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RE: Food Stamp Recipients = Animals? - 3/4/2012 9:02:23 AM   
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I'm sorry, but I have better things to do with my time than search the internet in order to make someone else look like an asshole. If you honestly believe that everyone on the right is bad and everyone on the left is good, then why would I waste my time trying to show you differently.


No...like I've said on several threads, I'm wondering if a media bias would explain why I only hear about this sort of inanity from Republicans.


Personally, someone who is too lazy to do more than snark is someone I put into the file of "consider the source".

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RE: Food Stamp Recipients = Animals? - 3/5/2012 2:40:18 AM   
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Michele Bachmann Says If You Are Unemployed, You Should Starve
November 8, 2011
Yesterday morning during a speech at the Family Research Council in Washington, Michele Bachmann bashed the unemployed in perhaps the most heartless way possible. After vowing to weaken social safety net programs such as Social Security, Medicare, food stamps, and unemployment benefits, Bachmann said that if you are currently not working, you should not be eating.
“Our nation needs to stop doing for people what they can and should do for themselves. Self reliance means, if anyone will not work, neither should he eat.”
Bachmann is saying that the unemployed should starve themselves and their families since they are out of work through no fault of their own. She might as well have added that the unemployed shouldn’t be allowed to have clothes or a roof over their head. This statement by Bachmann shows how much the Republican Party loathes the unemployed. They have zero compassion for anyone or anything. Even Jesus fed the needy. These Republicans have no Christian values at all, nor do they have humanity.


You are not allowed to twist context and meanings.

At no point in time did Bachmann say that the unemployed should not eat. If you list yourself as "unemployed," that means you are looking for work and have not yet found it. But, those aren't the people who Bachmann was talking about. The phrase. "will not work," is not equivalent to "can not find work."

So, if you are choosing to not work, when you are capable, why should we be responsible for feeding you?

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RE: Food Stamp Recipients = Animals? - 3/5/2012 4:03:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		You need to reread the statement. Bachmann clearly said "if you are currently not working, neither should you be eating"



You are not allowed to twist content and meanings.

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RE: Food Stamp Recipients = Animals? - 3/5/2012 5:42:25 AM   
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I'm sorry, but I have better things to do with my time than search the internet in order to make someone else look like an asshole. If you honestly believe that everyone on the right is bad and everyone on the left is good, then why would I waste my time trying to show you differently.


No...like I've said on several threads, I'm wondering if a media bias would explain why I only hear about this sort of inanity from Republicans.



Could be. Living outside Detroit, I have been hearing about asshole democrats for most of my life. The city draws crooks and liars like some kind of magnet.

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RE: Food Stamp Recipients = Animals? - 3/5/2012 5:56:51 AM   
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You need to reread the statement. Bachmann clearly said "if you are currently not working, neither should you be eating"



You are not allowed to twist content and meanings.


Actually, looking at the quote, that's not what she said either. Her statement clearly specified willingness to work.

"Self reliance means, if anyone will not work, neither should he eat."

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RE: Food Stamp Recipients = Animals? - 3/5/2012 6:30:43 AM   
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I'm sorry, but I have better things to do with my time than search the internet in order to make someone else look like an asshole. If you honestly believe that everyone on the right is bad and everyone on the left is good, then why would I waste my time trying to show you differently.


No...like I've said on several threads, I'm wondering if a media bias would explain why I only hear about this sort of inanity from Republicans.


Personally, someone who is too lazy to do more than snark is someone I put into the file of "consider the source".



I don't judge the value of the post by the amount of time someone spends online. I know way to many people who spend hours on here and say nothing.

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RE: Food Stamp Recipients = Animals? - 3/5/2012 7:02:12 AM   
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RE: Food Stamp Recipients = Animals? - 3/5/2012 8:53:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		A bit of a reach calling them animals and her analogy does match the feelings of many conservatives in this country.

I see nothing wrong with feeling the free distribution of food stamps may be abused by some and people may become dependant on the benefit.

It would be nice if people were more straight forward and not try to be so cute…it just gets them in trouble.

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RE: Food Stamp Recipients = Animals? - 3/5/2012 11:34:11 AM   
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Status: offline 		It'd also be nice if all of the unskilled manufacturing jobs that used to feed the underclass hadn't all been outsourced to China.

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RE: Food Stamp Recipients = Animals? - 3/5/2012 12:10:10 PM   
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Minnesota legislator Mary Franson issued a video message that included the following "funny little clip" from a friend:

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Isn't it ironic that the food stamp program, part of the Department of Agriculture, is pleased to be distributing the greatest amount of food stamps ever.

Meanwhile, the Park Service, also part of the Department of Agriculture, asks us to please not feed the animals, because the animals may grow dependent and not learn to take care of themselves.


Source: Daily Kos

Really, what are they putting in midwestern water these days?

Any guesses as to her party affiliation?

Independent ?


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Mary Franson


Oh please. Do you honestly think anyone cares what an independent says? She has to be a repub or the thread wouldn't be here.

Boi,have you ever heard of ....sarcasm ?

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RE: Food Stamp Recipients = Animals? - 3/5/2012 2:13:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		The remark (do not feed animals) is actually directed towards the government program, not blaming the recipients. Food stamp program has been fastest growing program since 2009. In case the government would shut it down the consequences (food riots) would be difficult to handle. Still, my advice for the recipients is: do not get comfortable and think it will be part of your budget forever. People who would starve to death without the program should just grow their own food. Michelle Obama gives a great example how to do it. She is not working, she has two young children, her husband gives her no money for food. So, she starts the vegetable garden. She has no land, she just uses public owned land for it. Everybody can do the same.

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RE: Food Stamp Recipients = Animals? - 3/5/2012 5:22:09 PM   
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unskilled manufacturing jobs


No such thing...all jobs require a skill of one kind or another to be good at something. But I sure do agree with you...remember I am an economic isolationist.

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RE: Food Stamp Recipients = Animals? - 3/5/2012 11:51:32 PM   
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unskilled manufacturing jobs

No such thing...all jobs require a skill of one kind or another to be good at something. But I sure do agree with you...remember I am an economic isolationist.


After last week I can think of one clearly unskilled "manufacturing job" Scriptwriter on the Rush Limbaugh Show

I'd add Fact Checker, but they only manufacture theirs about 3/4s of the time.


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RE: Food Stamp Recipients = Animals? - 3/5/2012 11:52:56 PM   
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Boi,have you ever heard of ....sarcasm ?


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RE: Food Stamp Recipients = Animals? - 3/6/2012 6:19:56 AM   
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I'll take "no" for $500 Mike





Wow, you have never heard of sarcasm....that certainly explains a lot of your posts.

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RE: Food Stamp Recipients = Animals? - 3/6/2012 6:58:54 AM   
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People who would starve to death without the program should just grow their own food. Michelle Obama gives a great example how to do it. She is not working, she has two young children, her husband gives her no money for food. So, she starts the vegetable garden. She has no land, she just uses public owned land for it. Everybody can do the same.


I know that righties think that their view of the world is about 'hard-headed realism' rather than the idealism of the lefties - but the assumptions behind this sort of sentiment beggar belief. Why do people assume that those who are starving will just put up with it? Disraeli, more than a century ago, realised that when people get too poor, they'll stop playing within society's rules. That is just how things *are*.

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RE: Food Stamp Recipients = Animals? - 3/6/2012 7:06:04 AM   
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No such thing...all jobs require a skill of one kind or another to be good at something. But I sure do agree with you...remember I am an economic isolationist.

There's plenty of unskilled jobs. You've obviously never worked on an assembly line.

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RE: Food Stamp Recipients = Animals? - 3/6/2012 7:17:34 AM   
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You need to reread the statement. Bachmann clearly said "if you are currently not working, neither should you be eating"



You are not allowed to twist content and meanings.


Actually, looking at the quote, that's not what she said either. Her statement clearly specified willingness to work.

"Self reliance means, if anyone will not work, neither should he eat."


And you are splitting some might small hairs. We all know the context of what she meant.

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RE: Food Stamp Recipients = Animals? - 3/6/2012 7:34:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		Actually, there are lots of animals that will help other animals within their species (not just their own children) when resources are scarce. There are also animals, like prides of lions, that hunt for the group as a whole. Think about bees and ants - highly evolved insect species where they have a strong sense of community. There is research on altruistic behavior in animal species. Within a species, animals are HIGHLY interdependent on each other for survival. So comparing humans to animals is not actually a bad thing. But Franson just has the analogy wrong. Human beings are all the same species. And we help each other. Really no different from any other intraspecies interaction. What Franson is referring to is an entirely different species (humans) helping a different species (park animal) that creates a dependency that is not naturally occurring. For the record, there are interspecies dependencies (the food chain, parasites, and symbiotic relationships). It's just that those interspecies dependencies that naturally occur do NOT include humans actively helping animals that are in the wild.

If we are really thinking of the animal world, the concept of food stamps is already alive and well and species like lions, ants, bees are already totally on board.

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RE: Food Stamp Recipients = Animals? - 3/6/2012 7:42:02 AM   
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People who would starve to death without the program should just grow their own food. Michelle Obama gives a great example how to do it. She is not working, she has two young children, her husband gives her no money for food. So, she starts the vegetable garden. She has no land, she just uses public owned land for it. Everybody can do the same.


I know that righties think that their view of the world is about 'hard-headed realism' rather than the idealism of the lefties - but the assumptions behind this sort of sentiment beggar belief. Why do people assume that those who are starving will just put up with it? Disraeli, more than a century ago, realised that when people get too poor, they'll stop playing within society's rules. That is just how things *are*.


Yes correct. Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette and the French Revolution, anyone? Nicholas and Alexandra and the Russian Revolution, anyone? I love how people conveniently forget history.

When the ruling class ignores poverty and truly leaves people to starve - bad things always happen. Starving people who have limited means of self-survival will do what they have to do. (How is someone who doesn't own land supposed to farm?? You can't take over public land to farm for personal gain - it's illegal.)


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