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Since maarijuana is not a food crop the mbuti are in fact exclusively hunter/gatherers.
It would appear that your time at university was not well spent.

The growing of any crop still constitutes farming,


Please validate

and it is a substance that has numerous uses. Ancient hunter-gatherer societies exclusively relied on hunting and gathering.

cite please

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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When you start validating your opinions I will stop asking you to validate your opinions.

Yet another misrepresentation of what you do. You frequently respond to myself and others with a "thats like YOUR opinion" response by way of dismissal. It is not an innocent request to validate opinions.

If you cannot validate your opinion it remains opinion.
The fact that you cannot speaks directly to your credibility.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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I asked you for a link NOT an isbn number for a book which you know very well none would bother wasting time to track down.

You seek to engage me in discussion but refuse to educate yourself with the specifics of the discussion...why???

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There are numerous archaeological/anthropological resources online so it should be extremely easy to cite and link a source that clearly states the Mbuti are pre-Stone Age. They are not pre-Stone Age. The last pre-Stone Age creatures to which there may have been a link in human evolution were the Australopithecines http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australopithecine who were effectively apes that evolved into the homo species about three million years ago. I suggest you make some effort to understand the basics on a given topic before pronouncing on it like a professor.

I would suggest that you fail to understand the difference between "the stone age" and a pre stone age culture.
The professor has spoken... so please go do your homework and your reading assignment before any more of your post fill this discussion board with ignorance.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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Since maarijuana is not a food crop the mbuti are in fact exclusively hunter/gatherers.
It would appear that your time at university was not well spent.
The growing of any crop still constitutes farming,

Please validate

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and it is a substance that has numerous uses. Ancient hunter-gatherer societies exclusively relied on hunting and gathering.
cite please

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The marijuana plant has many uses. Its stiff, fibrous stalk can be used to make lots of products, from food to ship sails. The stalk is comprised of two parts -- the hurd and the bast. The bast provides fibers that can be woven into many fabrics. These fibers (also called hemp) are woven to create canvas, which has been used to make ship sails for centuries.

The hurd provides pulp to make paper, oil to make paints and varnishes, and seed for food. Marijuana plants produce a high-protein, high-carbohydrate seed that is used in granola and cereals. Hemp oil and seed contain only trace amounts of psychoactive chemicals.

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Hunting and gathering was the ancestral subsistence mode of Homo, and all modern humans were hunter-gatherers until around 10,000 years ago.

Only a few contemporary societies are classified as hunter-gatherers, and many supplement, sometimes extensively, their foraging activity with farming and/or keeping animals.

…the "pure hunter-gatherer" disappeared not long after colonial (or even agricultural) contact began, nothing meaningful can be learned about prehistoric hunter-gatherers from studies of modern ones (Kelly,[26] 24-29; see Wilmsen[27])

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
Collin turnbull is the primary source. His book the forrest people which I even gave you the isbn.

BTW I wondered why I hadn't heard of Colin Turnbull. He is hardly a source par excellence for you to cite, and it explains why you have such a romanticised view of the Mbuti:

I have no romanticised view of anyone. What on earth would give you that idea?

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Turnbull was an unconventional scholar who rejected neutrality. He idealized the BaMbuti and reviled the Ik, and described the latter as lacking any sense of altruism, in that they force their children out of their homes at the age of three, and gorge on whatever occasional excesses of food they might find until they became sick, rather than save or share. However, several anthropologists have since argued that a particularly serious famine suffered by the Ik during the period of Turnbull's visit may have distorted their normal behavior and customs, and some passages in his book make it clear that the behavior and customs of the Ik during the period he describes were drastically different from what was normal for them before they were uprooted from their original way of life.

Bernd Heine quite thoroughly refutes Turnbull's evaluation of the Ik in a 1985 article in Africa, The Mountain People: Some Notes on the Ik of North-Eastern Uganda.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Turnbull

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His is a peer review of turnbull's work. Have you read the peer reviews of heine's work?
Have you read turnbull's work?
Have you read heine's total review.?
I have and if you would like to discuss it we can do it here or in a seperate thread.
But:
Since you would need to read turnbull's work for heine's work to be interpreted properly it is unlikely that you would do so since you have already stated that if it is not in a link to something on the net you are incapable of being troubled to actually read a book about the subject which you wish to argue about.
Note I said argue because so far you have shown no interest in discussion.

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
I asked you for a link NOT an ISBN number which you know very well that few would bother taking the time to track down.

No, you asked for a link to a creditable source.
Collin turnbull is the primary source. His book the forrest people which I even gave you the isbn. If you cannot trouble yourself to consult the primary source then why are you in this discussion?

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Now you are trying to be clever by playing with words. I did not say link me to a credible source. I stated:

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
You are the one who made the claim so you provide a link to a reputable source that states Mbuti are a pre-Stone Age society. Good luck finding one...

"providing a link to a reputable source" can only mean one thing especially on an internet forum.

Once again that is your opinion.
If facts,for you, only exist on the net then those of us who know how to use a library will always be at an advantage in intellectual discussion with those who limit themselves so.

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
You are the one who made the claim so you provide a link to a reputable source that states Mbuti are a pre-Stone Age society. Good luck finding one...

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It would be all too easy for you to wiggle out of this by saying seek out a book. What a joke. Post up a link to verify your assertion and I will read it.

This from someone who will not read a book

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It would be extremely easy for you to justify your assertion that either pre-Stone Age people exist today as they would constitute a classification or that the Mbuti are pre-Stone Age. Either that or scan in the relevant section or page of the book and post it up on the forum.

I am not interested in holding your hand and leading you from point a to point b. If you are not an adult and capable of finding a book and reading it then I can be of no help to you.

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

I cannot be wrong about what you choose to see because you have posted what you choose to see.

Wrong. What I've posted is the conclusions that arose from what I see.

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When you wish to have a serious discussion please come back.

Says the person whose response was "You're wrong" with no substance; just an ad hominem logical fallacy.

Go back and read what you wrote.
When you are interested in serious discucssion please come back.
If you are only interested in telling us how big your dick is I am one of those who is not interested.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Whoa... new poster alert!

Honey, not many here are going to buy what you are selling. The unemployment rate is 15%. You do the math. But climb down off the high horse. Not everyone getting benefits at this point and time are unskilled or stupid. Honestly, the stereotypes people like you come up with is something else.

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Hey you know what Ronald Reagan said, "Capitalism is the cruelest system in the world except for all the others."

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Sure, some people go through some discomfort in the bust cycles but let's face it, the people who saved their money and worked hard are going to weather the current cycle just fine.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I smell socks, or a comedian
I havent decided yet

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Now an ad hominem and a strawman. The fallacies are multiplying. :p

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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What do the Mbuti have to do with food stamps?

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They do not get them nor need them. They help one another instead of trying to see how much money they can acquire.

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ORIGINAL: JulianVanPatten

Woah when did people become so sensitive? This gal was making an analogy to illustrate a serious point about the dangers of the disadvantaged becoming dependent on the government and using a little levity in order to do so. Maybe if everybody getting upset about this would volunteer a little time to teach a poor person some marketable skills instead of being self-righteous and ineffectual American society would start to get up to speed and ready to compete in the global marketplace where we seem to be getting our butts kicked by the Asians!

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ORIGINAL: JulianVanPatten

Hey you know what Ronald Reagan said,