Plumber got a few years back. Tough shit, to anybody who didn't whine when the bar got lowered to where it is, and doesn't like it now. Tougher shit to those who joined that party, and will now shriek and wail on her behalf, this time.

You've got to be kidding.

How precisely was fact checking Sam Wurzelbacher's untrue claims, he was not a plumber and was not in a position to buy the company that employed him, equivalent to calling a law school student a "slut?"




kalikshama -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/3/2012 7:14:28 AM)

Dear Members of the Georgetown Community:

There is a legitimate question of public policy before our nation today. In the effort to address the problem of the nearly fifty million Americans who lack health insurance, our lawmakers enacted legislation that seeks to increase access to health care. In recent weeks, a question regarding the breadth of services that will be covered has focused significant public attention on the issue of contraceptive coverage. Many, including the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, have offered important perspectives on this issue.

In recent days, a law student of Georgetown, Sandra Fluke, offered her testimony regarding the proposed regulations by the Department of Health and Human Services before a group of members of Congress. She was respectful, sincere, and spoke with conviction. She provided a model of civil discourse. This expression of conscience was in the tradition of the deepest values we share as a people. One need not agree with her substantive position to support her right to respectful free expression. And yet, some of those who disagreed with her position – including Rush Limbaugh and commentators throughout the blogosphere and in various other media channels – responded with behavior that can only be described as misogynistic, vitriolic, and a misrepresentation of the position of our student.

In our vibrant and diverse society, there always are important differences that need to be debated, with strong and legitimate beliefs held on all sides of challenging issues. The greatest contribution of the American project is the recognition that together, we can rely on civil discourse to engage the tensions that characterize these difficult issues, and work towards resolutions that balance deeply held and different perspectives. We have learned through painful experience that we must respect one another and we acknowledge that the best way to confront our differences is through constructive public debate. At times, the exercise of one person’s freedom may conflict with another’s. As Americans, we accept that the only answer to our differences is further engagement.

In an earlier time, St. Augustine captured the sense of what is required in civil discourse: "Let us, on both sides, lay aside all arrogance. Let us not, on either side, claim that we have already discovered the truth. Let us seek it together as something which is known to neither of us. For then only may we seek it, lovingly and tranquilly, if there be no bold presumption that it is already discovered and possessed."

If we, instead, allow coarseness, anger – even hatred – to stand for civil discourse in America, we violate the sacred trust that has been handed down through the generations beginning with our Founders. The values that hold us together as a people require nothing less than eternal vigilance. This is our moment to stand for the values of civility in our engagement with one another.

Sincerely,

John J. DeGioia
President
Georgetown University




kalikshama -> RE: The Voice of American Conservatism? (3/3/2012 7:20:05 AM)

GOP - Special Victims Unit




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