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RE: Single Parenthood = Child Abuse? - 3/3/2012 10:52:11 AM   
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Well, even more hands, presumably make even lighter work....!

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RE: Single Parenthood = Child Abuse? - 3/3/2012 11:04:14 AM   
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Do you guys need to be perverts 24/7 ?
(smacks himself in the head while reminding himself where the hell he is)

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RE: Single Parenthood = Child Abuse? - 3/3/2012 11:07:45 AM   
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Do you guys need to be perverts 24/7 ?
(smacks himself in the head while reminding himself where the hell he is)


YES!!!

Edit, actually, when I am sleeping, and not having perverted dreams, and a woman isn't touching or mouthing my body, and I don't have a hand wrapped around a breast while sleeping, I am not being a pervert. It isn't 24/7, it is, like, 22/7 or so...

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RE: Single Parenthood = Child Abuse? - 3/3/2012 11:12:01 AM   
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Question.....


Is this a case of republicans all getting more and more extreme and whacked out or has it always been this bad and we`ve just gotten better at with detecting it?


I'm voting for the former. Lincoln was a Republican, after all.

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RE: Single Parenthood = Child Abuse? - 3/3/2012 11:46:58 AM   
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Do you guys need to be perverts 24/7 ?
(smacks himself in the head while reminding himself where the hell he is)


YES!!!

Edit, actually, when I am sleeping, and not having perverted dreams, and a woman isn't touching or mouthing my body, and I don't have a hand wrapped around a breast while sleeping, I am not being a pervert. It isn't 24/7, it is, like, 22/7 or so...

I iz a pervert too..

When i was with my ex i would jump on him in the middle of the night,.. he would wake up and throw me off!!!


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RE: Single Parenthood = Child Abuse? - 3/3/2012 2:37:18 PM   
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Sheeesh,and I think of the nights I go to sleep holding a fucking pillow......lol

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RE: Single Parenthood = Child Abuse? - 3/3/2012 3:17:10 PM   
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I don't think so. My best Psychology prof, (My major, not an 'elective') made very clear that by most criteria, kids of opposite sex single parents had more 'issues'. Kids from same sex single parent as the child had about the same issues as conventional two parent kids. The most telling stat was about twice the commitment rate to some mental health program during adulthood for kids raised by opposite sex single parents as the rate of commitment of two parent family kids. Lack of a same sex role model in the home is the usual interpretation of why more kids have development problems in those homes. The issues were clear over large groups, individual families of Every description have great kids, average ones and seriously mal-adjusted ones, often all in the same family. Recent studies show the child's emotional and social development (Certainly not intelligence!) are the accurate predictors of success by every metric and those kids come from all backgrounds. Some is luck, some is commitment of time and energy sharing life by whomever is around when the kids grow up, parents are just there more often to blame, everyone contributes, or doesn't. The just published study of kids using social media and how it affects or enables their growth and adjustment only backs up the previous work. Internet interaction is less real and more 'Happy' no matter what the people feel. Kids that lack experience in real life off the 'net do poorly. Being on virtual com (texting, Facebook, twitter, 'chat') is not a handicap if there is also considerable face-to-face engagement with friends and family/community. All of this is several quantum leaps above the level of analysis our Wisconsin loon is operating at. Maybe someone needs to give him 3 kids to support and the usual welfare check and food stamps to do it on. He sure needs some sort of reality check.

At to the ludicrous law, I don't see any sitting appeals court not slamming this back down the esteemed legislator's throat. No telling what any one judge may do. There is far more evidence smoking is child abuse and something to legislate about as it is voluntary behavior, single parenthood is situational and not in the control of either the parents or the State. But I don't see that sort of logic stopping maroons like our legislator from trying to criminalize poverty or homelessness. Which they spend the rest of their time trying to create.


Well, I only minored in psychology (It was really useful for my major) but that was after three years of psychology as an elective in HS. Still, I hope you'll find these sources as credible as I do:

Census Bureau (Sorry about the .pdf)

Gordon Berlin (MDRC) Testimony to Congressional Committee

The Future Of Children Princeton/Brookings Institute (Sorry. Another .pdf)

There's a ton out there. I'm not going to do all the research, Suffice it to say that my claim that there are a large number of studies that show that children have more advantages in two-parent households is accurate.

That is not to say that I agree with this bill. I was mentioning this as a means of supporting my statement that I thought this was a pendulum issue and a matter of people being reactionary.

I find it interesting that after the traditional, two-parent (both biological) married (stable) and two-parent (one biological) re-married (stable) living environments, children seem to better in two parent lesbian families. For some reason, I wouldn't have thought that. I guess I assumed other children would tease such children mercilessly but, I grew up in a different time.



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RE: Single Parenthood = Child Abuse? - 3/3/2012 4:27:53 PM   
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I find it interesting that after the traditional, two-parent (both biological) married (stable) and two-parent (one biological) re-married (stable) living environments, children seem to better in two parent lesbian families. For some reason, I wouldn't have thought that. I guess I assumed other children would tease such children mercilessly but, I grew up in a different time.

The belief that married couples provide the safest situation for kids is both right and wrong.. two parent both biological couples are the safest but two parent one biological remarried or co-habiting are the most unsafe.. Imo, a single unremarried and non-cohabiting parent is safer for kids than the single parent remarrying or co-habiting..

So while studies tend to show (generally) that kids do better in school, etc with married parents (both biological and step families) as you have said, this law is supposed to be about child abuse, which means some married parent situations (step parent) are actually the most dangerous.. (btw, I am not picking on you, just pointing out how this law doesnt make sense on so many levels)

"Studies have found that not biologically related parents (like stepparents) are up to a hundred times more likely to kill a child than biological parents.
More generally, stepchildren have a much higher risk of being abused which is sometimes referred to as the Cinderella effect."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_abuse#Causes

"The Cinderella effect is a term used by psychologists to describe the high incidence of stepchildren being physically abused, emotionally abused, sexually abused, neglected, murdered, or otherwise mistreated at the hands of their stepparents at significantly higher rates than at the hands of their genetic parents."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinderella_effect

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RE: Single Parenthood = Child Abuse? - 3/3/2012 4:37:55 PM   
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holding a fucking pillow.


Is that some sort of euphemism ?

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RE: Single Parenthood = Child Abuse? - 3/3/2012 4:42:54 PM   
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Wow just wow seems to have covered all the angle. I would suggest most single parents would rather be married. My brothers wife pissed off and left him to raise three kids. None of that was his "chioce". all three kids are employed and in steady relationships, my neice gets married in four weeks time.

His ex has now been divorced three times and her seven kids all live with their dads.

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RE: Single Parenthood = Child Abuse? - 3/3/2012 4:45:07 PM   
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Wow just wow seems to have covered all the angle. I would suggest most single parents would rather be married. My brothers wife pissed off and left him to raise three kids. None of that was his "chioce". all three kids are employed and in steady relationships, my neice gets married in four weeks time.

His ex has now been divorced three times and her seven kids all live with their dads.

Most "single parents" weren't married to my ex....just sayin
How are things over there Polite ? You doing okay ?

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RE: Single Parenthood = Child Abuse? - 3/3/2012 4:46:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53


quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

holding a fucking pillow.


Is that some sort of euphemism ?


quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53


quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

holding a fucking pillow.


Is that some sort of euphemism ?

No it's a fucking complaint,I know you guys don't really speak english...but come on guy work with me....lol

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RE: Single Parenthood = Child Abuse? - 3/3/2012 4:54:41 PM   
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Wow just wow seems to have covered all the angle. I would suggest most single parents would rather be married. My brothers wife pissed off and left him to raise three kids. None of that was his "chioce". all three kids are employed and in steady relationships, my neice gets married in four weeks time.

His ex has now been divorced three times and her seven kids all live with their dads.

You are in the UK.. its a different society..

"A new BBC documentary has investigated why the US, one of the most prosperous nations on earth, has the worst child abuse record in the industrialised world. America's child maltreatment death rate is triple Canada's and 11 times that of Italy. Over the past decade, more than 20,000 American children have been killed their own family members – that is nearly four times the number of US soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/oct/24/america-child-abuse-epidemic

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-15193530

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RE: Single Parenthood = Child Abuse? - 3/3/2012 5:01:16 PM   
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Being legally married by combination of local ordinance and doctrine does not always fix things, nor a solid relationship make. I would suggest that SOME single parents might rather be married, IF the right person were there to say yes to it, and only then.. and maybe sometimes not even then. What is in the mind and heart are what matters, and what makes things better (or worse, as it were), not some judge or minister's dictations.

Signed, a now-happily married person who was a single parent (of sons) in her youth and did just fine, thanks.

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RE: Single Parenthood = Child Abuse? - 3/3/2012 5:14:46 PM   
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Mike.....I`m doing fine thanks, I hope all is well over there. (Hated seeing all the stuff about the Tornados)

TJ........Dont be fooled, many here seem to idolise everything American.

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RE: Single Parenthood = Child Abuse? - 3/3/2012 5:20:46 PM   
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Mike.....I`m doing fine thanks, I hope all is well over there. (Hated seeing all the stuff about the Tornados)

TJ........Dont be fooled, many here seem to idolise everything American.

Thread in off-topic about the twisters.

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RE: Single Parenthood = Child Abuse? - 3/3/2012 5:27:31 PM   
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Here's the actual bill.


Thanks.

I read the bill and I have read the other responses to this thread.

I am not sure what child abuse cases have been in Wisconsin lately, but if I had to take a stab at why they are amending this, is because of domestic violence and live-in boyfriends.

I know that there have been cases where a child has died from shaken baby syndrome (or shaken child syndrome) due to the boyfriend. The boyfriend often showed his violent tendencies in other ways.

Do you know of some recent child death cases in Wisconsin?

This amend process effects the prevention board, not single parents. There is no criminalizing element. It is a prevention thing, which screams POSTERS to me.




**Yes, girlfriends should probably be included, but I cannot bring to mind any cases if that. I am sure that it has and will happen.

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RE: Single Parenthood = Child Abuse? - 3/3/2012 5:34:11 PM   
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He is not wrong... statistics back him up IF... he had said they are at a higher risk of neglect and abuse with a single parent…That would be correct.

http://www.childwelfare.gov/pubs/usermanuals/foundation/foundatione.cfm

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RE: Single Parenthood = Child Abuse? - 3/3/2012 5:34:23 PM   
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Mike.....I`m doing fine thanks, I hope all is well over there. (Hated seeing all the stuff about the Tornados)

TJ........Dont be fooled, many here seem to idolise everything American.

Yes, that happens in many countries but the UK is still different society.. very different in many respects, just as Canada is..

And living here for a while myself, I see the differences much more than when I was looking in from outside.. lets just say I knew when i came here there were problems but living here has been an eyeopener.. and I dont intend to stay here.. everything i am doing right now is based on leaving the US in a year or two.. and should i have a US boyfriend in the future, he will come with me..



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RE: Single Parenthood = Child Abuse? - 3/3/2012 6:46:26 PM   
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According to Lisa Subeck, a program manager and family advocate at Wisconsin's Dane County Parent Council Head Start, Grothman's bill was written to dictate personal choices rather than to help prevent child abuse. Says Subeck, "Sen. Grothman is inserting government into what should be a very personal decision."

That sounds about right.

And here I thought it was the GOP that was dedicated to keeping government out of our private lives.

My bad.

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