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RE: Does Mitt Romney Have A Pair.... THIS is where we ... - 3/5/2012 5:25:13 PM   
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And Romney has distanced himself from Limpbaugh's assertions how in this case?
His statement boils down to: "I agree with the twat, but would have said it in a much more mealy mouthed way."


Moon he is against Obama's contraceptive law…so is Limpdick…Rommney said it is not the language he would use. Meaning he would not insult the woman but still disagree with her. He is true to his stance on the issue.

What else do you want from him? He has no control over limpdick and separated himself from him.

Do you expect him to say…” Because Limbaugh made a fool out of himself I will change my mind on the issue”?

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Romney could certainly have condemned the misogyny and personal attack without agreeing with Fluke on the merits of the issue.

Georgetown University (Fluke's alma mater, and mine) did precisely that in an amazingly eloquent statement.

If Romney really can't muster the strength or the words to square off with Limbaugh (a mere "entertainer," same folks folks tirelessly point out), is he the one we want facing down Iran and North Korea?

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RE: Does Mitt Romney Have A Pair.... THIS is where we ... - 3/5/2012 5:27:36 PM   
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I do not believe that the comments about people's rights is off topic for this thread.

At the heart of the contraception issue and the issue of public discourse is the importance of defending and protecting civil liberties, particularly against the encroachment of the religious right.

Those of you who want protection for your particular group (whatever that group is) should be willing to support the organizations who protect your group.

Certainly, Limbaugh and those who think like him are a reminder to me to increase my annual donation to Planned Parenthood.



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RE: Does Mitt Romney Have A Pair.... THIS is where we ... - 3/5/2012 5:29:25 PM   
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But Rush does express opinions that match the Republican party...and Romney. Please read my previous 5 or 6 posts that explain my feelings on serious politicians addressing talk radio...And I think Romney may agree with me.

You don't hear me ranting about everything Limbaugh says...I'll let public opinion determine if he is relevant or not. Politicians should not answer to entertainers and do the same.

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RE: Does Mitt Romney Have A Pair.... THIS is where we ... - 3/5/2012 5:35:06 PM   
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Romney could certainly have condemned the misogyny and personal attack without agreeing with Fluke on the merits of the issue



He could...but to what advantage? It will not change your view of him will it? He said he would not of used the same language and that is a wise move on his part and does separate him from Limbaugh. He should do exactly what he is doing... let the listening public decide if they want to listen to Limbaugh or not.

All he needs to do is state his views on the issue clearly.

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RE: Does Mitt Romney Have A Pair.... THIS is where we ... - 3/5/2012 5:40:15 PM   
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He could...but to what advantage?


He'd have shown that he could do the right thing without fear of political cost, demonstrated the ability to stand up to a bully, and provided an example of leadership (which he claims to be able to offer us).

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It will not change your view of him will it?


I admit that I'll probably never be a Romney voter, but I honestly would have respected him more if he'd spoken out instead of hiding behind some of the weasliest words I've ever heard.

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RE: Does Mitt Romney Have A Pair.... THIS is where we ... - 3/5/2012 5:45:58 PM   
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Not sure which way they are going to go......do you think Mitt's timidity in this episode hurt or helped him ?

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RE: Does Mitt Romney Have A Pair.... THIS is where we ... - 3/5/2012 5:55:05 PM   
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And Romney has distanced himself from Limpbaugh's assertions how in this case?
His statement boils down to: "I agree with the twat, but would have said it in a much more mealy mouthed way."


Moon he is against Obama's contraceptive law…so is Limpdick…Rommney said it is not the language he would use. Meaning he would not insult the woman but still disagree with her. He is true to his stance on the issue.

What else do you want from him? He has no control over limpdick and separated himself from him.

Do you expect him to say…” Because Limbaugh made a fool out of himself I will change my mind on the issue”?

Butch


Romney could certainly have condemned the misogyny and personal attack without agreeing with Fluke on the merits of the issue.

Georgetown University (Fluke's alma mater, and mine) did precisely that in an amazingly eloquent statement.

If Romney really can't muster the strength or the words to square off with Limbaugh (a mere "entertainer," same folks folks tirelessly point out), is he the one we want facing down Iran and North Korea?


Here is the thing that is so frightening to me about the American religious right and Iran. If you look at a lot of religious right thought in this country, it's not actually so far off from the theocracy that has established (entrenched?) itself in post-revolution Iran. (no sex until marriage, no contraception, no abortion, no gay rights, no welfare state, etc. - and that is just the barest surface of the similarity). Sort of gives one pause, doesn't it....modern day Iran is what happens when the religious right are allowed to get out of control....


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RE: Does Mitt Romney Have A Pair.... THIS is where we ... - 3/5/2012 6:09:25 PM   
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To whoever cares.

One of the reasons that the Republican stance on contraception, the health care provisions, and Fluke is so distressing is that it is fundamentally an attack on freedom of religion and an attack on women. Again, our rights only last as long as we try to protect them.

Does anyone think that all German Jews who were living in Germany in 1920 could have foreseen what would happen in WWII - does anyone think they imagined Aushchwitz and Dachau? Because if they had, I'm quite sure most would have gotten out when they had the chance. My point in mentioning this is that in any era we always think, "oh things are pretty good, oh things aren't that bad, things won't get worse, truly bad things could never happen here." And what has history repeatedly shown us?

Another example. Iranians in pre-revolutionary Iran - before the rise of the Islamic conservatives/fundamentalists. If you speak to people who managed to get out, many did not imagine back in the 70s that things would get so bad over the last few decades.

When we get complacent about our rights and ignore conservative movements - bad things can happen. Our protections are only ever as good as our willingness to support and defend them.

Mitt Romney should have apologized to Fluke. And his failure to do so shows how the religious right still has a stranglehold on the Republican party. Anyone who thinks we do not have to worry about the religious conservative/fundamentalist movement in this country is wrong. Anyone who thinks we do not have to worry about base prejudice against entire groups of people (like women), are wrong. Liberal ideology has come a long way in America in this century. But anyone who feels they can be complacent about past struggles now that rights have been won is not looking at history through the appropriate lens. Rights are won. And rights can be lost. Complacency is never a good thing. And Mitt Romney's reaction - well, I would have to put it in the complacent category.




Was this a typo (the name)?

If not: Governor Romney should apologize for what, exactly?



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RE: Does Mitt Romney Have A Pair.... THIS is where we ... - 3/5/2012 6:09:35 PM   
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He could...but to what advantage?


This question lodged in my head and has stayed there even after I posted my reply.

So I'm gonna indulge my admittedly annoying idealism and say that it was one of the most dispiriting things I've ever read one here. Yes, I know that politicians, of all stripes, weigh the costs and benefits of every move. But it bums me out to think that a candidate's first thought about confronting the biggest bully on the American block may well have been "What's in it for me?"

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RE: Does Mitt Romney Have A Pair.... THIS is where we ... - 3/5/2012 6:20:27 PM   
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He could...but to what advantage?


This question lodged in my head and has stayed there even after I posted my reply.

So I'm gonna indulge my admittedly annoying idealism and say that it was one of the most dispiriting things I've ever read one here. Yes, I know that politicians, of all stripes, weigh the costs and benefits of every move. But it bums me out to think that a candidate's first thought about confronting the biggest bully on the American block may well have been "What's in it for me?"

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RE: Does Mitt Romney Have A Pair.... THIS is where we ... - 3/5/2012 6:42:36 PM   
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folks sitting on the fence


I would say people on the fence leaning towards Romney would be satisfied with his reasonable response.

Those leaning towards the Democrats would as well and could not care less about this tempest in a tea pot.

Only those stanch liberals who hate anything Republican find his response unacceptable...and he could not care less about them.

But mine is only an opinion...the real telling is yet to come...watch... two weeks from now no one will even remember this silliness.

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RE: Does Mitt Romney Have A Pair.... THIS is where we ... - 3/5/2012 6:48:09 PM   
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folks sitting on the fence


I would say people on the fence leaning towards Romney would be satisfied with his reasonable response.

Those leaning towards the Democrats would as well and could not care less about this tempest in a tea pot.

Only those stanch liberals who hate anything Republican find his response unacceptable...and he could not care less about them.

But mine is only an opinion...the real telling is yet to come...watch... two weeks from now no one will even remember this silliness.

Butch

I don't see it that way Butch,now granted I am not going to vote for Romney no way,no how...but surely,and the polls bear this out there are a number of REPUBLICAN voters that even this late in the game are undecided about who they will be voting for in their upcoming primary's caucus's....and it is those voters who just might have been swayed in Romney's favor had he been a little less timid here....in either direction.
The bottom line is that one of the main complaints about Romney is that he leaves the individual voter feeling cold,they get no sense of passion from him....well he certainly did nothing,in this instance,to alter that perception,


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RE: Does Mitt Romney Have A Pair.... THIS is where we ... - 3/5/2012 6:53:34 PM   
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Rush Limbaugh- The 'Entertainer' Republicans are AFRAID of...
Shit man every time the Blob puts another appendage in his/their mouths it's like one of those really bad Godzilla movies anymore... Check this out:

Critics call for Mitt Romney to issue a stronger repudiation of Rush Limbaugh’s attack on Georgetown student

By Matt Viser, Globe Staff

COLUMBUS, Ohio – Mitt Romney was criticized this morning for not more forcefully denouncing Rush Limbaugh’s comments that a Georgetown law student was a “slut” for advocating for expanded birth control coverage.

Limbaugh’s comments on the radio last week have triggered a firestorm among both conservatives and liberals and prompted an apology from Limbaugh yesterday. Rick Santorum has called Limbaugh’s comment “absurd,” but qualified his criticism, saying Limbaugh was justified because he is an enterainer. Romney’s response has been more tepid.

“I’ll just say this, which is, it’s not the language I would have used,” Romney said on Friday, while signing autographs after an event in Cleveland. “I’m focusing on the issues that I think are significant in the country today, and that’s why I’m here talking about jobs and Ohio.”

Democrats pounced on Romney on Friday. David Axelrod, a top Obama adviser, tweeted just after Romney’s comment, “Wow. Profiles in Courage.” “Now that’s leadership,” Obama’s deputy campaign manager, Stephanie Cutter, tweeted.

The Democrats continued to criticize Romney today on Sunday talk shows.

“The bottom line is that the leading candidate on the Republican side for president couldn’t even bring himself to call Rush Limbaugh’s comments outrageous and call him out and ask him to apologize,” Demmocratic National Committee chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Shultz, a congresswoman from Florida, said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

“I think the problem is the Republican leaders, Mitt Romney and the other candidates, don’t have the courage to say what they say in quiet, which, they think Rush Limbaugh is a buffoon,” Matthew Dowd, a former top strategist for President George W. Bush, said on ABC News’ “This Week.”

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http://www.boston.com/Boston/politicalintelligence/2012/03/critics-call-for-mitt-romney-issue-stronger-repudiation-rush-limbaugh-attack-georgetown-student/hC2uvJ4H5MCBrGSjwS2sIM/index.html


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Only thing that would make it better was if it were a fucking VOLT



Someone please explain to me why Romney needs to speak for or against Limp Bowel, why I need to speak for or against anyone on the planet or why you need to speak for or against anything I say or do?

WTF has Romney got to do with Limp Bowel?

Seriously....is Romney (Perot/Bush/Ron Paul/Gingrich/Kaptain Kangaroo, etc.) responsible for anything ANYONE else says?

And if they/you or I don't say "that guy's a piece of shit"....does that change what (they/you or I) stand for or believe?

(WTF?????)

Why aren't you asking why Romney (or Paul/Gingrich/Santorum.....ad infinitum) doesn't denounce Putin's election, Achmanidijad (or whatever the fuck his name is) for whatever he said today that was beyond baseless and stupid, why doesn't Romney sound off on the asshole on I-90 on the toll road on Tuesday who flicked his beer can out his window at 3:39 p.m. senselessly, or the dumb shit that hasn't fixed his brakes and is ABOUT to kill someone on I-70 in the Midwest.....

Isn't that Romney's responsibility to denounce as well?

Romney should SAY something about this!!!!!

GET OVER IT.

(Please).

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RE: Does Mitt Romney Have A Pair.... THIS is where we ... - 3/5/2012 6:57:49 PM   
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He could...but to what advantage? It will not change your view of him will it? He said he would not of used the same language and that is a wise move on his part and does separate him from Limbaugh. He should do exactly what he is doing... let the listening public decide if they want to listen to Limbaugh or not.


After thinking it over I agree ... Romney should leave it alone and take his lumps like a man if he makes it to the general election.

It's better in the long run this way/


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RE: Does Mitt Romney Have A Pair.... THIS is where we ... - 3/5/2012 6:59:44 PM   
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Was this a typo (the name)?

If not: Governor Romney should apologize for what, exactly?



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Sorry DaddySatyr not trying to be dense, but I'm genuinely confused by your question. Whose name did I misspell, and what exactly isn't clear??

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RE: Does Mitt Romney Have A Pair.... THIS is where we ... - 3/5/2012 7:05:59 PM   
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Sorry DaddySatyr not trying to be dense, but I'm genuinely confused by your question. Whose name did I misspell, and what exactly isn't clear??


I was asking for what should Governor Romney apologize? He did something to Ms. Fluke, also?



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RE: Does Mitt Romney Have A Pair.... THIS is where we ... - 3/5/2012 7:18:37 PM   
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Someone please explain to me why Romney needs to speak for or against Limp Bowel, why I need to speak for or against anyone on the planet or why you need to speak for or against anything I say or do?

WTF has Romney got to do with Limp Bowel?

Seriously....is Romney (Perot/Bush/Ron Paul/Gingrich/Kaptain Kangaroo, etc.) responsible for anything ANYONE else says?

And if they/you or I don't say "that guy's a piece of shit"....does that change what (they/you or I) stand for or believe?

(WTF?????)

Why aren't you asking why Romney (or Paul/Gingrich/Santorum.....ad infinitum) doesn't denounce Putin's election, Achmanidijad (or whatever the fuck his name is) for whatever he said today that was beyond baseless and stupid, why doesn't Romney sound off on the asshole on I-90 on the toll road on Tuesday who flicked his beer can out his window at 3:39 p.m. senselessly, or the dumb shit that hasn't fixed his brakes and is ABOUT to kill someone on I-70 in the Midwest.....

Isn't that Romney's responsibility to denounce as well?

Romney should SAY something about this!!!!!

GET OVER IT.

(Please).


President Obama called Fluke personally to apologize for the way she was vilified and to ask her if she was okay. He expressed to her that she and her parents should feel proud that as an American she testified before the Congressional hearing and voiced her feelings about the topic of contraception coverage and about the importance of civic participation in a democracy.

Doesn't the Republican candidate's relative silence on the whole thing speak volumes about how he views the Congressional hearing process and how he views women? It does to me. If a presidential candidate cannot defend someone who was participating as a citizen and testifying before a Congressional hearing then they really have no respect for the American constitution and the democratic process. Putin, I-90?? People are asking him to stand up for a woman, an American woman, who was publicly vilified for participating in a public process that is part of our Constitutional democracy. Don't we want a leader who is a defender of our Constitution?

And given what the President already did, by reaching out to Fluke, it makes Romney look even worse as a potential opponent. The President played a very cool hand here - and it makes him look great - defender of the Constitution, defender of democracy, defender of women, defender of daughters, defender of parents of daughters. And Romney. It made him look like the Religious Right have him in their pocket.



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RE: Does Mitt Romney Have A Pair.... THIS is where we ... - 3/5/2012 7:31:08 PM   
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Someone please explain to me why Romney needs to speak for or against Limp Bowel, why I need to speak for or against anyone on the planet or why you need to speak for or against anything I say or do?


After reviewing what republicans are really willing to do to make peace, I think you may be right. I think it's a FAR better solution to start a consumer movement to kick his big fat ass off the airwaves altogether.

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WTF has Romney got to do with Limp Bowel?




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Seriously....is Romney (Perot/Bush/Ron Paul/Gingrich/Kaptain Kangaroo, etc.) responsible for anything ANYONE else says?

And if they/you or I don't say "that guy's a piece of shit"....does that change what (they/you or I) stand for or believe?

(WTF?????)



That's kind of a half-assed way of looking at it. NO ONE is asking for or expects anyone else to take responsibility for Limbaugh's actions. It's a matter of proving that Limbaugh isn't running their show. And you know what? Looks like he is.
Cause there isn't ONE republican apparently who's got the guts to do anything besides hold his hand in front of his mouth and say "he was bad, I hope he stops" cause that's about as tough as the GOP gets anymore. Mad FD used the term Chicken Hawk, he wasn't kiddin.


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Why aren't you asking why Romney (or Paul/Gingrich/Santorum.....ad infinitum) doesn't denounce Putin's election, Achmanidijad (or whatever the fuck his name is) for whatever he said today that was beyond baseless and stupid, why doesn't Romney sound off on the asshole on I-90 on the toll road on Tuesday who flicked his beer can out his window at 3:39 p.m. senselessly, or the dumb shit that hasn't fixed his brakes and is ABOUT to kill someone on I-70 in the Midwest.....


Maybe you might want to take that up with him and them rest of the enfeebled candidate field the republicans are losing money on. Cause see, if he doesn't have the guts to take on the guy who's hijacked your party I KNOW he's too big a pussy to go up against any bullies who can alienate him and re-aim the nukes.



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Isn't that Romney's responsibility to denounce as well?
Romney should SAY something about this!!!!!


See- previous answer

It would be... should he ever make it to the whitehouse... I think cause he's afraid of radio figures, he's probably scared shitless of seeing Putin laughing at him in the international press saying "Look at how capitalist poosy tries to nip at heels"... yeah that'll be great for everybody.


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GET OVER IT.

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RE: Does Mitt Romney Have A Pair.... THIS is where we ... - 3/5/2012 7:32:50 PM   
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Romney could certainly have condemned the misogyny and personal attack without agreeing with Fluke on the merits of the issue





He could...but to what advantage?


For starters, half the voters are women...

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RE: Does Mitt Romney Have A Pair.... THIS is where we ... - 3/5/2012 7:38:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		I get it, now. Governor Romney should apologize for being a Republican to Ms. Fluke ?

I completely understand.

I'm going to go over to that other lifestyle website, call someone an asshat, and when they demand an apology, I'll send them to you to apologize for being a member of CM.

I know what you're saying but I can't follow the logic.

Gov. Romney is doing exactly what he should do; treating Rush Limbaugh as if he is un-important.

Now, let's look at the other side of the coin:

What are the chances that Gov. Romney calls a liberal activist to "have a chat" to ask after her because of her harrowing experience (someone call her names that not nice "out loud words") and that she actually takes the call? Boy! That would certainly embarrass the crap out of him, wouldn't it? You think it's a high percentage phone call for him to make?

There's an expression in football: "When you put the ball in the air, three possibilities can happen and two of 'em ain't good". How many different ways would there be for Gov. Romney to "lose" making that phone call and how many ways are there to win?

Well, I'll give you the one "win" scenario: He calls, they have a nice little chat and she acknowledges and thanks him, publicly for calling. The only response from the left would be: "It's what he should have done, anyway" (so, not actually a "win")

I can think of at least three things that could go wrong with that call.



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