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ORIGINAL: DaddySatyr

I get it, now. Governor Romney should apologize for being a Republican to Ms. Fluke ?

I completely understand.

I'm going to go over to that other lifestyle website, call someone an asshat, and when they demand an apology, I'll send them to you to apologize for being a member of CM.

I know what you're saying but I can't follow the logic.

Gov. Romney is doing exactly what he should do; treating Rush Limbaugh as if he is un-important.

Now, let's look at the other side of the coin:

What are the chances that Gov. Romney calls a liberal activist to "have a chat" to ask after her because of her harrowing experience (someone call her names that not nice "out loud words") and that she actually takes the call? Boy! That would certainly embarrass the crap out of him, wouldn't it? You think it's a high percentage phone call for him to make?

There's an expression in football: "When you put the ball in the air, three possibilities can happen and two of 'em ain't good". How many different ways would there be for Gov. Romney to "lose" making that phone call and how many ways are there to win?

Well, I'll give you the one "win" scenario: He calls, they have a nice little chat and she acknowledges and thanks him, publicly for calling. The only response from the left would be: "It's what he should have done, anyway" (so, not actually a "win")

I can think of at least three things that could go wrong with that call.



Peace and comfort,



Michael

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie
Someone please explain to me why Romney needs to speak for or against Limp Bowel, why I need to speak for or against anyone on the planet or why you need to speak for or against anything I say or do?

WTF has Romney got to do with Limp Bowel?

Seriously....is Romney (Perot/Bush/Ron Paul/Gingrich/Kaptain Kangaroo, etc.) responsible for anything ANYONE else says?

And if they/you or I don't say "that guy's a piece of shit"....does that change what (they/you or I) stand for or believe?

(WTF?????)

Why aren't you asking why Romney (or Paul/Gingrich/Santorum.....ad infinitum) doesn't denounce Putin's election, Achmanidijad (or whatever the fuck his name is) for whatever he said today that was beyond baseless and stupid, why doesn't Romney sound off on the asshole on I-90 on the toll road on Tuesday who flicked his beer can out his window at 3:39 p.m. senselessly, or the dumb shit that hasn't fixed his brakes and is ABOUT to kill someone on I-70 in the Midwest.....

Isn't that Romney's responsibility to denounce as well?

Romney should SAY something about this!!!!!

GET OVER IT.

(Please).

President Obama called Fluke personally to apologize for the way she was vilified and to ask her if she was okay. He expressed to her that she and her parents should feel proud that as an American she testified before the Congressional hearing and voiced her feelings about the topic of contraception coverage and about the importance of civic participation in a democracy.

Doesn't the Republican candidate's relative silence on the whole thing speak volumes about how he views the Congressional hearing process and how he views women? It does to me. If a presidential candidate cannot defend someone who was participating as a citizen and testifying before a Congressional hearing then they really have no respect for the American constitution and the democratic process. Putin, I-90?? People are asking him to stand up for a woman, an American woman, who was publicly vilified for participating in a public process that is part of our Constitutional democracy. Don't we want a leader who is a defender of our Constitution?

And given what the President already did, by reaching out to Fluke, it makes Romney look even worse as a potential opponent. The President played a very cool hand here - and it makes him look great - defender of the Constitution, defender of democracy, defender of women, defender of daughters, defender of parents of daughters. And Romney. It made him look like the Religious Right have him in their pocket.

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I would say people on the fence leaning towards Romney would be satisfied with his reasonable response.

Those leaning towards the Democrats would as well and could not care less about this tempest in a tea pot.

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Romney could certainly have condemned the misogyny and personal attack without agreeing with Fluke on the merits of the issue

He could...but to what advantage?
For starters, half the voters are women...

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President Obama called Fluke personally to apologize for the way she was vilified and to ask her if she was okay.

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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

FR

For those who feel Romney need not say anything. Fine.

In the fall when people start asking him questions like "Do you support the Congressional hearing process"? "Do you support a citizen's right to testify before a hearing?" "Do you support a democratic public debate about issues" Romney is going to look a tad foolish.

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie

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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie
Someone please explain to me why Romney needs to speak for or against Limp Bowel, why I need to speak for or against anyone on the planet or why you need to speak for or against anything I say or do?

WTF has Romney got to do with Limp Bowel?

Seriously....is Romney (Perot/Bush/Ron Paul/Gingrich/Kaptain Kangaroo, etc.) responsible for anything ANYONE else says?

And if they/you or I don't say "that guy's a piece of shit"....does that change what (they/you or I) stand for or believe?

(WTF?????)

Why aren't you asking why Romney (or Paul/Gingrich/Santorum.....ad infinitum) doesn't denounce Putin's election, Achmanidijad (or whatever the fuck his name is) for whatever he said today that was beyond baseless and stupid, why doesn't Romney sound off on the asshole on I-90 on the toll road on Tuesday who flicked his beer can out his window at 3:39 p.m. senselessly, or the dumb shit that hasn't fixed his brakes and is ABOUT to kill someone on I-70 in the Midwest.....

Isn't that Romney's responsibility to denounce as well?

Romney should SAY something about this!!!!!

GET OVER IT.

(Please).

President Obama called Fluke personally to apologize for the way she was vilified and to ask her if she was okay. He expressed to her that she and her parents should feel proud that as an American she testified before the Congressional hearing and voiced her feelings about the topic of contraception coverage and about the importance of civic participation in a democracy.

Doesn't the Republican candidate's relative silence on the whole thing speak volumes about how he views the Congressional hearing process and how he views women? It does to me. If a presidential candidate cannot defend someone who was participating as a citizen and testifying before a Congressional hearing then they really have no respect for the American constitution and the democratic process. Putin, I-90?? People are asking him to stand up for a woman, an American woman, who was publicly vilified for participating in a public process that is part of our Constitutional democracy. Don't we want a leader who is a defender of our Constitution?

And given what the President already did, by reaching out to Fluke, it makes Romney look even worse as a potential opponent. The President played a very cool hand here - and it makes him look great - defender of the Constitution, defender of democracy, defender of women, defender of daughters, defender of parents of daughters. And Romney. It made him look like the Religious Right have him in their pocket.

About as much as yours or mine.

I'll call her tomorrow and tell her that because I'm a Republican, I'm ashamed of Rush.

Give me a break.

Anyone that ISN'T ashamed of Rush is an asshat.

More importantly....anyone who HASN'T been ashamed of Rush since he went on the air 25 years ago is also an asshat.

(Fuck....I hope every Republican in the country doesn't call her at the same damn time and apologize...that'll really fuck things up).

Limbaugh is a dick.

Shit smells like shit.

Does Romney (or anyone else, running or not) have to call every living person on the planet and say before they can possibly be conceived of as a rational thinking human)...."Hey....I'm calling you to tell you that shit smells like shit....just in case you weren't aware".

I presume people can think.

(I presume you can as well).

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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto
Do not forget, fucktoyprincess, that when the Jews were put in the camps, some of the Jews (believing it would save their own skins) volunteered to become members of the Kameradschaftspolizei or "Kapos". "Kapos" were known for their brutality toward other prisoners. Their brutality was tolerated and encouraged by the SS and was an integral part of the camp system.
Sadly, there are gays, lesbians, transgendered, bisexuals and just kinky straights today who would voluntarily become the next generation of "Kapos" for today's American Social Conservative Taliban, believing it would save their own skins.
History repeats itself - that's one thing wrong with history.

I have been compared to a lot of things in my life, but this is a first. And people say the democrats are such loving people. I guess they don't spend much time in this forum.

When you "love" someone, you correct them when you see they are doing wrong.

If you see someone doing wrong, particularly when doing so will eventually hurt them and others, and you say nothing - that shows that you don't "love" them.

The Book Of Proverbs, Chapter 5:

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...you mourn at last, when your flesh and your body are consumed, And say: "How I have hated instruction, And my heart despised correction! I have not inclined my ear to those who instructed me!!

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I am at more of a loss to say why someone who is gay, or a minority (except for Cuban Americans) would ever vote Republican. Maybe it is the same thing. That they view themselves as mainstream and don't feel they need to be protected from the majority? I don't know. These types of voting patterns never made sense to me.

See my post right above this one. Perhaps that will help you understand why minorities vote Republican. You still may not agree with my choice, and that is perfectly fine, but at least you may gain an understanding as to the thought process of me and people like me.

I'm really sorry, but this is like a Jew supporting the Nazis. You realize if the true conservatives had their way, your lifestyle would not be allowed. At all. All of the legal protections that you enjoy today came from liberals fighting for the cause. Take a look at how gay people are treated in conservative parts of the world. Is that really what you want to support? A back to the closet movement?...

Remember that before the Nazis rise to power, Jewish people in Germany were a successful group who were free to own property, run businesses, marry outside their faith, live where they chose to live, etc. etc. etc. All of those rights were slowly taken away. Our rights only last as long as we protect them. Rights today NEVER mean rights tomorrow if things swing in the wrong direction.

Do not forget, fucktoyprincess, that when the Jews were put in the camps, some of the Jews (believing it would save their own skins) volunteered to become members of the Kameradschaftspolizei or "Kapos". "Kapos" were known for their brutality toward other prisoners. Their brutality was tolerated and encouraged by the SS and was an integral part of the camp system.

Sadly, there are gays, lesbians, transgendered, bisexuals and just kinky straights today who would voluntarily become the next generation of "Kapos" for today's American Social Conservative Taliban, believing it would save their own skins.

History repeats itself - that's one thing wrong with history.

t

I have been compared to a lot of things in my life, but this is a first. And people say the democrats are such loving people. I guess they don't spend much time in this forum.

Well....when one defends scum......one may become associated with it.

Fact of life...

I would have used a less extreme example.......like the whites who tolerated and defended government sanctioned and socially accepted racism and discrimination.

This is the same thing,same fight,only this time around,you`re defending sexism (and anti-intellectualism).

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Maybe it wouldn't have changed dcnovice's opinion...but perhaps,just perhaps ,there might be some folks sitting on the fence.
Not sure which way they are going to go......do you think Mitt's timidity in this episode hurt or helped him ?

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

C'mon Mitt. Grow a pair. If you're going to face down the Ayatollah, you can face down Rush.

By the way, rob, who died and appointed you queen to decide when something is over?

This is a golden opportunity for Romney. He can either show he has the balls for the job and make Rush back down or he can show that he doesn't have the balls for the job.

For fucks sakes. These people want to bomb Iran but they don't have the balls to face down a 2-bit radio announcer?

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ORIGINAL: Raiikun

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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

FR

For those who feel Romney need not say anything. Fine.

In the fall when people start asking him questions like "Do you support the Congressional hearing process"? "Do you support a citizen's right to testify before a hearing?" "Do you support a democratic public debate about issues" Romney is going to look a tad foolish.

Not a Romney supporter, but I disagree. An offensive radio jockey being offensive does not particularly threaten the Congressional hearing process, a citizen's right to testify, or public debate, and neither did Romney's response.